Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
He's always a bit suspect in European games, tactically one dimensional.
Good managers always seem to have lots of good players
In my opinion, and Magnum and the rest of the Bhoys will be able to speak more to this, his time at Celtic was marked by his ability to get more out of the players that were already at the club but his signings were very hit and miss - arguably more miss. It's why some of the quality of the football petered out a little as time wore on with him.
The first season improvements in Celtic were marked. I think he's repeating that here.
He's clearly a very good manager. The way he talks doesn't help his persona, he defo reads Tony Robbins books on the toliet, but results speak for themselves and he's doen well at every club he has been at.
His teams are good to watch too and he improves players on the training ground.
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posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
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comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
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His record in Europe was poor - the performances were one-dimensional and ineffective
Fair enough, he wasn't great in Europe for Liverpool either. I think that will come with more experience though.
He's a top coach getting every ounce of quality out of the talent he has but..
Tippy-tappy, sideways possession football has a limited shelf life and has been pointed out, his european record is abysmal, not that that concerns him in his current role.
He's more to him than tippy tappy though, he uses posession to pull teams out of shape, similar to what Pep does although not saying he's at that level.
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comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
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Although Ivan has already answered I'll have a go.
His performances and results in Europe were dreadful with a few exceptions.
The football was brilliant in year one and absolutely turgid thereafter.
The squad was badly managed with key players leaving or slipping out of contract.
Kieran Tierney was massively over trained and over played leading to the problems he is having today.
He continued to play favourites (notably Sinclair) for long periods of poor form when he had better options on the bench.
Lennon has reversed all of that in 9 months whilst spending almost nothing. He has taken Rodger's passive possession style and turned it into an entertaining and potent attacking team.
Having said that, Rodgers is still a better coach than most of the overpaid and overrated flops in England.
It's interesting to hear the perspective from Celtic fans. The consensus seems to be that he improves sides quickly and then this slows down. I guess my counter would be that's it's difficult to improve on a treble and, when he left, Celtic were on the verge of another treble. Is this perspective purely down to European form? Something we don't have to worry about at present.
In terms of tippy tappy then I'm happy with this approach if it has a purpose. Claude Puel started this transition (to tippy tappy) with Leicester, but starved the team of creativity and isolated our best player (Vardy). BR's biggest achievement - to date - is probably fixing this even though his initial approach this season resembled Puel-ball. Again we were quite impressed with his flexibility in realising this didn't work and he changed the personnel and formation. A failure to do this is what ultimately got Puel the sack.
Magnum
“Not as good as he thinks he is”
..............
Jesus Christ! Please tell me your binge drinking.😂
He has done a good job at every club he’s been at, probably a rare thing for a manager with his experience at a high level.
Lennon 0 points ahead of Rangers better than Brendan Rodgers who won the treble twice in a row....
Revisionism from the Tims here, they were gutted when he left and even more gutted at who replaced him.
As for Rodgers, a David Brent character that definitely has a limited shelf life at any club because of that.
Possession football is fine as long as there is an end product, Leicester have a speed merchant marksman in Vardy who can run onto a pinged pass so Rodgers style is probably perfect for him.
Too many times at Celtic though we would have 60-70% possession in a match but a big chunk of that the time the ball was in our own half, side, side, side, back, forward, side, side, side etc etc
No denying we did great stuff and I have no axe to grind with the fella any more, but it did get a bit tedious to watch.
Pretty fair summary, Mags.
Can't knock BR's 7 out of 7 domestic trophies, and the impact he had, and the football we played, in his first season at Celtic was superb. Beyond clueless in Europe though (couldn't set up a team to defend against better sides if his life depended on it), and our domestic football just got steadily worse, with the last 12 months just one-paced, turgid sideways passing until the opposition (and crowd) fell asleep.
... And no matter how he tries to justify it, leaving his "boyhood club" mid-season was a rat bassa thing to do. End of.
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Dave..his hands were tied by Pete. When we lost John McGinn the writing was on the wall. Without proper investment he took Celtic as far as he could. Brilliant manager and packed out the stadium.
