comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 18 minutes ago

Take a look at the leaders in other teams.
Salah, Felipe, Mahrez, Gylfi, Grealish, Son, Zaha, Maddison. This is clearly a decent measure of a player’s worth to a team.
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One thing that caught my eye about that list was that it's predominantly made up of attacking players. Not surprising when you read its description that says it "attributes credit to players based on their contribution to the overall probability of their team scoring a goal," but it's a bit misleading when they simply title the list "Best player by team".

There are obvious intangibles in the game that I don't think bare stats, however sophisticated, are all that capable of picking up on - let alone the fact that a full-season sample size of 38 matches or, let's say 80-odd goals, is still relatively small - let alone 7 games.
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Aye but you’ll note the 4 aspects of use of possession used. It also takes into account how much of a liability they are to their team.

I’d be keen to see the breakdown for the whole squad and other teams but it would no doubt cost a fortune for the Opta license. In theory top ball playing CBs shouldn’t be far away although by nature of their position more passes will go sideways than strikers.

van dyke not even the best player in his team never mind in the world lol balon door more like nothing noor

I think he's shown glimpses of his ability but nowhere near enough in games. I didn't watch any of him in the youth set up or on loan so it's hard to give a fair view on his potential although it does sound like his natural position in central where he played for Granada and where Jose wanted to use him (although deeper).

I do think it is also very hard for any player to really show what they can do in this current United side, especially if you're being made to play out of position.

Because he played centrally for our youth teams, for Granada

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He played out wide for Grenada. We had a fifteen minute long youtube clip on here back then showing his highlights

I commented then that not one of the highlights lead to a goal. Not even indirectly.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
Don’t know what you’ve been watching mate. Plenty of energy, aggression and technical ability. Wasted on the RW and without a CF to boot.

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I think we have been to be honest. I'll accept he has a bit of energy, but he just isn't up to the standard of what we are looking for. He put in a decent cross for a goal against Chelsea but apart from that he has been ineffective.

He was also a disaster for me when he played as a DM last season.
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I agree. He isn’t good enough to be a winger here. He is good enough to slot into midfield alongside 2 top players. We can’t be world class in every position and on the bench too.

When our squad is sorted out McT, Garner and Pereira should be the squad options for midfield. 2 good signings in place of Lingard, Mata, Matic and Fred would be alright. This of course doesn’t take into account Pogba will likely be off soon.

From memory he was alright in an ill suited DM role but then got the Jose treatment of being inexplicably dropped for his favourite Matic.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/andreas-pereira-manchester-united-tactical-analysis/amp

He is good enough to slot into midfield alongside 2 top players.

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There is no evidence of this. None, nadda, zip.

If Pereira ever becomes a midfield regular for United I will very happily hold my hand up and be proved wrong.

I think pretty much every fan of every single club on their would disagree with those players

Gwen has been good but Auba has clearly been carrying us this season

comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 8 minutes ago

Aye but you’ll note the 4 aspects of use of possession used. It also takes into account how much of a liability they are to their team.

I’d be keen to see the breakdown for the whole squad and other teams but it would no doubt cost a fortune for the Opta license. In theory top ball playing CBs shouldn’t be far away although by nature of their position more passes will go sideways than strikers.
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I'm not really discussing the metrics used as much as those that aren't, plus the fact that one good or bad pass in a 7-game series and just 9 goals probably boosts you up or drops you down the rankings quite a bit, more so when it's looking at about a dozen players.

On there* would disagree

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago

Because he played centrally for our youth teams, for Granada

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He played out wide for Grenada. We had a fifteen minute long youtube clip on here back then showing his highlights

I commented then that not one of the highlights lead to a goal. Not even indirectly.
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I don't think that he played exclusively on the wing from what I recall. He did get a fer goals and assists too for Grenada.

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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Because he played centrally for our youth teams, for Granada

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He played out wide for Grenada. We had a fifteen minute long youtube clip on here back then showing his highlights

I commented then that not one of the highlights lead to a goal. Not even indirectly.

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Bit odd considering in La Liga he was their joint top goal scorer, led the team in assists and key passes per game....

When our squad is sorted out McT, Garner and Pereira should be the squad options for midfield. 2 good signings in place of Lingard, Mata, Matic and Fred would be alright. This of course doesn’t take into account Pogba will likely be off soon.

