comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 2 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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someones touchy
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m surprised you’ve not suggested that Coutinho would be a good fit for City, Robbing. That’s be a no-brainer for me.
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Yeah possibly. I've not listed City for any tbh but that's more to do with pressing needs of teams and let's face it, City don't really have any!
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Dunno about that.
Silva is 33 years-old and leaves in twelve months. De Bruyne looks more and more injury prone and Gundogan has had his own injury concerns.
Bernardo is obviously there, but Pep will still feel there is a potential weakness in attacking midfield with a couple of not-incredibly-unlikely sidelines. It’s an area of the pitch so important to his teams.
And he doesn’t rest on his laurels; neither do his squad development team. I reckon they’ll be thinking hard about bringing someone like Coutinho or Isco in. I’m not sure they’ll wait for next summer.
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 5 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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I didn't tag Chelsea. You okay babes?
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 6 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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The anger
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 40 seconds ago
havent they already sold players for about a 100m? they got 30 million for their reserve keeper from valencia.
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Didn't actually know they had sold Neto.
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They only signed Neto a couple of weeks back. They sold Cilessen to Valencia.
Oh, and Umtiti is supposedly up for sale, so I don't understand why you included Arthur but not him.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 40 seconds ago
havent they already sold players for about a 100m? they got 30 million for their reserve keeper from valencia.
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Didn't actually know they had sold Neto.
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They only signed Neto a couple of weeks back. They sold Cilessen to Valencia.
Oh, and Umtiti is supposedly up for sale, so I don't understand why you included Arthur but not him.
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Just because I read an article on Umtiti saying he had no intention of leaving.
Im not pretending this is a Barcelona transfer bible.
Good article though Robbing
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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I see where you're coming from with Coutinho. Would have though Foden would get increased minutes but not sure where Klopp wants him to play yet. Might depend on what happens with Sane a bit too.
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
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Im sorry. I'll change the article title to 'Barca fire sale?' instead of 'Barcelona transfer bible'.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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I see where you're coming from with Coutinho. Would have though Foden would get increased minutes but not sure where Klopp wants him to play yet. Might depend on what happens with Sane a bit too.
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Foden hasn’t proven anything yet. Pep has talked him up without actually using him much. Might still end up out of loan this season imo.
"Im not pretending this is a Barcelona transfer bible."
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
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Im sorry. I'll change the article title to 'Barca fire sale?' instead of 'Barcelona transfer bible'.
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Barca Fire Sale?
by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
15 July 2019
Appreciate it.
OP
Can you advise what system you used to decide where these would "best fit"
I'm intrigued to know
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 21 minutes ago
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
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Wouldn't touch Dembele with a barge pole. The guy has a typical attitude de merde. Went on strike to force his transfer to Barca. Been left out of the squad for disciplinary reasons (not showing up cos sick, but failing to inform club about sickness, showing up hours late for training several times), and too many rumours that is all caused by a game addiction.
Besides, don't think his performance at Barca was nearly good enough to be considering him.
I would see the really funny side of it if we bought Nibbles.
It would never happen, mind.
Good article Robbing. Not sure who we need most really. But a good striker hides a multitude of sins elsewhere, think RVP.
5 stars from me, thought and effort in the post.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 56 seconds ago
One problem with such a debt is that the clubs mostly over value their assets. So its amazingly difficult to buy from them. They never reduce their price to sell because that actually 'realizes' their value as a loss on the balance sheet.
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Malcom and Rakitic apparently going reasonably 'cheap' though. Think Malcom would be a good signing for Arsenal.
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You really don't know how much they are asking for those players.
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I should have written "reportedly" instead of "apparently" maybe but what with this being a sports debating site I thought it would be okay.
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No its fair enough but let me explain.
Players are treated as assets. Those assets have a value usually what the club paid for them. They are then depreciated or revalued depending on age, performance etc.
Now if Barca spent £60m on Malcom and they sell him for less Barca make a loss on the player on the balance sheet. That means the club is worth less by the amount they lost on the player. That means the interest rates on that goes up. So Barca cannot sell players for less than they bought them. Now obviously someone like Rakitic has depreciated on the balance sheet so any thing they get for him is a profit. However again that doesn't mean they will sell for a discount. They will try to get the max they can get for him precisely because they want to pay the debt.
So the idea that if a club is in heavy debt they have to sell players cheap is actually the opposite of what happens. Usually clubs that are doing well but don't want the player's salary clogging up FFP tend to sell players cheaply.
If he weren't such a cant, Suarez would be exactly what we need right now. A winner, a goalscorer, experience and a leader.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 56 seconds ago
One problem with such a debt is that the clubs mostly over value their assets. So its amazingly difficult to buy from them. They never reduce their price to sell because that actually 'realizes' their value as a loss on the balance sheet.
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Malcom and Rakitic apparently going reasonably 'cheap' though. Think Malcom would be a good signing for Arsenal.
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You really don't know how much they are asking for those players.
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I should have written "reportedly" instead of "apparently" maybe but what with this being a sports debating site I thought it would be okay.
