comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
"but what it effectively comes down to is the level of hurt felt by the recipient."
How on earth have you come to that conclusion?
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In the end it’s down to the offended party, or parties by extension (ie like racism tends to do). What else is there otherwise? That’s where the insult is aimed, whether racism or anything else. It’s an insult at the end of the day, some more dehumanising than others. All vile.
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
Sorry, can you explain why the comparison stops at how offended the recipient is?
I don't understand that thinking at all.
You think a black player being racially abused by thousands of people in a football stadium, in a game that has highlights screened on TV, only affects the player?
I actually reject the idea that for the man involved, the only consideration here is how offended they are at that moment - but leaving that aside, you can surely see the wider issue with racist abuse that doesn't apply to an insult like the one that Brown has suffered?
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Agreed. It’s actually mental
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
Sorry, can you explain why the comparison stops at how offended the recipient is?
I don't understand that thinking at all.
You think a black player being racially abused by thousands of people in a football stadium, in a game that has highlights screened on TV, only affects the player?
I actually reject the idea that for the man involved, the only consideration here is how offended they are at that moment - but leaving that aside, you can surely see the wider issue with racist abuse that doesn't apply to an insult like the one that Brown has suffered?
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That’s basically what I said winsty, ‘by extension’. It’s insults at the end of the day. Different flavours different motivation, but insults all the same. You could flip it and argue browns insult was deeply personal targeting probably a very upsetting moment in his life, so a pretty damaging and upsetting insult.
Time to move on now.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Indeed, let’s move on.
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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You don’t need to have suffered racism to understand the effects of racism.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Agreed. It’s actually mental
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Has the subject of the Curva Nord even been discussed?
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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You don’t need to have suffered racism to understand the effects of racism.
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So you haven’t..except..
‘It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.’
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Pray tell, Dave.
Baz, Winston isn’t really wrong with that point. He’s saying the only people that cannot understand it are the people that haven’t experienced it, not that you can only understand that point if you’ve experienced it.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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I'd rather not go into it if it's all the same with you.
But as I say, even if you can't see the differences on the individual involved, you have to be an absolute moron to not see the differences between racism and an insult about a dead relative - with respect to MP's comments about the media (not aiming that at you).
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Pray tell, Dave.
Baz, Winston isn’t really wrong with that point. He’s saying the only people that cannot understand it are the people that haven’t experienced it, not that you can only understand that point if you’ve experienced it.
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I know, but that takes the fun out of baiting him
Which is irrelevant to the OP, as Darren and others rightly point out.
..............
We are still going on about it 8 hours later, so it is hardly irrelevant, so Dazza is wrong.
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The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
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The logic breaks down here: ‘A statement from Inter fan group Curva Nord said "Italian fans are not racist" and the abuse was gamesmanship.’
As if because something is gamesmanship it can’t also be racist.
I know, but that takes the fun out of baiting him
....................
There is only one other poster who I can think of that deserves baiting more than Winston, and he is from the dip board.
He suffers form a very similar kind of obnoxiousness.
Even by Barry’s standard that’s bad.
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comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
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The logic breaks down here: ‘A statement from Inter fan group Curva Nord said "Italian fans are not racist" and the abuse was gamesmanship.’
As if because something is gamesmanship it can’t also be racist.
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Which is why I like Barry Finlayson's comment so much. That second last sentence perfectly highlights the extraordinarily ludicrous Curva Nord comments.
Barry has a profound perspicacity in my humble opinion.
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I might be wrong but I think Barry made that same comment on another thread even before the statement in the OP. Perspicacity and prescience in equal measure, if so.
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posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 seconds ago
"but what it effectively comes down to is the level of hurt felt by the recipient."
How on earth have you come to that conclusion?
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In the end it’s down to the offended party, or parties by extension (ie like racism tends to do). What else is there otherwise? That’s where the insult is aimed, whether racism or anything else. It’s an insult at the end of the day, some more dehumanising than others. All vile.
posted on 4/9/19
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
posted on 4/9/19
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
Sorry, can you explain why the comparison stops at how offended the recipient is?
