Like I said with this window and I’m pretty sure I’ll be correct. Levy will dangle the NDombele signing line. Carrot, but reclaim all that money back through sales. We will sell Eriksen, replace him you would hope. Then that will be out lot. Effectively we will be pretty much even from last year with no real improvements.
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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I’m all for the club winning trophies and investing in the playing field properly. Our current owners clearly don’t harbour the same ambition. We have won 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy, go figure. We don’t spend money on the players to push the club forward. I want change and I want a set of owners that are willing to push this club forward in terms of trophies, ENIC clearly are not.
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We've just built a 900miliion stadium ffs. The progression of Spurs since Levy and Enic have taken other has been gradual but there for all to see. You need to be more patient.
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Well I for one think we are very close, we just got to the final of the CL (which no other Spurs team has done in history btw) and smashed our transfer record to try and get to the next step - winning trophies.
Not sure what more you want!?
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It all. 🤷🏾♂️
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This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
No Americans or Arabs please #LevyForLife
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I’m all for the club winning trophies and investing in the playing field properly. Our current owners clearly don’t harbour the same ambition. We have won 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy, go figure. We don’t spend money on the players to push the club forward. I want change and I want a set of owners that are willing to push this club forward in terms of trophies, ENIC clearly are not.
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We've just built a 900miliion stadium ffs. The progression of Spurs since Levy and Enic have taken other has been gradual but there for all to see. You need to be more patient.
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For how many more years/decades?
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Well I for one think we are very close, we just got to the final of the CL (which no other Spurs team has done in history btw) and smashed our transfer record to try and get to the next step - winning trophies.
Not sure what more you want!?
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It all. 🤷🏾♂️
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which takes time.
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This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
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don, you are talking about something you literally know nothing about. what do you think a takeover is? someone pulling a billion out of their back pocket, buying the club, then finding another 500m down the back of the sofa to spend on players?
what kind of simplistic world do you live in?
stepping aside from the financial complications of takeover deals, have you even considered the impact of Financial fair play, which would prevent us from spending like Man City did, or Chelsea did all those years ago?
come on mate... get real
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comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 1 minute ago
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
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I think Ace made it clear that the chances of an arab prince coming in writing off our debt is slim to none, but that said if there was any takeover that would be the one I'm sure we would all go for it.
American owners? No thanks.
With Don however much I don't agree with him I believe he genuinely believes he's right.
With Sizz he just enjoys being the fox in the chicken coop and going against others for the hell of it.
Levy and Poch have delivered a superb stadium, training facilities and regular cl footie. With a few exceptions most clubs would kill for that.
Well much as I love a mass debate.....can’t wait for this bloody transfer window to be over and get back to the football.
FIGHT, The board is in meltdown and the season has not even kicked off yet. Come on fellas, try to be civil to each other. We all support the same club, and obviously we will all have different opinions. Some you agree with some you don`t. No need for throwing about insults to supporters because they happen to disagree.
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FIGHT, The board is in meltdown and the season has not even kicked off yet. Come on fellas, try to be civil to each other. We all support the same club, and obviously we will all have different opinions. Some you agree with some you don`t. No need for throwing about insults to supporters because they happen to disagree.
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Seems there are two camps, those of us who want the very best for our club, and those that are content with safe mediocrity.
It is what it is.
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Ace, you really don’t have to be Peter Jones to know what’s best for the club mate. I know about business, I have my own property investment, so don’t start patronising mate about being clueless about business just because a few us want the club to show a bit of ambition. We are just a bit fed up of being nearly men all the time and some of us are not content with all these nice cup runs that lead to f** all. A lot of this is down to the club not investing properly on the playing field, pretty simple mate.
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Don, I’m not having a pop at you or doubting your business credentials. I’m 39 and have been in business myself for 15 years now, I respect anyone that makes a go of it on their own. What I was saying was, there are some people on this thread that are demanding we sell up without really understanding the nuances of how these things work or the impact it would have on us, or without appreciating what a good job the current owners are actually doing in real terms. Which is why I explained it in more detail above somewhere⬆️
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No, I totally get that mate and appreciate the difference of opinion. I’m just a little bit sick and tired mate of watching Chelsea etc win all these trophies, whilst us Spurs fans see us potless every year. I think it boils down to the club not being sufficient enough in the transfer market and it frustrates the hell out of me.