He's good enough to work out how to get the best out of our players and play to our strengths very quickly. Somethings a lot of us were screaming at Puel for, for 18 months odd...
And look at the results.
bubble ... "Without proper investment"? Think that argument only goes so far TBH. By the time he jumped ship, we had the biggest wage bill in our history (by a long way), and a massively bloated squad containing more than a few utter duds.
BTW, was the McGinn debacle (which it was) before or after BR had tried to leave us for China two summers ago? I think that was a huge factor behind our shambolic recruitment window that summer.
I think that BR has many qualities, and have said so often enough on here ... and he's doing phenomenally well for Leicester, so far. Defensive tactics, coaching or recruitment certainly aren't 3 of his attributes though ... and as a Liverpool "insider" once said, "he has more faces than Big Ben".
According to rival clubs when we had him he was a joke yet now they all want him as their manager
He’s young and yes was a bit arrogant but you need that in football.
He learnt his trade well by touring clubs around Europe watching their training techniques and ideas
You got a good manager there
Good manager, but I don't think he has the style to make his success last at any club. He was absolutely atrocious in his remaining time at Liverpool after Suarez left.
The 6-1 at Stoke
Not simply a question of how good is he?, it is more like ,How well suited is he to or club.? That answer is obvious, he is a great fit.
We have had some good managers and some dreadfull ones over the years.Some just simply havnt been right for us or our style of play.
Everything about Rodgers seems right for the club , players and fans (unlike our previous manager).
He is a great an manager and gives the team and fans confidence and pride.
We wont know how good he is till the end of the season, but at present he appears to be the perfect man for our club.
Never thought we would ever repeat our great season, but who knows.?
We have great owners , a very good manager and a very happy club. We are the envy of many other fans and should count ourselves lucky for the season we are having.
So sick of reading vitriol from bitter Celtic fans, it was obvious they were going to be all over this like a rash. Lennon wasn't even good enough for Bolton, obviously now found his level beyond the wall. One massive difference between us and Celtic is we actually have quality players who are able to play the style of football Brendan wants to play, they didn't.
We keep possession, knock it around at the back, draw players out of position and cut through them when the opportunity is there. It's patient, controlled and incisive and Celtic's players simply didn't posses the ability to do that. The difference in class between us and them is massive. I also suspect Leicester will fair much better in Europe next season than he ever did with Celtic because we're a lot better than Celtic.
As for how good is he? I think it's the perfect fit for him and our players because our players are suited to the style of play he wants, that might not be the case at another club like Arsenal for example where the players aren't so willing to put in a shift. I think we average the fourth highest possession in the league and have the highest number of tackles in the whole of Europe. That is a clear indication of how quickly we win the ball back and how hard we work off the ball.
The structure at the club is obviously top class though and we are extremely well run. The recruitment team are brilliant and continue to unearth gems, yes we had a sticky panic buy phase when we qualified for the CL but other than those few iffy windows it's been absolutely superb. That coupled with the added investment in our academy which is also bearing fruit.
This is a team and a squad, with a few additions, that could well challenge for the league again next season, if not this one should things go a little sideways for Liverpool at some stage, not likely I know but also not impossible either. This side just needs nurturing and a few more quality additions. He will be backed financially and I'm sure he will be excited about the prospects of a serious title challenge next season and Champions League football.
I'm not at all worried about his head being turned by any club right now because the reality is we have far more chance of winning the league before the likes of Spurs, United or Arsenal who are all a country mile away and require full rebuilds.
Brendan also doesn't come out with the David Brent comments he became famous for in the past now either.
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posted on 12/11/19
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
posted on 12/11/19
He's always a bit suspect in European games, tactically one dimensional.
posted on 12/11/19
Good managers always seem to have lots of good players
posted on 12/11/19
In my opinion, and Magnum and the rest of the Bhoys will be able to speak more to this, his time at Celtic was marked by his ability to get more out of the players that were already at the club but his signings were very hit and miss - arguably more miss. It's why some of the quality of the football petered out a little as time wore on with him.
