Yeah but in previous eras when it was more physical we had an abundance of flair players. Quite possibly more than we do now. So I'm not sure that the game going back to being as physical as it was or at least slightly more back in that direction would effect the amount of flair players on show.
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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comment by Superb (U6486)
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They'll just have to avoid hot scalding coffee being passed around during the 90 minutes that the game is played. Can't be that difficult.
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I wouldn't listen to Klopptimus too much Superb. He has to be contrary about anything you say.
If you said grass was green he'd argue it was red - his way of feeling relevant perhaps!
I'm off to put the kettle on now!
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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Yup absolutely laughable. The Sky commentators didn't seem to want to say much about it which is poor from them.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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Yeah, but clearly it's because of the refs, not because of VAR. How hard can it be to spot a handball and make the right call when you have video review in front of you?
The refs know the rules. VAR can't do anything to eliminate incompetent officiating past that point.
You have to wonder what the fack is going on. A 10 year old could pull it off FFS.
My tin foil hat says they are sabotaging VAR. Either that or they are extremely thick.
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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Yeah, but clearly it's because of the refs, not because of VAR. How hard can it be to spot a handball and make the right call when you have video review in front of you?
The refs know the rules. VAR can't do anything to eliminate incompetent officiating past that point.
You have to wonder what the fack is going on. A 10 year old could pull it off FFS.
My tin foil hat says they are sabotaging VAR. Either that or they are extremely thick.
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Yeah I just said that on another thread. Not saying that's the case but how else can you explain something being so shambolic and embarrassing as VAR has been not just today but this season so far. As you say a room of ten year olds would be more competent.
Refs are not taken to task in football like in other sports where decisions have to be explained. In football its the opposite with refs getting extra protection.
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind some of these decisions. Before VAR they could put it down to a mistake. But now, they have a replay in front of them and still can't get anywhere code to 9/10 calls right.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
Not sure about that Superb, if it becomes too physical then i fear it will kill off the Zola's and the Hazard's of this world and at the end of the day, that is who you want to see play, not Ron Harris. But no doubt there has to be an allowance for some contact
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I've just spoken to Chopper, Biggish and he's extremely disappointed that you didn't like watching him!
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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See that wouldn't have been an issue if there was no shady "it must be deliberate" BS.
Just sayin
"VAR is utterly shambolic at present."
I seem to be in the minority when I say that I like VAR. It's not technology's fault that the referees are idiots. They just don't know how to use VAR properly. If anything, we should do away with referees using the system, and just have some kids who know how to manipulate the technology better and faster, and allow them to quickly share the information with the onfield ref as well as the crowd. The crowd would be kept informed, and the facts could be analyzed and relayed much faster.
You can't expect old dinosaurs (like referees) to use new technology and be experts with it immediately. That's not what they are good at (if anything). Hire technology experts to use the technology - and have the onfield referee make the decision based on facts provided to him.
Yeah some good points Blue J2. When I say VAR is shambolic I'm very much including the refs in that. As you say the tec is fine, it's how it's being used that's the issue. Or in this case how badly it's being used.
"VAR is utterly shambolic at present."
I seem to be in the minority when I say that I like VAR. It's not technology's fault that the referees are idiots. They just don't know how to use VAR properly. If anything, we should do away with referees using the system, and just have some kids who know how to manipulate the technology better and faster, and allow them to quickly share the information with the onfield ref as well as the crowd. The crowd would be kept informed, and the facts could be analyzed and relayed much faster.
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Absolutely. VAR is something that'll get better with time. There's nothing wrong with the technology itself, just the way it's being utilized atm.
VAR doesn't really apply to the tec being used though. By definition it means Video Assistant Referee which simply means another referee looking at the incident on video replay.
So VAR being shambolic is completely a judgement on the referees that are making these very poor calls.
the human element is ruining it
I only get that impression when people talk about it interfering with the flow of matches, making the game less entertaining, etc... it's a great tool being poorly utilized.
I agree with Brummie's idea about a 30 sec timer put onto decisions. I also wouldn't be against an appeal system (similar to cricket) where the team get a set number of inquiries & the captain makes the call whether to do so - be a great way to give the captain some actual on-field responsibility, besides symbolic things like keeping the players in line and "looking like he cares".
Well Superb, Looks like Lineker is trying to take credit for my idea on Match of the Day!
And they even spoke about it on Talksport!!
You'll always get the credit for it here Brum
And Southampton 'B' getting the rub of the green with it today.
1st goal should have been a pen down the other end seconds before and if Sheffield Uniteds 'goal' was offside yesterday then so was Salahs today (although for the record I believe both of those 'offside' decisions should never have been given).
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posted on 3/11/19
Yeah but in previous eras when it was more physical we had an abundance of flair players. Quite possibly more than we do now. So I'm not sure that the game going back to being as physical as it was or at least slightly more back in that direction would effect the amount of flair players on show.
posted on 3/11/19
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
posted on 3/11/19
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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It is becoming an utter farce
posted on 3/11/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
They'll just have to avoid hot scalding coffee being passed around during the 90 minutes that the game is played. Can't be that difficult.
