It is meant to be the immediate phase, so in your scenario it shouldnt be ruled out.
They define an immediate phase as a period of play wherein the defence can not regain position, so as soon as the ball is played back to the defender and then keeper.

But Chelsea had one earlier in the season that caused a lot of debate during to how long after the offside a goal was scored.

It should just be the attacking phase directly leading to the goal. If for example the defending team gains control of the ball, the attacking phase has ended, or just simply the subjective feeling of the referee if the move was too far back.

The Villa one was ridiculous. Wesley wasn't even offside and it was a different phase of play. And I was cheering for Burnley

And that's coming from a big offside fan

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comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 29 seconds ago
The other messed up decision was during:

Real Madrid 2-2 PSG in this seasons champions league

Marcelo went up for a header in the middle of the pitch against a PSG player, it bounced to verratti who slipped Mbappe through on goal

Courtois came out and fouled Mbappe and received a RED CARD and a penalty was awarded to PSG

VAR came into.play after that and brought the play back for a nudge in the middle of the pitch during the header battle earlier

Facking mental
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If there was a foul then that is VAR working well. I don't see the problem here.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
It is meant to be the immediate phase, so in your scenario it shouldnt be ruled out.
They define an immediate phase as a period of play wherein the defence can not regain position, so as soon as the ball is played back to the defender and then keeper.
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Interesting. Still quite subjective I'd argue.

This weekend will spark even more VAR controversy as the Premier league teams playing at home will get VAR, whereas the premier league teams playing away at lower league opponents, wont get VAR. A home premier league team will get fobbed off by the earlobe offside, whereas a rival side playing away will get away with one being a yard offside.

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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 29 seconds ago
The other messed up decision was during:

Real Madrid 2-2 PSG in this seasons champions league

Marcelo went up for a header in the middle of the pitch against a PSG player, it bounced to verratti who slipped Mbappe through on goal

Courtois came out and fouled Mbappe and received a RED CARD and a penalty was awarded to PSG

VAR came into.play after that and brought the play back for a nudge in the middle of the pitch during the header battle earlier

Facking mental
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If there was a foul then that is VAR working well. I don't see the problem here.
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What if Courtois had two footed Mbappe and injured him so badly he had to be subbed off? Would you still say the red card should be taken away if VAR saw the earlier foul and pulled it all back?

comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 29 seconds ago
The other messed up decision was during:

Real Madrid 2-2 PSG in this seasons champions league

Marcelo went up for a header in the middle of the pitch against a PSG player, it bounced to verratti who slipped Mbappe through on goal

Courtois came out and fouled Mbappe and received a RED CARD and a penalty was awarded to PSG

VAR came into.play after that and brought the play back for a nudge in the middle of the pitch during the header battle earlier

Facking mental
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If there was a foul then that is VAR working well. I don't see the problem here.
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In which case there is absolutely no requirement for a referee on the pitch anymore

The referee didnt see or think there was a foul involved


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That's the whole point of VAR. You still need the referee.

comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 29 seconds ago
The other messed up decision was during:

Real Madrid 2-2 PSG in this seasons champions league

Marcelo went up for a header in the middle of the pitch against a PSG player, it bounced to verratti who slipped Mbappe through on goal

Courtois came out and fouled Mbappe and received a RED CARD and a penalty was awarded to PSG

VAR came into.play after that and brought the play back for a nudge in the middle of the pitch during the header battle earlier

Facking mental
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If there was a foul then that is VAR working well. I don't see the problem here.
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What if Courtois had two footed Mbappe and injured him so badly he had to be subbed off? Would you still say the red card should be taken away if VAR saw the earlier foul and pulled it all back?
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Yes it should still be pulled back for the first infringement. I'm not sure if further action can be taken on the issue that occurred after.