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No its fair enough but let me explain.
Players are treated as assets. Those assets have a value usually what the club paid for them. They are then depreciated or revalued depending on age, performance etc.
Now if Barca spent £60m on Malcom and they sell him for less Barca make a loss on the player on the balance sheet. That means the club is worth less by the amount they lost on the player. That means the interest rates on that goes up. So Barca cannot sell players for less than they bought them. Now obviously someone like Rakitic has depreciated on the balance sheet so any thing they get for him is a profit. However again that doesn't mean they will sell for a discount. They will try to get the max they can get for him precisely because they want to pay the debt.
So the idea that if a club is in heavy debt they have to sell players cheap is actually the opposite of what happens. Usually clubs that are doing well but don't want the player's salary clogging up FFP tend to sell players cheaply.
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You're not quite right there.
Barca signed Malcom for EUR41m on a five year contract. That contract will amortise linearly over five years as far as FFP is concerned, so his value for the purposes of the discussion is now around EUR33m.
If they were to keep him for the next twelve months, they'd lose another EUR8m or so in the amortisation of his contract, as well as his wages.
If he's on EUR50k per week (I've got no idea what the actual figure is, this is just for argument's sake), they'd be shelling out EUR2.5m in wages, bringing the total cost of keeping him to EUR10.5m as far as the accountants are concerned.
However, if they didn't bring a replacement in (again, just for argument's sake), selling him now for EUR23m would actually leave them better off in the eyes of the FFP rules in twelve months' time.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
If he weren't such a cant, Suarez would be exactly what we need right now. A winner, a goalscorer, experience and a leader.
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You guys hired Moyes & Mourinho...
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 15 hours ago
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
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yeah...your point about Chelsea is on the money (so to speak)...however i think you've evaded the main question
And if you think Utds problems are just in those areas you really are making it up
No I dont think that. I was just explaining why I thought some players on my list would be a good fit for certain teams in my opinion. Because it's an opinion piece there's not really a system or anything really and it is indeed "made up".
Just a thread for a light hearted sports discussion forum.
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posted on 15/7/19
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 2 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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someones touchy
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m surprised you’ve not suggested that Coutinho would be a good fit for City, Robbing. That’s be a no-brainer for me.
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Yeah possibly. I've not listed City for any tbh but that's more to do with pressing needs of teams and let's face it, City don't really have any!
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Dunno about that.
Silva is 33 years-old and leaves in twelve months. De Bruyne looks more and more injury prone and Gundogan has had his own injury concerns.
Bernardo is obviously there, but Pep will still feel there is a potential weakness in attacking midfield with a couple of not-incredibly-unlikely sidelines. It’s an area of the pitch so important to his teams.
And he doesn’t rest on his laurels; neither do his squad development team. I reckon they’ll be thinking hard about bringing someone like Coutinho or Isco in. I’m not sure they’ll wait for next summer.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 5 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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I didn't tag Chelsea. You okay babes?
posted on 15/7/19
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 6 minutes ago
whats this bawlocks doing on the Chelsea board, you havent mentioned any as a fit for Chelsea and you know why. Cheap shot or low intelligence which is it?
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The anger
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 40 seconds ago
havent they already sold players for about a 100m? they got 30 million for their reserve keeper from valencia.
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Didn't actually know they had sold Neto.
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They only signed Neto a couple of weeks back. They sold Cilessen to Valencia.
Oh, and Umtiti is supposedly up for sale, so I don't understand why you included Arthur but not him.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 40 seconds ago
havent they already sold players for about a 100m? they got 30 million for their reserve keeper from valencia.
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Didn't actually know they had sold Neto.
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They only signed Neto a couple of weeks back. They sold Cilessen to Valencia.
Oh, and Umtiti is supposedly up for sale, so I don't understand why you included Arthur but not him.
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Just because I read an article on Umtiti saying he had no intention of leaving.
Im not pretending this is a Barcelona transfer bible.
posted on 15/7/19
Good article though Robbing
posted on 15/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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I see where you're coming from with Coutinho. Would have though Foden would get increased minutes but not sure where Klopp wants him to play yet. Might depend on what happens with Sane a bit too.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
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Im sorry. I'll change the article title to 'Barca fire sale?' instead of 'Barcelona transfer bible'.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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I see where you're coming from with Coutinho. Would have though Foden would get increased minutes but not sure where Klopp wants him to play yet. Might depend on what happens with Sane a bit too.
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Foden hasn’t proven anything yet. Pep has talked him up without actually using him much. Might still end up out of loan this season imo.
posted on 15/7/19
"Im not pretending this is a Barcelona transfer bible."
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
Good article though Robbing
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But not the Barcelona transfer bible we were all hoping it was.
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Im sorry. I'll change the article title to 'Barca fire sale?' instead of 'Barcelona transfer bible'.
