Well said

As an outsider it’s hard to actually make a proper assessment of Ole, because even though your squad has had a boat load of money spent on it, when you actually look at the overall quality of the squad objectively it’s not that great. Plus the injuries as well.

The fact he’s still challenging for 4th given that situation makes me wonder how he could do if given time to build a strong squad (this would obviously also require an improvement in your recruitment).

I don’t think he’s as bad as lot of United fans make out but I also wouldn't be confident in saying he’s the right man to bring you back to the top.

Agree with pretty much all that VC.
Because I didn't want him sacked after four games everyone thinks I'm Ole in. When actually I just want him to have a fair shot at it.
If he isn't good enough of course he has to go.
I don't think he's helped by Phelan.

Good read.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Agree with pretty much all that VC.
Because I didn't want him sacked after four games everyone thinks I'm Ole in. When actually I just want him to have a fair shot at it.
If he isn't good enough of course he has to go.
I don't think he's helped by Phelan.
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What has Phelan done wrong? Surely he must be good at his job considering Fergie had him working for him?

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I put a link up earlier on another thread to your prediction thread from early August.

Quite why people are surprised at us being 5th is really strange as that is where most posters thought we would finish back then.

'There is little point sacking him now. I really don't think anyone will do much better with the state of our squad and that goes for Poch.'

Try telling that to some folks.

I've also raised this point in the past. The overall squad depth quality has been poor. The main clueless one is often sat in the stands during match days looking glum faced, when he is one of the biggest issues affecting the direction this club has been heading.

Because often our football reflected the assistant under Fergie.
McClaren =attacking home or away.
Queiroz=more considered, better balanced
Phelan :more defensive and turgid, less good to watch.
Just examples. I thought the worst was the last, the Dutch guy whose name I can't remember.

I saw it VC. I've always been pleased with my predictions but this was not my best effort, especially Spurs!
But I don't think I'll be too far off with United.

The main clueless one is often sat in the stands during match days looking glum faced, when he is one of the biggest issues affecting the direction this club has been heading.

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You are not wrong there. I don't think we will ever progress as a club until he is removed form making any decision related to football.

There is very little he has got right on the football side of things since he took over from Gill.

Ed and the Glazers are just too cosy with each other. We can't wish to only eliminate one and not the other. Because the Glazers will not remove Ed from the footballing side of things because we are still making a lot of money, and he's one of best in the business. We have become a victim of our own past successes.

Due to the value of this club, we're obviously still going to cost a fair amount of money to be bought out. So that could potentially reduce the amount of potentially viable owners elsewhere in terms of realistic buyers. Nobody wants to be run by a potentially dodgy owner who's had a lifestyle of dodgy happenings to say the least.

This is why the Glazer's are currently in a fortunate position to take more advantages over our club than fans appreciate. They know they hold all of the cards. Business is business - we all get that, but protecting your assets with due care is also the utmost important, if you wish to remain financially suited (though it's not in the mindsets of fans). It has to be a balanced Ying and Yang.

Pretty spot on. But I’d say I’m not sure what influence Ole can have on this window. With 18/19 games throughout December and January and our horrendous injury list, I’d guess Ole has his hands full with medical reports, press conferences every 5 minutes, prepping for the next game, banging his head against the wall every time Lingard turns up.........

One of Ole's very early comments I feel is wrong and this may be why Ed isn't finding targets or getting deals done.

It is the one about mainly wanting to build with British hungry young talent that want to play for the club.

I don't know if he has ever clarified this remark.

If the board won't (or more likely, are simply too incompetent to) back Ole in this window - when we desperately need at least one player (in midfield especially), then I don't see much point in retaining Ole if results fluctuate as they have been.

We saw the same thing with Mourinho - a failure to back him in the market, despite giving him a contract extension.

What we should be doing is supporting him in this window and the next and allow him to at the very least improve the composition of the playing squad. If he does that - and I think Ole can do that - then at the very least a new manager has a better and more balanced squad to work with.

So much rides on Ed's ability to recruit well, which is a major problem we have at the moment.

I personally have no faith in Ed helping the club have a relatively admirable January window.

We also have a lot on our plate right now, and we are looking in murky waters as to which types of players genuinely want to come play for our badge first, money second.

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Agree with pretty much all that VC.
Because I didn't want him sacked after four games everyone thinks I'm Ole in. When actually I just want him to have a fair shot at it.
If he isn't good enough of course he has to go.
I don't think he's helped by Phelan.
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What has Phelan done wrong? Surely he must be good at his job considering Fergie had him working for him?
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it never works like that in life, in management in a team. He could be the best in the world but doesnt mean he doesnt need the tools to be the best he can. Fergie could have provided him with everything he needed, where as OGS doesnt and it can also be nobodies fault just the way she goes, the way she goes.

Too many people blame him for the awful football we frequently serve up, forgetting we’ve been serving it up for years now

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
One of Ole's very early comments I feel is wrong and this may be why Ed isn't finding targets or getting deals done.

It is the one about mainly wanting to build with British hungry young talent that want to play for the club.

I don't know if he has ever clarified this remark.
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This is what I don’t understand. It seems like Ole has just picked one or two targets which he wants, no 3rd 4th or 5th option, and if that player isn’t available or selling club is asking too much, then what. There’s talk about no value and then going for British players that are notorious for being way overpriced anyway. So it’s lose lose really.

If we have as reports say hundreds of scouts all over the world, what exactly are they doing when it appears the management want British players. Such a poorly run club.

I'd say that's pretty much my position as well. We're simply not been good enough from top to bottom. We don't have a genius in charge to guide us through troubled waters either so it'll need a collective improvement.

Well done OP. Summed it up well.

My question is why has ole gotten so much more leeway from the fans than Mourinho got? Things got far worse under ole at times this season and towards the end of last season than they ever did under Mourinho. Yet so many Man Utd fans have refused to blame ole and have shifted the blame onto Ed Woodward, the same Man Utd fans that relentlessly hounded Mourinho after a couple of months in charge and who jumped on his back and hounded him repeatedly during his third season. Clearly there is massive double standard here.

To answer your question Wahl, it's because non of us like Jose, or his brand of football, or his moaning, or his blaming everyone but himself.

So it's a personal thing? I thought so, glad to finally have it confirmed.

If you supported Mourinho half as well as you've supported Ole though and not jumped on his back and hounded him at the first sign of trouble and shown him even just 1% of the understanding and patience you're showing Ole, you'd probably be doing a hell of a lot better right now though.

Did you decide just to ignore the style of play thing?
Incidentally Wahl, you are a fool. Go and support him at Spurs instead of putting spurious articles on here.

* comments, not articles.