I don’t think it was a penalty either, all the camera angle showed no conclusive evidence to see if the contacts made were enough award the penalty, so no complains from me. but VAR has to be consistent going forward in similar situations.
However, I thought, the yellow card was harsh, t considering, that one of Burnley’s defenders slightly pushed CHO on the back, and at that speed you’ll more likely lose the balance at the slightest contact.
It goes to show that "assume contact" thing is ingrained in players head. That was an incredibly convincing dive.
I agree btw. Came across like pressure to impress Lampard after Pulisic killed it. Glowing reflection of Frank's management.
I thought it was a wise decision from Lampard to rest him. He's coming back from a bad injury and played last week against Newcastle, 90 minutes v Ajax and maybe Frank wants him for Yoonited midweek as well.
I think it's tribute to how well he's done that fans now question him being left out when all's said and done he's still a kid and needs to be protected.
As for his yellow, I thought he was unlucky and had the penalty decision not be overturned I don't think Burnley could have any cause for complaint. At the end of the day there's a clear push in his back and only CHO knows if he could have stayed up or not.
As for the words of Dyche, I lost respect for him years ago after his after match comments following the Barnes assault on Matic at The Bridge and any words he comes out with are hollow to me anyway.
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I don't think it was a penalty but it wasn't a dive either. There was a definite push in the back and travelling at speed and weaving through players. I think we should go back to the days when not all contact in the penalty area is a foul. I also feel VAR is incredibly inconsistent even more so than actual refereeing. Penalties given for nothing - clear penalties not given.
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
ps Dyche = TOTAL KANT
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
ps Dyche = TOTAL KANT
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Dyche was just desperately trying to deflect from the fact that his team got battered senseless for most of the game until the end when our players switched off at 4-0 up.
Everyone is talking about and getting excited about Cho and his potential so of course Dyche trying to claim that Cho is a diver will get some attention. It's definitely a low blow from Dyche and epitomises why he'll never manage a club any bigger than Burnley.
Harle was that worse than calling him a total kant then
Estupendo...as my Spanish friends might say !
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap ..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 5 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
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DA have you ever been moving at pace and then shoved in the back? If so, how easy did you find it to not lose your balance or stumble, i cal tell you from my own personal experience, the very least that will happen is that you will stumble forward, sometimes after that you can keep going sometimes you just fall over, it is impossible not to be affected by the push
I'd have to watch it again but the contact didn't seem nearly bad enough to bring him down. Only he'd know for sure but it definitely wasn't a penalty, if an opposition player went down like that and won a penalty I'd be raging.
To be fair...Willian has been exceptional of late...Frank has got him interested & tracking back, he's suddenly a team player again...I suspect it's because he has a decent amount of genuine ball playing footballers around him again
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
Dyche was just desperately trying to deflect from the fact that his team got battered senseless for most of the game until the end when our players switched off at 4-0 up.
Everyone is talking about and getting excited about Cho and his potential so of course Dyche trying to claim that Cho is a diver will get some attention. It's definitely a low blow from Dyche and epitomises why he'll never manage a club any bigger than Burnley.
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to be fair...he ended by saying we utterly owned his side...& he's at least consistent with the diving thing
Feck Dyce. I'd have more respect for him if he criticised the filthy fouls his players commit Barnes on Matic is still fresh in my mind. CHO was pushed at speed. It's a pen according to the law of football. Where does it say you can place your hands on other players. Anywhere else on the pitch and a foul would be given. Contact should be with body and shoulder nothing else. Games fecked when VAR can't see what happened.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 7 hours, 5 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
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Out of interest Devil, have you seen the video close up from the angle that shows a Burnley's player 'Helping CHO on his way', so to speak?
Like Biggish, I'm struggling to comprehend this opinion that the pundits have been plugging that, yes he was pushed but no it wasn't a penalty.
The two statements share no correlation with each other; never in all the years I've been watching football has it been in the laws of the game to place your hands on someone and push them, as Bov has already said.
It's either, he wasn't pushed and therefore not a penalty OR he was pushed and it was a penalty and there is no grey area as far as I'm concerned. Video evidence shows he was pushed, so therefore there should only be one conclusion.
However it's not the non award of the penalty that irks me about this incident but rather having to watch Dyche tarnish someones reputation in public and be allowed to get away with it.
As far as I'm concerned, having watched CHO over the last two or three years, he's one of the more honest players out there, who will now carry the stigma of being a cheat. In my opinion the football authorities should make Dyche issue a public apology.
However it's not the non award of the penalty that irks me about this incident but rather having to watch Dyche tarnish someones reputation in public and be allowed to get away with it.
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This...i could not give a feck about the pen cause we won
Just watched it again to see if I missed anything. It's still incredibly soft to me. One of those one's that could've been given I guess but if it was reversed I'd be very disappointed. I also don't like seeing the player angle their fall in the refs direction which CHO did, shows he's instinctively looking to win the foul (whether it's legit or not).
Sean Dyche is a spanner, I'm not gunna argue with that. Diving is wrong but potentially career ending tackles are "coming together's". He's an idiot, his opinion is irrelevant.
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posted on 27/10/19
I don’t think it was a penalty either, all the camera angle showed no conclusive evidence to see if the contacts made were enough award the penalty, so no complains from me. but VAR has to be consistent going forward in similar situations.
However, I thought, the yellow card was harsh, t considering, that one of Burnley’s defenders slightly pushed CHO on the back, and at that speed you’ll more likely lose the balance at the slightest contact.
posted on 27/10/19
It goes to show that "assume contact" thing is ingrained in players head. That was an incredibly convincing dive.