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Barca Fire Sale?
by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
15 July 2019
Appreciate it.
posted on 15/7/19
OP
Can you advise what system you used to decide where these would "best fit"
I'm intrigued to know
posted on 15/7/19
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 21 minutes ago
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
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posted on 15/7/19
Wouldn't touch Dembele with a barge pole. The guy has a typical attitude de merde. Went on strike to force his transfer to Barca. Been left out of the squad for disciplinary reasons (not showing up cos sick, but failing to inform club about sickness, showing up hours late for training several times), and too many rumours that is all caused by a game addiction.
Besides, don't think his performance at Barca was nearly good enough to be considering him.
posted on 15/7/19
I would see the really funny side of it if we bought Nibbles.
It would never happen, mind.
posted on 15/7/19
Good article Robbing. Not sure who we need most really. But a good striker hides a multitude of sins elsewhere, think RVP.
5 stars from me, thought and effort in the post.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 56 seconds ago
One problem with such a debt is that the clubs mostly over value their assets. So its amazingly difficult to buy from them. They never reduce their price to sell because that actually 'realizes' their value as a loss on the balance sheet.
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Malcom and Rakitic apparently going reasonably 'cheap' though. Think Malcom would be a good signing for Arsenal.
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You really don't know how much they are asking for those players.
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I should have written "reportedly" instead of "apparently" maybe but what with this being a sports debating site I thought it would be okay.
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No its fair enough but let me explain.
Players are treated as assets. Those assets have a value usually what the club paid for them. They are then depreciated or revalued depending on age, performance etc.
Now if Barca spent £60m on Malcom and they sell him for less Barca make a loss on the player on the balance sheet. That means the club is worth less by the amount they lost on the player. That means the interest rates on that goes up. So Barca cannot sell players for less than they bought them. Now obviously someone like Rakitic has depreciated on the balance sheet so any thing they get for him is a profit. However again that doesn't mean they will sell for a discount. They will try to get the max they can get for him precisely because they want to pay the debt.
So the idea that if a club is in heavy debt they have to sell players cheap is actually the opposite of what happens. Usually clubs that are doing well but don't want the player's salary clogging up FFP tend to sell players cheaply.
posted on 15/7/19
If he weren't such a cant, Suarez would be exactly what we need right now. A winner, a goalscorer, experience and a leader.
posted on 15/7/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 6 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimate objects since 2017 (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 56 seconds ago
One problem with such a debt is that the clubs mostly over value their assets. So its amazingly difficult to buy from them. They never reduce their price to sell because that actually 'realizes' their value as a loss on the balance sheet.
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Malcom and Rakitic apparently going reasonably 'cheap' though. Think Malcom would be a good signing for Arsenal.
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You really don't know how much they are asking for those players.
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I should have written "reportedly" instead of "apparently" maybe but what with this being a sports debating site I thought it would be okay.
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No its fair enough but let me explain.
Players are treated as assets. Those assets have a value usually what the club paid for them. They are then depreciated or revalued depending on age, performance etc.
Now if Barca spent £60m on Malcom and they sell him for less Barca make a loss on the player on the balance sheet. That means the club is worth less by the amount they lost on the player. That means the interest rates on that goes up. So Barca cannot sell players for less than they bought them. Now obviously someone like Rakitic has depreciated on the balance sheet so any thing they get for him is a profit. However again that doesn't mean they will sell for a discount. They will try to get the max they can get for him precisely because they want to pay the debt.
So the idea that if a club is in heavy debt they have to sell players cheap is actually the opposite of what happens. Usually clubs that are doing well but don't want the player's salary clogging up FFP tend to sell players cheaply.
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You're not quite right there.
Barca signed Malcom for EUR41m on a five year contract. That contract will amortise linearly over five years as far as FFP is concerned, so his value for the purposes of the discussion is now around EUR33m.
If they were to keep him for the next twelve months, they'd lose another EUR8m or so in the amortisation of his contract, as well as his wages.
If he's on EUR50k per week (I've got no idea what the actual figure is, this is just for argument's sake), they'd be shelling out EUR2.5m in wages, bringing the total cost of keeping him to EUR10.5m as far as the accountants are concerned.
However, if they didn't bring a replacement in (again, just for argument's sake), selling him now for EUR23m would actually leave them better off in the eyes of the FFP rules in twelve months' time.
posted on 16/7/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 hours, 49 minutes ago
If he weren't such a cant, Suarez would be exactly what we need right now. A winner, a goalscorer, experience and a leader.
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You guys hired Moyes & Mourinho...
posted on 16/7/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - condoning assaults on inanimat... (U6374)
posted 15 hours ago
Hi Sheriff
Yes gladly. It's a complex algorithm for some but you'll see Utd are listed on all midfielders and right sided attackers as I feel they need midfielders and right sided attackers. Furthermore you will notice Chelsea are not listed at all as they are not allowed to sign players due to cheating.
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yeah...your point about Chelsea is on the money (so to speak)...however i think you've evaded the main question
And if you think Utds problems are just in those areas you really are making it up
posted on 16/7/19
No I dont think that. I was just explaining why I thought some players on my list would be a good fit for certain teams in my opinion. Because it's an opinion piece there's not really a system or anything really and it is indeed "made up".
Just a thread for a light hearted sports discussion forum.
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