Keep your dirty hands off Pochettino. He'd end up spending half his salary on covering the grey hairs he'd get two months into the job
Poor Ole.
Think most predicted United fans would turn on him because he's not up to it at some point but thought the goodwill would have lasted into October at least.
As for Poch, Spurs are in turmoil right now but i put most of that down to not doing enough business over the past 2 seasons and now the contracts running out for key players means that it is also going to be a rebuild job next summer.
Kane is a non-starter, funds at United aren't as free flowing as we imagine them being and they need half a team so they won't be spending 150-200m on one player.
Robb's ole out campaign enters another day
Not until we see how Ole is going to do further into the season.
Maybe we should go all out for Poch, Robb
But not this season.
Because barring a complete implosion, sacking Ole before the term is out would be grossly stupid, damaging and unfair.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
Robb's ole out campaign enters another day
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Tbf the sooner it starts the better it will be in the long run.
What do you really think will happen with the set of players and injuries you have?
Any manager that comes in will want to change it up which means spending money on his targets. Why not give Ole that opportunity?
If Ole wasn't a club legend he'd be sacked as he's clearly not up to it, but he is so you have to stick with him for a while rightly or wrongly
Pockets won't find it easy at United. He'll need time to rebuild, he won't deliver instant improvement, he's not that kind of manager. United need someone like Antonio Conte I think.
Poch will face the same issues all the managers have so far. The expectations of the fans are quite high and its a set up for failure. Ole may not be the one to bring back success but he could be the one to help us recover and set up the next guy to reach success.
At the moment, sacking him would stupidity. The season has started and we were all told to expect ups and downs. If form doesn't improve, yes, go ahead and do so but we need to make sure the next appointment improves on the foundations that have been laid by the current team.
It's not clear at all he isn't up to it. Only six games in, score penalties and we are top 4.Three buys doing well. One good buy in January will get us to the end of the season in good shape. Two good ones in the summer gets us challenging.
Kane would cost us 200m Robb. Get that out your head straight away.
HB Fas- are United fans turning on Ole or are a few fans online doing so?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's not clear at all he isn't up to it. Only six games in, score penalties and we are top 4.Three buys doing well. One good buy in January will get us to the end of the season in good shape. Two good ones in the summer gets us challenging.
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Challenging? I assume you mean for the league and CL? With 3 new players I’d say that’s optimistic.
Personally I think now you have Ole you should give him a fair crack but isn’t the disquiet as much to do with the form at the end of last season as the first 6 games of this?
he guy is a very good manager but is in a bit of a rut at the moment. (Some) Spurs fans are disgruntled. Not necessarily because they think he’s a fraud but more that he’s kinda run his course and perhaps some new blood is needed. He has performed some miracles with Spurs. Taken them to a CL final with zero money spent that summer and reliably gotten them top 4 above sides who have comfortably outspent them.
He may even bring Kane with him which would be incredible and a signing I can imagine the Glazers green lighting as he’s pretty much a guarantee of goals.
If we could get Poch would you guys be up for it? Or should we see it through with Ole till the bitter end?
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No. He is a good manager, however:
1. We have a manager who is just starting out a project, who the club have indicated will get the time to rebuild the team
2. He has achieved the sum total of a CL final in all those years at spurs
3. He can't just "Bring" Kane with him, he would cost too much
4. How much patience will the likes of yourself have with Poch if results don't improve instantly - my guess is a lot, because he is your choice.
4. How much patience will the likes of yourself have with Poch if results don't improve instantly - my guess is a lot, because he is your choice.
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Like with Moyes and Jose but not with LVG or Ole.
I also think the zero money spent last season to reach the CL final is a little over stated. They were in almost as bad a run of form as United towards the end of last season, and this season have started off inconsistently like ourselves, with a better squad
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
HB Fas- are United fans turning on Ole or are a few fans online doing so?
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Probably quite a few online at the moment.
But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins.
Not one United manager has turned it around since the early 90s so safe to say Ole is up schite creek and the inevitable is in the post.
We didn't need to turn it around until six years ago.
"But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins."
Even Jose wasn't jeered out of the club like Arsenal tried doing to Wenger.
OT is generally a positive place and they'll stick it to Woodward and the players before Ole.
At the moment, sacking him would stupidity.
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It would make us a laughing stock.
Tackle the core of the problem in Woodward and Galazer.
United will announce record profits this week. That's what they only care about and excel at. Yet we will continue to fail as a footballing sports club regardless of Ole or even Potch as the football manager.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins."
Even Jose wasn't jeered out of the club like Arsenal tried doing to Wenger.
OT is generally a positive place and they'll stick it to Woodward and the players before Ole.
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I don't doubt it, i just get the feeling Ole has had his peak at United and since Paris it's been downhill.
I see pressure continuing to build and massive pressure on the club will mount because they gave it to a guy with a bang average managerial record. That cannot be escaped so everytime something goes wrong people can and will suggest it's because the guy in charge isn't operating at the same level as the other PL managers.
Eventually that will tell. He could turn the tide back with a good run but better managers than him have failed.
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
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It would suggest to me that putting a worse manager in the same situation won't result in a better outcome.
As is coming to fruition.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
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It would suggest to me that putting a worse manager in the same situation won't result in a better outcome.
As is coming to fruition.
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Of course thats what it would suggest to you
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posted on 24/9/19
Keep your dirty hands off Pochettino. He'd end up spending half his salary on covering the grey hairs he'd get two months into the job
posted on 24/9/19
Poor Ole.
Think most predicted United fans would turn on him because he's not up to it at some point but thought the goodwill would have lasted into October at least.