I agree btw. Came across like pressure to impress Lampard after Pulisic killed it. Glowing reflection of Frank's management.
posted on 27/10/19
I thought it was a wise decision from Lampard to rest him. He's coming back from a bad injury and played last week against Newcastle, 90 minutes v Ajax and maybe Frank wants him for Yoonited midweek as well.
I think it's tribute to how well he's done that fans now question him being left out when all's said and done he's still a kid and needs to be protected.
As for his yellow, I thought he was unlucky and had the penalty decision not be overturned I don't think Burnley could have any cause for complaint. At the end of the day there's a clear push in his back and only CHO knows if he could have stayed up or not.
As for the words of Dyche, I lost respect for him years ago after his after match comments following the Barnes assault on Matic at The Bridge and any words he comes out with are hollow to me anyway.
posted on 27/10/19
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Abraham
Could become an outstanding front 4
posted on 27/10/19
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posted on 27/10/19
I don't think it was a penalty but it wasn't a dive either. There was a definite push in the back and travelling at speed and weaving through players. I think we should go back to the days when not all contact in the penalty area is a foul. I also feel VAR is incredibly inconsistent even more so than actual refereeing. Penalties given for nothing - clear penalties not given.
posted on 28/10/19
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
ps Dyche = TOTAL KANT
posted on 28/10/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
ps Dyche = TOTAL KANT
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posted on 28/10/19
Dyche was just desperately trying to deflect from the fact that his team got battered senseless for most of the game until the end when our players switched off at 4-0 up.
Everyone is talking about and getting excited about Cho and his potential so of course Dyche trying to claim that Cho is a diver will get some attention. It's definitely a low blow from Dyche and epitomises why he'll never manage a club any bigger than Burnley.
posted on 28/10/19
OOOOOOUCH !.....Superb.
posted on 28/10/19
Harle was that worse than calling him a total kant then
posted on 28/10/19
Estupendo...as my Spanish friends might say !
posted on 28/10/19
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap ..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
posted on 28/10/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 5 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
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DA have you ever been moving at pace and then shoved in the back? If so, how easy did you find it to not lose your balance or stumble, i cal tell you from my own personal experience, the very least that will happen is that you will stumble forward, sometimes after that you can keep going sometimes you just fall over, it is impossible not to be affected by the push
posted on 28/10/19
I'd have to watch it again but the contact didn't seem nearly bad enough to bring him down. Only he'd know for sure but it definitely wasn't a penalty, if an opposition player went down like that and won a penalty I'd be raging.
posted on 28/10/19
To be fair...Willian has been exceptional of late...Frank has got him interested & tracking back, he's suddenly a team player again...I suspect it's because he has a decent amount of genuine ball playing footballers around him again
posted on 28/10/19
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
Dyche was just desperately trying to deflect from the fact that his team got battered senseless for most of the game until the end when our players switched off at 4-0 up.
Everyone is talking about and getting excited about Cho and his potential so of course Dyche trying to claim that Cho is a diver will get some attention. It's definitely a low blow from Dyche and epitomises why he'll never manage a club any bigger than Burnley.
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to be fair...he ended by saying we utterly owned his side...& he's at least consistent with the diving thing
posted on 28/10/19
Feck Dyce. I'd have more respect for him if he criticised the filthy fouls his players commit Barnes on Matic is still fresh in my mind. CHO was pushed at speed. It's a pen according to the law of football. Where does it say you can place your hands on other players. Anywhere else on the pitch and a foul would be given. Contact should be with body and shoulder nothing else. Games fecked when VAR can't see what happened.
posted on 28/10/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 7 hours, 5 minutes ago
For me if you are pushed when on the move at a decent pace its done for one reason...to make you lose your balance...therefore its a clear intentional foul...i don't get how some admit there was a push but then say it was not a penalty....clear penalty for me and no way a yellow card
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If that push was enough to send him down he needs to do some intensive work on his balance in training asap..... it was a dive.
Players have grown so used to going down at the slightest contact it must be a reflex, Burnley players do it all the time to win indirect free kicks (though that's definitely tactical).
Dyche is indeed a kant though. Proven hypocrite.
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Out of interest Devil, have you seen the video close up from the angle that shows a Burnley's player 'Helping CHO on his way', so to speak?
Like Biggish, I'm struggling to comprehend this opinion that the pundits have been plugging that, yes he was pushed but no it wasn't a penalty.
The two statements share no correlation with each other; never in all the years I've been watching football has it been in the laws of the game to place your hands on someone and push them, as Bov has already said.
It's either, he wasn't pushed and therefore not a penalty OR he was pushed and it was a penalty and there is no grey area as far as I'm concerned. Video evidence shows he was pushed, so therefore there should only be one conclusion.
However it's not the non award of the penalty that irks me about this incident but rather having to watch Dyche tarnish someones reputation in public and be allowed to get away with it.
As far as I'm concerned, having watched CHO over the last two or three years, he's one of the more honest players out there, who will now carry the stigma of being a cheat. In my opinion the football authorities should make Dyche issue a public apology.
posted on 28/10/19
However it's not the non award of the penalty that irks me about this incident but rather having to watch Dyche tarnish someones reputation in public and be allowed to get away with it.
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This...i could not give a feck about the pen cause we won
posted on 29/10/19
Just watched it again to see if I missed anything. It's still incredibly soft to me. One of those one's that could've been given I guess but if it was reversed I'd be very disappointed. I also don't like seeing the player angle their fall in the refs direction which CHO did, shows he's instinctively looking to win the foul (whether it's legit or not).
Sean Dyche is a spanner, I'm not gunna argue with that. Diving is wrong but potentially career ending tackles are "coming together's". He's an idiot, his opinion is irrelevant.
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