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Seems there are two camps, those of us who want the very best for our club, and those that are content with safe mediocrity.
It is what it is.
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No, there are those of us that understand football and business, and those that don’t.
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Ace, you really don’t have to be Peter Jones to know what’s best for the club mate. I know about business, I have my own property investment, so don’t start patronising mate about being clueless about business just because a few us want the club to show a bit of ambition. We are just a bit fed up of being nearly men all the time and some of us are not content with all these nice cup runs that lead to f** all. A lot of this is down to the club not investing properly on the playing field, pretty simple mate.
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Don, I’m not having a pop at you or doubting your business credentials. I’m 39 and have been in business myself for 15 years now, I respect anyone that makes a go of it on their own. What I was saying was, there are some people on this thread that are demanding we sell up without really understanding the nuances of how these things work or the impact it would have on us, or without appreciating what a good job the current owners are actually doing in real terms. Which is why I explained it in more detail above somewhere⬆️
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No, I totally get that mate and appreciate the difference of opinion. I’m just a little bit sick and tired mate of watching Chelsea etc win all these trophies, whilst us Spurs fans see us potless every year. I think it boils down to the club not being sufficient enough in the transfer market and it frustrates the hell out of me.
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I am with you re transfers Don. It was obvious at the end of the season, that a pretty big spend and new faces were needed to really push on, and with just a little over three weeks until the start of the season, just one player in. Bit of a joke really, seeing as the club have now gone on tour, don`t see much or anything now happening before the kick off.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sigh.
No ambition.
Bit like our club.
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Couldn’t agree more. Ambition to build a fantastic new stadium and facilities etc , I can’t fault that. But our owners do not have the ambition to take us up a level. They don’t spend enough money on the playing field. Before anyone mentions NDombele, exactly like I predicted Levy is trying to claw all that money back with a fire sale.
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I'll say this Don, my friend, when Daniel Levy wrote his statement on the Club's homepage on the opening day of the Stadium, he did say "Spurs are to become the biggest, or one of the best, Teams in Europe"
That, for me, highlighted the ambition.
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Sigh.
No ambition.
Bit like our club.
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Couldn’t agree more. Ambition to build a fantastic new stadium and facilities etc , I can’t fault that. But our owners do not have the ambition to take us up a level. They don’t spend enough money on the playing field. Before anyone mentions NDombele, exactly like I predicted Levy is trying to claw all that money back with a fire sale.
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I'll say this Don, my friend, when Daniel Levy wrote his statement on the Club's homepage on the opening day of the Stadium, he did say "Spurs are to become the biggest, or one of the best, Teams in Europe"
That, for me, highlighted the ambition.
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Actions speak louder than words.
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comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
how is Spurs spending a billion on a new stadium having no ambition?
You used to spend like prime Liverpool under King Kenny then prioritised building the club as a whole in order to take it to the next level
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Nobody is questioning the ambition in regards to stadium etc, it’s stunning. The stadium is amazing, no issue with that. Some of us are a bit fed up of being nearly men every season and not winning anything. 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy is hardly earth shattering is it? The club should be winning more trophies, but unfortunately the club don’t spend the required money to help with this. This is why some of us are fed up with our current owners.
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You have to have regard to our finances.
We have always sought to operate within our means. In some years we've made large profits, but we have also invested close to £1bn in the clubs infrastructure.
We have a manager who has not panicked in the market place. We would have had targets last summer within our likely limited budget but held fast as we could not get deals done for the right players at the right price. The only club in the major European leagues not to make a signing yet we achieve top 4 and the UCL final. This simply reinforces that we have a superb base to build from.
Looking forward, we have smashed our transfer record again and a re clearly in the market for more.
You cannot talk of a lack of ambition until this window runs it course. In 3 weeks time we might be looking at 3 or 4 quality new signings. We have a settled team that can start the season strong and introduce new signings in to the fray in time - there's no desperate urgency to get players in this week or next week, as long as they come this window. Then we can judge.
As for winning nothing, for sure a lack of massive spending might have limited this but ask yourself.....was REdknapp's massive squad packed with Lennon Bale, VDV, King, Modric etc not better than Portsmouth....was our failure then due to a lack of quality. We had a superb team and massive squad. Failure to win stuff is not always down to the quality of the squad, as that season showed and as Portsmouth & Wigan have since proved. SO ENIC are not soley responsible for this, a contributing factor YES, but managers and players are the ones that have to deliver on the pitch.