The first season improvements in Celtic were marked. I think he's repeating that here.
posted on 12/11/19
He's clearly a very good manager. The way he talks doesn't help his persona, he defo reads Tony Robbins books on the toliet, but results speak for themselves and he's doen well at every club he has been at.
His teams are good to watch too and he improves players on the training ground.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
posted on 12/11/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
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His record in Europe was poor - the performances were one-dimensional and ineffective
posted on 12/11/19
Fair enough, he wasn't great in Europe for Liverpool either. I think that will come with more experience though.
posted on 12/11/19
He's a top coach getting every ounce of quality out of the talent he has but..
Tippy-tappy, sideways possession football has a limited shelf life and has been pointed out, his european record is abysmal, not that that concerns him in his current role.
posted on 12/11/19
He's more to him than tippy tappy though, he uses posession to pull teams out of shape, similar to what Pep does although not saying he's at that level.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not as good as he thinks he is.
And Neil Lennon has given him an absolute showing up at Celtic.
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How has Lennon shown him up? Rodgers won back to back trebles, hardly coudl have done much better no?
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Although Ivan has already answered I'll have a go.
His performances and results in Europe were dreadful with a few exceptions.
The football was brilliant in year one and absolutely turgid thereafter.
The squad was badly managed with key players leaving or slipping out of contract.
Kieran Tierney was massively over trained and over played leading to the problems he is having today.
He continued to play favourites (notably Sinclair) for long periods of poor form when he had better options on the bench.
Lennon has reversed all of that in 9 months whilst spending almost nothing. He has taken Rodger's passive possession style and turned it into an entertaining and potent attacking team.
Having said that, Rodgers is still a better coach than most of the overpaid and overrated flops in England.
posted on 12/11/19
It's interesting to hear the perspective from Celtic fans. The consensus seems to be that he improves sides quickly and then this slows down. I guess my counter would be that's it's difficult to improve on a treble and, when he left, Celtic were on the verge of another treble. Is this perspective purely down to European form? Something we don't have to worry about at present.
In terms of tippy tappy then I'm happy with this approach if it has a purpose. Claude Puel started this transition (to tippy tappy) with Leicester, but starved the team of creativity and isolated our best player (Vardy). BR's biggest achievement - to date - is probably fixing this even though his initial approach this season resembled Puel-ball. Again we were quite impressed with his flexibility in realising this didn't work and he changed the personnel and formation. A failure to do this is what ultimately got Puel the sack.
posted on 12/11/19
Magnum
“Not as good as he thinks he is”
..............
Jesus Christ! Please tell me your binge drinking.😂
posted on 12/11/19
He has done a good job at every club he’s been at, probably a rare thing for a manager with his experience at a high level.
posted on 12/11/19
Lennon 0 points ahead of Rangers better than Brendan Rodgers who won the treble twice in a row....
Revisionism from the Tims here, they were gutted when he left and even more gutted at who replaced him.
As for Rodgers, a David Brent character that definitely has a limited shelf life at any club because of that.
posted on 12/11/19
Possession football is fine as long as there is an end product, Leicester have a speed merchant marksman in Vardy who can run onto a pinged pass so Rodgers style is probably perfect for him.
Too many times at Celtic though we would have 60-70% possession in a match but a big chunk of that the time the ball was in our own half, side, side, side, back, forward, side, side, side etc etc
No denying we did great stuff and I have no axe to grind with the fella any more, but it did get a bit tedious to watch.
posted on 12/11/19
Pretty fair summary, Mags.
Can't knock BR's 7 out of 7 domestic trophies, and the impact he had, and the football we played, in his first season at Celtic was superb. Beyond clueless in Europe though (couldn't set up a team to defend against better sides if his life depended on it), and our domestic football just got steadily worse, with the last 12 months just one-paced, turgid sideways passing until the opposition (and crowd) fell asleep.