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comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sem (U9729)
posted 29 seconds ago
The other messed up decision was during:

Real Madrid 2-2 PSG in this seasons champions league

Marcelo went up for a header in the middle of the pitch against a PSG player, it bounced to verratti who slipped Mbappe through on goal

Courtois came out and fouled Mbappe and received a RED CARD and a penalty was awarded to PSG

VAR came into.play after that and brought the play back for a nudge in the middle of the pitch during the header battle earlier

Facking mental
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If there was a foul then that is VAR working well. I don't see the problem here.
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In which case there is absolutely no requirement for a referee on the pitch anymore

The referee didnt see or think there was a foul involved


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That's the whole point of VAR. You still need the referee.
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You're not getting my point

I agree with that last comment of yours in regards to what should be the case

but with the way it has been implemented, it really doesnt need a referee at the minute

The best thing they could do is get the refs to go view the incident for themselves and they make a decision
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It does need a referee. Only potential errors are highlighted to the referee. He still has to referee the game. How do you suppose VAR blows the whistle, splits players up, tells them to keep the correct distance from the freekick, makes the easy decisions quickly and generally communicates with the players?

But yes, I agree referees should be allowed to use the screens to view incidents themselves. Unfortunately the PL told them not to do it.

“So did Wesley being offside really effect anything?”

Ultimately, that’s the key question they should be asking for every scenario and the implementation of VAR in general. Other countries haven’t gone to the lengths of zooming in to check lines as their reasoning is that if an offside can’t be seen quickly on a replay or within a certain time frame, then it can’t really be blamed for effecting anything. The root cause of the goal in those cases is more either good attacking or poor defending, rather than the attacker gaining a pivotal advantage from it.

The field referee should be in total control of the game at all times. If he does not refer to VAR then so be it.
He can be advised that VAR has some result or the other, but if he wants to ignore it, he can.

Otherwise this VAR crap will, and in fact is, getting out of hand, holding up the flow of the game, and leading to idiotic senseless decisions where some irrelevant foul leads to a play elsewhere being called back.

This PSG game seems to be a point in favor of taking power back from VAR and handing it to the field referee.

Indeed, those viewing VAR can also make mistakes. VAR is not infallible because human viewers are in the loop.

I would be in favor of limiting the use of VAR to goal line decisions and penalty decisions. A field referee always has the option of referring to VAR if he wishes, but he does not have to.

I thought VAR use would simply be another referee having the same angles as those who watch from home on their TV.

Basically replays of an incident or offside and taking judgement from it. But UK has to go against the grain and take it another step by going into the mm details that really nobody wants.

We don't do that same for when the ball left the assisters foot either for 100% accuracy. Just silly now giving it for such fine margins when its not guaranteed to be correct anyway.

I think we need to just live with VAR and its current format this season. It aint going away. All of the marginal decisions will go in favour of the defenders. A change of rule is needed for next season, when it has to be clear daylight between defender and attacker, that would finalise it once and for all.

Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!

comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!
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Totally and utterly irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.
I dont care if Gazzaniga was offside!
Get lost if you can't contribute relevantly.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 day ago
“So did Wesley being offside really effect anything?”

Ultimately, that’s the key question they should be asking for every scenario and the implementation of VAR in general. Other countries haven’t gone to the lengths of zooming in to check lines as their reasoning is that if an offside can’t be seen quickly on a replay or within a certain time frame, then it can’t really be blamed for effecting anything. The root cause of the goal in those cases is more either good attacking or poor defending, rather than the attacker gaining a pivotal advantage from it.
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Did the Wolves player's handball effect anything? It was going in anyway. Yet no outrage. The rules says you can't do it, just like they say you can't be offside. This isn't a VAR issue but a law issue, if an issue at all.

comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 18 hours ago
The field referee should be in total control of the game at all times. If he does not refer to VAR then so be it.
He can be advised that VAR has some result or the other, but if he wants to ignore it, he can.

Otherwise this VAR crap will, and in fact is, getting out of hand, holding up the flow of the game, and leading to idiotic senseless decisions where some irrelevant foul leads to a play elsewhere being called back.

This PSG game seems to be a point in favor of taking power back from VAR and handing it to the field referee.

Indeed, those viewing VAR can also make mistakes. VAR is not infallible because human viewers are in the loop.

I would be in favor of limiting the use of VAR to goal line decisions and penalty decisions. A field referee always has the option of referring to VAR if he wishes, but he does not have to.

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Once again the referee is in total control. If the VAR believes he has made an error, they highlight it. He then makes his decision. He should be able to check the monitor however.

comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
Sorry, but Harry Kane was definitely offside!
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Totally and utterly irrelevant to the ongoing discussion.
I dont care if Gazzaniga was offside!
Get lost if you can't contribute relevantly.
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Just,
You have as much self-control as Jose! Pressure seems to be getting to you, you cretin!