Where we have failed under Poch is the lack of real quality in depth....City swept up everything this season because they can put out very strong teams in all cups. We rest Eriksen or a are missing Kane and suddenly there is nothing near the same quality to replace him. I hope these issues are addressed - basically another creative midfielder and to upgrade on the of Trippier, Llorente, Wanyama (done)
How's that a great comment? He summerized Spurs' failure to win anything of a over a decade...
Finally someone's noticed. Appreciate it left booter.
I am not sure if this is such a bad thing for either Chelsea or Tottenham. On one hand, I don't think he spends as much as Abramovich. The Dodgers lead the MLB in payroll and have continuously remain active in the Free Agents/Trade market throughout the year. Maybe the Yankees and Red Sox have a higher payroll than them but it's still quite a feat.
Downside is that if he's backed by a investment firm, then there's short term criteria that has to be met. Really a hit or miss at this point.
Really, I don't think they're as bad as Kroenke/Glazers, I'd say they're more like the folks who own Liverpool.
Freedom, but the difference is this is the guy that has a 20% stake in the Dodgers - whereas FSG are the principle owners of both the Red Sox and Liverpool - so you can’t really compare ownerships.
FSG also got Liverpool for £300m whereas Spurs are valued at nearly £2bn. FSG had the capital to buy them outright whereas it doesn’t appear that Boehly does.
It’d have to be a leveraged buyout, which would likely put the club under even more financial pressure to pay off debts than they currently are.
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Like I said with this window and I’m pretty sure I’ll be correct. Levy will dangle the NDombele signing line. Carrot, but reclaim all that money back through sales. We will sell Eriksen, replace him you would hope. Then that will be out lot. Effectively we will be pretty much even from last year with no real improvements.
posted on 18/7/19
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’m all for the club winning trophies and investing in the playing field properly. Our current owners clearly don’t harbour the same ambition. We have won 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy, go figure. We don’t spend money on the players to push the club forward. I want change and I want a set of owners that are willing to push this club forward in terms of trophies, ENIC clearly are not.
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We've just built a 900miliion stadium ffs. The progression of Spurs since Levy and Enic have taken other has been gradual but there for all to see. You need to be more patient.
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For how many more years/decades?
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Well I for one think we are very close, we just got to the final of the CL (which no other Spurs team has done in history btw) and smashed our transfer record to try and get to the next step - winning trophies.
Not sure what more you want!?
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It all. 🤷🏾♂️
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 1 minute ago
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
posted on 18/7/19
No Americans or Arabs please #LevyForLife
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I’m all for the club winning trophies and investing in the playing field properly. Our current owners clearly don’t harbour the same ambition. We have won 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy, go figure. We don’t spend money on the players to push the club forward. I want change and I want a set of owners that are willing to push this club forward in terms of trophies, ENIC clearly are not.
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We've just built a 900miliion stadium ffs. The progression of Spurs since Levy and Enic have taken other has been gradual but there for all to see. You need to be more patient.
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For how many more years/decades?
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Well I for one think we are very close, we just got to the final of the CL (which no other Spurs team has done in history btw) and smashed our transfer record to try and get to the next step - winning trophies.
Not sure what more you want!?
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It all. 🤷🏾♂️
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which takes time.
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 1 minute ago
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
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don, you are talking about something you literally know nothing about. what do you think a takeover is? someone pulling a billion out of their back pocket, buying the club, then finding another 500m down the back of the sofa to spend on players?
what kind of simplistic world do you live in?
stepping aside from the financial complications of takeover deals, have you even considered the impact of Financial fair play, which would prevent us from spending like Man City did, or Chelsea did all those years ago?
come on mate... get real
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 1 minute ago
This American is the chairman of a an investment firm. Any takeover he would make would be a LEVERAGED BUYOUT. This means that the purchase is made using a combination of equity and debt. Debt which is secured against the cash flow of the business being bought. In this case THFC. Put simply, our club would be used as collateral to leverage the buyout with our revenue used to pay off the debt incurred. Think Glaziers and Man Utd. Not only would the new owner be saddled with the 600m debt of the club, he would be saddling us with the debt incurred by his takeover.
Do you think that would be a good thing for THFC? Yes or no?