I don't understand that thinking at all.
You think a black player being racially abused by thousands of people in a football stadium, in a game that has highlights screened on TV, only affects the player?
I actually reject the idea that for the man involved, the only consideration here is how offended they are at that moment - but leaving that aside, you can surely see the wider issue with racist abuse that doesn't apply to an insult like the one that Brown has suffered?
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Agreed. It’s actually mental
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
Sorry, can you explain why the comparison stops at how offended the recipient is?
I don't understand that thinking at all.
You think a black player being racially abused by thousands of people in a football stadium, in a game that has highlights screened on TV, only affects the player?
I actually reject the idea that for the man involved, the only consideration here is how offended they are at that moment - but leaving that aside, you can surely see the wider issue with racist abuse that doesn't apply to an insult like the one that Brown has suffered?
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That’s basically what I said winsty, ‘by extension’. It’s insults at the end of the day. Different flavours different motivation, but insults all the same. You could flip it and argue browns insult was deeply personal targeting probably a very upsetting moment in his life, so a pretty damaging and upsetting insult.
Time to move on now.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Indeed, let’s move on.
posted on 4/9/19
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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You don’t need to have suffered racism to understand the effects of racism.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 29 seconds ago
I don’t really understand why this is a discussion.
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Agreed. It’s actually mental
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Has the subject of the Curva Nord even been discussed?
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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You don’t need to have suffered racism to understand the effects of racism.
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So you haven’t..except..
‘It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.’
posted on 4/9/19
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posted on 4/9/19
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posted on 4/9/19
Pray tell, Dave.
Baz, Winston isn’t really wrong with that point. He’s saying the only people that cannot understand it are the people that haven’t experienced it, not that you can only understand that point if you’ve experienced it.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 seconds ago
Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
No, no, no.
Racial insults are not the same. They have a wider effect - both on the individual and on society.
It's only people who haven't suffered racial prejudice, in my experience, who cannot understand this point.
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Have you suffered racism winsty?
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I'd rather not go into it if it's all the same with you.
But as I say, even if you can't see the differences on the individual involved, you have to be an absolute moron to not see the differences between racism and an insult about a dead relative - with respect to MP's comments about the media (not aiming that at you).
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Pray tell, Dave.
Baz, Winston isn’t really wrong with that point. He’s saying the only people that cannot understand it are the people that haven’t experienced it, not that you can only understand that point if you’ve experienced it.
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I know, but that takes the fun out of baiting him
posted on 4/9/19
Ffs
posted on 4/9/19
Which is irrelevant to the OP, as Darren and others rightly point out.
..............
We are still going on about it 8 hours later, so it is hardly irrelevant, so Dazza is wrong.
posted on 4/9/19
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posted on 4/9/19
The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
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The logic breaks down here: ‘A statement from Inter fan group Curva Nord said "Italian fans are not racist" and the abuse was gamesmanship.’
As if because something is gamesmanship it can’t also be racist.
posted on 4/9/19
I know, but that takes the fun out of baiting him
....................
There is only one other poster who I can think of that deserves baiting more than Winston, and he is from the dip board.
He suffers form a very similar kind of obnoxiousness.
posted on 4/9/19
Even by Barry’s standard that’s bad.
posted on 4/9/19
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posted on 4/9/19
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing is, Rangers are trying to catch the cant that said this to Brown. Whereas Inters own fans are excusing what happened to Lukaku
Imagine the horror of moving to a club who won’t even protect you from racism
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The logic breaks down here: ‘A statement from Inter fan group Curva Nord said "Italian fans are not racist" and the abuse was gamesmanship.’
As if because something is gamesmanship it can’t also be racist.
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Which is why I like Barry Finlayson's comment so much. That second last sentence perfectly highlights the extraordinarily ludicrous Curva Nord comments.
Barry has a profound perspicacity in my humble opinion.
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I might be wrong but I think Barry made that same comment on another thread even before the statement in the OP. Perspicacity and prescience in equal measure, if so.
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