... And no matter how he tries to justify it, leaving his "boyhood club" mid-season was a rat bassa thing to do. End of.
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posted on 12/11/19
Dave..his hands were tied by Pete. When we lost John McGinn the writing was on the wall. Without proper investment he took Celtic as far as he could. Brilliant manager and packed out the stadium.
posted on 12/11/19
He's good enough to work out how to get the best out of our players and play to our strengths very quickly. Somethings a lot of us were screaming at Puel for, for 18 months odd...
And look at the results.
posted on 12/11/19
bubble ... "Without proper investment"? Think that argument only goes so far TBH. By the time he jumped ship, we had the biggest wage bill in our history (by a long way), and a massively bloated squad containing more than a few utter duds.
BTW, was the McGinn debacle (which it was) before or after BR had tried to leave us for China two summers ago? I think that was a huge factor behind our shambolic recruitment window that summer.
I think that BR has many qualities, and have said so often enough on here ... and he's doing phenomenally well for Leicester, so far. Defensive tactics, coaching or recruitment certainly aren't 3 of his attributes though ... and as a Liverpool "insider" once said, "he has more faces than Big Ben".
posted on 12/11/19
According to rival clubs when we had him he was a joke yet now they all want him as their manager
He’s young and yes was a bit arrogant but you need that in football.
He learnt his trade well by touring clubs around Europe watching their training techniques and ideas
You got a good manager there
posted on 12/11/19
Good manager, but I don't think he has the style to make his success last at any club. He was absolutely atrocious in his remaining time at Liverpool after Suarez left.
The 6-1 at Stoke
posted on 12/11/19
Not simply a question of how good is he?, it is more like ,How well suited is he to or club.? That answer is obvious, he is a great fit.
We have had some good managers and some dreadfull ones over the years.Some just simply havnt been right for us or our style of play.
Everything about Rodgers seems right for the club , players and fans (unlike our previous manager).
He is a great an manager and gives the team and fans confidence and pride.
We wont know how good he is till the end of the season, but at present he appears to be the perfect man for our club.
Never thought we would ever repeat our great season, but who knows.?
We have great owners , a very good manager and a very happy club. We are the envy of many other fans and should count ourselves lucky for the season we are having.
posted on 12/11/19
So sick of reading vitriol from bitter Celtic fans, it was obvious they were going to be all over this like a rash. Lennon wasn't even good enough for Bolton, obviously now found his level beyond the wall. One massive difference between us and Celtic is we actually have quality players who are able to play the style of football Brendan wants to play, they didn't.
We keep possession, knock it around at the back, draw players out of position and cut through them when the opportunity is there. It's patient, controlled and incisive and Celtic's players simply didn't posses the ability to do that. The difference in class between us and them is massive. I also suspect Leicester will fair much better in Europe next season than he ever did with Celtic because we're a lot better than Celtic.
As for how good is he? I think it's the perfect fit for him and our players because our players are suited to the style of play he wants, that might not be the case at another club like Arsenal for example where the players aren't so willing to put in a shift. I think we average the fourth highest possession in the league and have the highest number of tackles in the whole of Europe. That is a clear indication of how quickly we win the ball back and how hard we work off the ball.
The structure at the club is obviously top class though and we are extremely well run. The recruitment team are brilliant and continue to unearth gems, yes we had a sticky panic buy phase when we qualified for the CL but other than those few iffy windows it's been absolutely superb. That coupled with the added investment in our academy which is also bearing fruit.
This is a team and a squad, with a few additions, that could well challenge for the league again next season, if not this one should things go a little sideways for Liverpool at some stage, not likely I know but also not impossible either. This side just needs nurturing and a few more quality additions. He will be backed financially and I'm sure he will be excited about the prospects of a serious title challenge next season and Champions League football.
I'm not at all worried about his head being turned by any club right now because the reality is we have far more chance of winning the league before the likes of Spurs, United or Arsenal who are all a country mile away and require full rebuilds.
Brendan also doesn't come out with the David Brent comments he became famous for in the past now either.
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