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Not really. We are saying we want serious owners to take over and push this club forward. None of us are saying yes let’s get this yank in. It’s a discussion about takeovers, so worth debating as some of us are frustrated with the current regime.
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I think Ace made it clear that the chances of an arab prince coming in writing off our debt is slim to none, but that said if there was any takeover that would be the one I'm sure we would all go for it.
American owners? No thanks.
posted on 18/7/19
With Don however much I don't agree with him I believe he genuinely believes he's right.
With Sizz he just enjoys being the fox in the chicken coop and going against others for the hell of it.
Levy and Poch have delivered a superb stadium, training facilities and regular cl footie. With a few exceptions most clubs would kill for that.
posted on 18/7/19
Well much as I love a mass debate.....can’t wait for this bloody transfer window to be over and get back to the football.
posted on 18/7/19
FIGHT, The board is in meltdown and the season has not even kicked off yet. Come on fellas, try to be civil to each other. We all support the same club, and obviously we will all have different opinions. Some you agree with some you don`t. No need for throwing about insults to supporters because they happen to disagree.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 seconds ago
FIGHT, The board is in meltdown and the season has not even kicked off yet. Come on fellas, try to be civil to each other. We all support the same club, and obviously we will all have different opinions. Some you agree with some you don`t. No need for throwing about insults to supporters because they happen to disagree.
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
Seems there are two camps, those of us who want the very best for our club, and those that are content with safe mediocrity.
It is what it is.
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No, there are those of us that understand football and business, and those that don’t.
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Ace, you really don’t have to be Peter Jones to know what’s best for the club mate. I know about business, I have my own property investment, so don’t start patronising mate about being clueless about business just because a few us want the club to show a bit of ambition. We are just a bit fed up of being nearly men all the time and some of us are not content with all these nice cup runs that lead to f** all. A lot of this is down to the club not investing properly on the playing field, pretty simple mate.
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Don, I’m not having a pop at you or doubting your business credentials. I’m 39 and have been in business myself for 15 years now, I respect anyone that makes a go of it on their own. What I was saying was, there are some people on this thread that are demanding we sell up without really understanding the nuances of how these things work or the impact it would have on us, or without appreciating what a good job the current owners are actually doing in real terms. Which is why I explained it in more detail above somewhere⬆️
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No, I totally get that mate and appreciate the difference of opinion. I’m just a little bit sick and tired mate of watching Chelsea etc win all these trophies, whilst us Spurs fans see us potless every year. I think it boils down to the club not being sufficient enough in the transfer market and it frustrates the hell out of me.
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
Seems there are two camps, those of us who want the very best for our club, and those that are content with safe mediocrity.
It is what it is.
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No, there are those of us that understand football and business, and those that don’t.
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Ace, you really don’t have to be Peter Jones to know what’s best for the club mate. I know about business, I have my own property investment, so don’t start patronising mate about being clueless about business just because a few us want the club to show a bit of ambition. We are just a bit fed up of being nearly men all the time and some of us are not content with all these nice cup runs that lead to f** all. A lot of this is down to the club not investing properly on the playing field, pretty simple mate.
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Don, I’m not having a pop at you or doubting your business credentials. I’m 39 and have been in business myself for 15 years now, I respect anyone that makes a go of it on their own. What I was saying was, there are some people on this thread that are demanding we sell up without really understanding the nuances of how these things work or the impact it would have on us, or without appreciating what a good job the current owners are actually doing in real terms. Which is why I explained it in more detail above somewhere⬆️
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No, I totally get that mate and appreciate the difference of opinion. I’m just a little bit sick and tired mate of watching Chelsea etc win all these trophies, whilst us Spurs fans see us potless every year. I think it boils down to the club not being sufficient enough in the transfer market and it frustrates the hell out of me.
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I am with you re transfers Don. It was obvious at the end of the season, that a pretty big spend and new faces were needed to really push on, and with just a little over three weeks until the start of the season, just one player in. Bit of a joke really, seeing as the club have now gone on tour, don`t see much or anything now happening before the kick off.
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sigh.
No ambition.
Bit like our club.
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Couldn’t agree more. Ambition to build a fantastic new stadium and facilities etc , I can’t fault that. But our owners do not have the ambition to take us up a level. They don’t spend enough money on the playing field. Before anyone mentions NDombele, exactly like I predicted Levy is trying to claw all that money back with a fire sale.