As for Poch, Spurs are in turmoil right now but i put most of that down to not doing enough business over the past 2 seasons and now the contracts running out for key players means that it is also going to be a rebuild job next summer.
Kane is a non-starter, funds at United aren't as free flowing as we imagine them being and they need half a team so they won't be spending 150-200m on one player.
posted on 24/9/19
Robb's ole out campaign enters another day
posted on 24/9/19
Not until we see how Ole is going to do further into the season.
posted on 24/9/19
Maybe we should go all out for Poch, Robb
But not this season.
Because barring a complete implosion, sacking Ole before the term is out would be grossly stupid, damaging and unfair.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
Robb's ole out campaign enters another day
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Tbf the sooner it starts the better it will be in the long run.
posted on 24/9/19
What do you really think will happen with the set of players and injuries you have?
Any manager that comes in will want to change it up which means spending money on his targets. Why not give Ole that opportunity?
posted on 24/9/19
If Ole wasn't a club legend he'd be sacked as he's clearly not up to it, but he is so you have to stick with him for a while rightly or wrongly
posted on 24/9/19
Pockets won't find it easy at United. He'll need time to rebuild, he won't deliver instant improvement, he's not that kind of manager. United need someone like Antonio Conte I think.
posted on 24/9/19
Poch will face the same issues all the managers have so far. The expectations of the fans are quite high and its a set up for failure. Ole may not be the one to bring back success but he could be the one to help us recover and set up the next guy to reach success.
At the moment, sacking him would stupidity. The season has started and we were all told to expect ups and downs. If form doesn't improve, yes, go ahead and do so but we need to make sure the next appointment improves on the foundations that have been laid by the current team.
posted on 24/9/19
It's not clear at all he isn't up to it. Only six games in, score penalties and we are top 4.Three buys doing well. One good buy in January will get us to the end of the season in good shape. Two good ones in the summer gets us challenging.
posted on 24/9/19
Kane would cost us 200m Robb. Get that out your head straight away.
posted on 24/9/19
HB Fas- are United fans turning on Ole or are a few fans online doing so?
posted on 24/9/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's not clear at all he isn't up to it. Only six games in, score penalties and we are top 4.Three buys doing well. One good buy in January will get us to the end of the season in good shape. Two good ones in the summer gets us challenging.
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Challenging? I assume you mean for the league and CL? With 3 new players I’d say that’s optimistic.
Personally I think now you have Ole you should give him a fair crack but isn’t the disquiet as much to do with the form at the end of last season as the first 6 games of this?
posted on 24/9/19
he guy is a very good manager but is in a bit of a rut at the moment. (Some) Spurs fans are disgruntled. Not necessarily because they think he’s a fraud but more that he’s kinda run his course and perhaps some new blood is needed. He has performed some miracles with Spurs. Taken them to a CL final with zero money spent that summer and reliably gotten them top 4 above sides who have comfortably outspent them.
He may even bring Kane with him which would be incredible and a signing I can imagine the Glazers green lighting as he’s pretty much a guarantee of goals.
If we could get Poch would you guys be up for it? Or should we see it through with Ole till the bitter end?
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No. He is a good manager, however:
1. We have a manager who is just starting out a project, who the club have indicated will get the time to rebuild the team
2. He has achieved the sum total of a CL final in all those years at spurs
3. He can't just "Bring" Kane with him, he would cost too much
4. How much patience will the likes of yourself have with Poch if results don't improve instantly - my guess is a lot, because he is your choice.
posted on 24/9/19
4. How much patience will the likes of yourself have with Poch if results don't improve instantly - my guess is a lot, because he is your choice.
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Like with Moyes and Jose but not with LVG or Ole.
posted on 24/9/19
I also think the zero money spent last season to reach the CL final is a little over stated. They were in almost as bad a run of form as United towards the end of last season, and this season have started off inconsistently like ourselves, with a better squad
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
HB Fas- are United fans turning on Ole or are a few fans online doing so?
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Probably quite a few online at the moment.
But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins.
Not one United manager has turned it around since the early 90s so safe to say Ole is up schite creek and the inevitable is in the post.
posted on 24/9/19
We didn't need to turn it around until six years ago.
posted on 24/9/19
"But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins."
Even Jose wasn't jeered out of the club like Arsenal tried doing to Wenger.
OT is generally a positive place and they'll stick it to Woodward and the players before Ole.
posted on 24/9/19
At the moment, sacking him would stupidity.
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It would make us a laughing stock.
Tackle the core of the problem in Woodward and Galazer.
United will announce record profits this week. That's what they only care about and excel at. Yet we will continue to fail as a footballing sports club regardless of Ole or even Potch as the football manager.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"But we have seen this at United many times in recent years, it's how it begins."
Even Jose wasn't jeered out of the club like Arsenal tried doing to Wenger.
OT is generally a positive place and they'll stick it to Woodward and the players before Ole.
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I don't doubt it, i just get the feeling Ole has had his peak at United and since Paris it's been downhill.
I see pressure continuing to build and massive pressure on the club will mount because they gave it to a guy with a bang average managerial record. That cannot be escaped so everytime something goes wrong people can and will suggest it's because the guy in charge isn't operating at the same level as the other PL managers.
Eventually that will tell. He could turn the tide back with a good run but better managers than him have failed.
posted on 24/9/19
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
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It would suggest to me that putting a worse manager in the same situation won't result in a better outcome.
As is coming to fruition.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
but better managers than him have failed.
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Which would suggest the issues at the club are due to failings outside the managers control
Not too difficult to figure it out
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It would suggest to me that putting a worse manager in the same situation won't result in a better outcome.
As is coming to fruition.
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Of course thats what it would suggest to you
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