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This is the problem, we have too many players who would be regarded as fringe or back ups at other Top clubs. They aren't capable of taking us to the next level.

Fred for £50-60m was supposed to be the man to partner Pogba in a midfield three. However, every time I see Fred now, I don't really see what it was that attracted our 'recruitment team' to him.

I remember Jose said that he signed him because he was Brazilian, therefore he had that piece of skill/trickery in him to make something happen. I am now actually of the opinion that we signed him because of his nationality and not due to any worthwhile scouting.

Now Ole is playing 4-3-2-1 which doesn't really suit anyone in the team.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 5 seconds ago
When our squad is sorted out McT, Garner and Pereira should be the squad options for midfield. 2 good signings in place of Lingard, Mata, Matic and Fred would be alright. This of course doesn’t take into account Pogba will likely be off soon.

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This is the problem, we have too many players who would be regarded as fringe or back ups at other Top clubs. They aren't capable of taking us to the next level.

Fred for £50-60m was supposed to be the man to partner Pogba in a midfield three. However, every time I see Fred now, I don't really see what it was that attracted our 'recruitment team' to him.

I remember Jose said that he signed him because he was Brazilian, therefore he had that piece of skill/trickery in him to make something happen. I am now actually of the opinion that we signed him because of his nationality and not due to any worthwhile scouting.

Now Ole is playing 4-3-2-1 which doesn't really suit anyone in the team.


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He had some very good performances under his belt at CL level prior to the move and City were heavily rumoured to be interested. God knows what happened after he moved.

Bit odd considering in La Liga he was their joint top goal scorer,

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They must have been bad then, with 5 goals.

This of course doesn’t take into account Pogba will likely be off soon.

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Unless Pogba finds some form, he won't be off anywhere.

No one is going to cough up what we would want on his current form, that is for sure.

Now Ole is playing 4-3-2-1 which doesn't really suit anyone in the team.

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4-2-3-1

I think they got relegated didn't they? Or just survived. They were certainly down there. Either way, they were battling relegation and he was one of their best performers that season. I was keeping a fairly close watch on him at the time, as I had high hopes for him. His progress over the last 3 seasons have been the problem for me. Didn't get enough game time at Valencia and has been used in a variety of positions and not played enough at United.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 7 minutes ago

I remember Jose said that he signed him because he was Brazilian, therefore he had that piece of skill/trickery in him to make something happen. I am now actually of the opinion that we signed him because of his nationality and not due to any worthwhile scouting.
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I actually went looking last night to see if I could find out who scouted Fred for us and to see if they were still in a job.

It was most likely Krsto Kilibarda but may have been
Bernard Schuiteman. We still employ both.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 15 minutes ago
Now Ole is playing 4-3-2-1 which doesn't really suit anyone in the team.

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4-2-3-1
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Mea Culpa

Didn't get enough game time at Valencia and has been used in a variety of positions and not played enough at United.

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The issue is, how much more do you play him.

We have had exactly this same issue with Lingard.

There is not one position you can nail him down on with any certainty.

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comment by hippopotamus (U1301)
posted 30 seconds ago

"did not get enough game time" is bad logic.
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It's not bad logic when the lad has already played over 30 top flight games in La Liga and been one the his side's best players. That shows the he has already reached a certain level. He then stagnated over the next 3 seasons, only making another 20 starts in that period, In addition, when he was played, he was asked to play a variety of positions. Not many footballers will develop well under those circumstances.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by hippopotamus (U1301)
posted 30 seconds ago

"did not get enough game time" is bad logic.
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It's not bad logic when the lad has already played over 30 top flight games in La Liga and been one the his side's best players. That shows the he has already reached a certain level. He then stagnated over the next 3 seasons, only making another 20 starts in that period, In addition, when he was played, he was asked to play a variety of positions. Not many footballers will develop well under those circumstances.
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Yeah, those who think he could be a good level footballer think his best position to be CAM/#10 or #8 yet when we've seen him play for Man Utd it has been as a DM or RW in a team full of dross. Not exactly fair.

How would Paul Scholes have faired out had Utd given him his game time as a RB?

As for thinking he has had enough game time.
These are some players with more starts for Utd than Pereira:
Paddy McNair
Buttner
Januzaj
Owen
Kleberson
Chadwick
Darren Ferguson

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