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I'll say this Don, my friend, when Daniel Levy wrote his statement on the Club's homepage on the opening day of the Stadium, he did say "Spurs are to become the biggest, or one of the best, Teams in Europe"
That, for me, highlighted the ambition.
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Eighties Glory Years (U22086)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sigh.
No ambition.
Bit like our club.
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Couldn’t agree more. Ambition to build a fantastic new stadium and facilities etc , I can’t fault that. But our owners do not have the ambition to take us up a level. They don’t spend enough money on the playing field. Before anyone mentions NDombele, exactly like I predicted Levy is trying to claw all that money back with a fire sale.
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I'll say this Don, my friend, when Daniel Levy wrote his statement on the Club's homepage on the opening day of the Stadium, he did say "Spurs are to become the biggest, or one of the best, Teams in Europe"
That, for me, highlighted the ambition.
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Actions speak louder than words.
posted on 18/7/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
how is Spurs spending a billion on a new stadium having no ambition?
You used to spend like prime Liverpool under King Kenny then prioritised building the club as a whole in order to take it to the next level
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Nobody is questioning the ambition in regards to stadium etc, it’s stunning. The stadium is amazing, no issue with that. Some of us are a bit fed up of being nearly men every season and not winning anything. 1 league cup in over 20 years under Levy is hardly earth shattering is it? The club should be winning more trophies, but unfortunately the club don’t spend the required money to help with this. This is why some of us are fed up with our current owners.
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You have to have regard to our finances.
We have always sought to operate within our means. In some years we've made large profits, but we have also invested close to £1bn in the clubs infrastructure.
We have a manager who has not panicked in the market place. We would have had targets last summer within our likely limited budget but held fast as we could not get deals done for the right players at the right price. The only club in the major European leagues not to make a signing yet we achieve top 4 and the UCL final. This simply reinforces that we have a superb base to build from.
Looking forward, we have smashed our transfer record again and a re clearly in the market for more.
You cannot talk of a lack of ambition until this window runs it course. In 3 weeks time we might be looking at 3 or 4 quality new signings. We have a settled team that can start the season strong and introduce new signings in to the fray in time - there's no desperate urgency to get players in this week or next week, as long as they come this window. Then we can judge.
As for winning nothing, for sure a lack of massive spending might have limited this but ask yourself.....was REdknapp's massive squad packed with Lennon Bale, VDV, King, Modric etc not better than Portsmouth....was our failure then due to a lack of quality. We had a superb team and massive squad. Failure to win stuff is not always down to the quality of the squad, as that season showed and as Portsmouth & Wigan have since proved. SO ENIC are not soley responsible for this, a contributing factor YES, but managers and players are the ones that have to deliver on the pitch.
Where we have failed under Poch is the lack of real quality in depth....City swept up everything this season because they can put out very strong teams in all cups. We rest Eriksen or a are missing Kane and suddenly there is nothing near the same quality to replace him. I hope these issues are addressed - basically another creative midfielder and to upgrade on the of Trippier, Llorente, Wanyama (done)
posted on 18/7/19
Great comment Devon
posted on 18/7/19
How's that a great comment? He summerized Spurs' failure to win anything of a over a decade...
posted on 18/7/19
Great comment Maf
posted on 18/7/19
Great flibble Flashy.
posted on 18/7/19
Finally someone's noticed. Appreciate it left booter.
posted on 18/7/19
I am not sure if this is such a bad thing for either Chelsea or Tottenham. On one hand, I don't think he spends as much as Abramovich. The Dodgers lead the MLB in payroll and have continuously remain active in the Free Agents/Trade market throughout the year. Maybe the Yankees and Red Sox have a higher payroll than them but it's still quite a feat.
Downside is that if he's backed by a investment firm, then there's short term criteria that has to be met. Really a hit or miss at this point.
Really, I don't think they're as bad as Kroenke/Glazers, I'd say they're more like the folks who own Liverpool.
posted on 18/7/19
Freedom, but the difference is this is the guy that has a 20% stake in the Dodgers - whereas FSG are the principle owners of both the Red Sox and Liverpool - so you can’t really compare ownerships.
FSG also got Liverpool for £300m whereas Spurs are valued at nearly £2bn. FSG had the capital to buy them outright whereas it doesn’t appear that Boehly does.
It’d have to be a leveraged buyout, which would likely put the club under even more financial pressure to pay off debts than they currently are.
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