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I wouldn't listen to Klopptimus too much Superb. He has to be contrary about anything you say.
If you said grass was green he'd argue it was red - his way of feeling relevant perhaps!
I'm off to put the kettle on now!
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Shut it you
posted on 3/11/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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It is becoming an utter farce
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Yup absolutely laughable. The Sky commentators didn't seem to want to say much about it which is poor from them.
posted on 3/11/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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It is becoming an utter farce
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Yeah, but clearly it's because of the refs, not because of VAR. How hard can it be to spot a handball and make the right call when you have video review in front of you?
The refs know the rules. VAR can't do anything to eliminate incompetent officiating past that point.
You have to wonder what the fack is going on. A 10 year old could pull it off FFS.
My tin foil hat says they are sabotaging VAR. Either that or they are extremely thick.
posted on 3/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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It is becoming an utter farce
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Yeah, but clearly it's because of the refs, not because of VAR. How hard can it be to spot a handball and make the right call when you have video review in front of you?
The refs know the rules. VAR can't do anything to eliminate incompetent officiating past that point.
You have to wonder what the fack is going on. A 10 year old could pull it off FFS.
My tin foil hat says they are sabotaging VAR. Either that or they are extremely thick.
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Yeah I just said that on another thread. Not saying that's the case but how else can you explain something being so shambolic and embarrassing as VAR has been not just today but this season so far. As you say a room of ten year olds would be more competent.
posted on 3/11/19
Refs are not taken to task in football like in other sports where decisions have to be explained. In football its the opposite with refs getting extra protection.
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind some of these decisions. Before VAR they could put it down to a mistake. But now, they have a replay in front of them and still can't get anywhere code to 9/10 calls right.
posted on 3/11/19
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posted on 3/11/19
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 48 minutes ago
Not sure about that Superb, if it becomes too physical then i fear it will kill off the Zola's and the Hazard's of this world and at the end of the day, that is who you want to see play, not Ron Harris. But no doubt there has to be an allowance for some contact
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I've just spoken to Chopper, Biggish and he's extremely disappointed that you didn't like watching him!
posted on 4/11/19
Anyway did anyone see the Dele Alli handball not given by VAR in the Everton v Spurs game ? Dele Alli has his hand raised well above his head in a totally unnatural position. No handball apparently according to VAR.
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See that wouldn't have been an issue if there was no shady "it must be deliberate" BS.
Just sayin
posted on 4/11/19
"VAR is utterly shambolic at present."
I seem to be in the minority when I say that I like VAR. It's not technology's fault that the referees are idiots. They just don't know how to use VAR properly. If anything, we should do away with referees using the system, and just have some kids who know how to manipulate the technology better and faster, and allow them to quickly share the information with the onfield ref as well as the crowd. The crowd would be kept informed, and the facts could be analyzed and relayed much faster.
You can't expect old dinosaurs (like referees) to use new technology and be experts with it immediately. That's not what they are good at (if anything). Hire technology experts to use the technology - and have the onfield referee make the decision based on facts provided to him.
posted on 5/11/19
Yeah some good points Blue J2. When I say VAR is shambolic I'm very much including the refs in that. As you say the tec is fine, it's how it's being used that's the issue. Or in this case how badly it's being used.
posted on 5/11/19
"VAR is utterly shambolic at present."
I seem to be in the minority when I say that I like VAR. It's not technology's fault that the referees are idiots. They just don't know how to use VAR properly. If anything, we should do away with referees using the system, and just have some kids who know how to manipulate the technology better and faster, and allow them to quickly share the information with the onfield ref as well as the crowd. The crowd would be kept informed, and the facts could be analyzed and relayed much faster.
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Absolutely. VAR is something that'll get better with time. There's nothing wrong with the technology itself, just the way it's being utilized atm.
posted on 5/11/19
VAR doesn't really apply to the tec being used though. By definition it means Video Assistant Referee which simply means another referee looking at the incident on video replay.
So VAR being shambolic is completely a judgement on the referees that are making these very poor calls.
posted on 5/11/19
the human element is ruining it
posted on 5/11/19
I only get that impression when people talk about it interfering with the flow of matches, making the game less entertaining, etc... it's a great tool being poorly utilized.
I agree with Brummie's idea about a 30 sec timer put onto decisions. I also wouldn't be against an appeal system (similar to cricket) where the team get a set number of inquiries & the captain makes the call whether to do so - be a great way to give the captain some actual on-field responsibility, besides symbolic things like keeping the players in line and "looking like he cares".
posted on 10/11/19
Well Superb, Looks like Lineker is trying to take credit for my idea on Match of the Day!
posted on 10/11/19
And they even spoke about it on Talksport!!
posted on 10/11/19
You'll always get the credit for it here Brum
posted on 10/11/19
And Southampton 'B' getting the rub of the green with it today.
1st goal should have been a pen down the other end seconds before and if Sheffield Uniteds 'goal' was offside yesterday then so was Salahs today (although for the record I believe both of those 'offside' decisions should never have been given).
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