comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
Some people are as bad as the media. He just hit two record point totals in the league, won every domestic trophy last season and one bad season and he's a fraud. Normally with the points they have this season they'd be fighting for first but it's not normal that the team in first have twenty wins and a draw from their first twenty-one games.
Yes he needs the money to play in the style he likes but it's certainly plausible that of he didnt have that money to spend, he would adapt his style to the players he has.
The decision to not replace Kompany, further complicated with Laporte getting injured has ultimately been their downfall. They are still dominating games and scoring goals, however they're now conceding stupid goals also.
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Good Post, plus teams evolve and can drop off for a year while trying to replace players or assimilate new ones, and that's likely harder when you play like pep does.
people need to realise that city's tally of 15-3-5 is not actually bad. its maybe a couple losses too many but it's pretty decent.
the past 3 season have had teams doing the unbelievable, let's not get carried away like that is normal
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 40 seconds ago
people need to realise that city's tally of 15-3-5 is not actually bad. its maybe a couple losses too many but it's pretty decent.
the past 3 season have had teams doing the unbelievable, let's not get carried away like that is normal
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Good point, it's been deemed in some quarters that the league is weak but the reality is what City have done, and us last and this season is abnormal
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Some people are as bad as the media. He just hit two record point totals in the league, won every domestic trophy last season and one bad season and he's a fraud. Normally with the points they have this season they'd be fighting for first but it's not normal that the team in first have twenty wins and a draw from their first twenty-one games.
Yes he needs the money to play in the style he likes but it's certainly plausible that of he didnt have that money to spend, he would adapt his style to the players he has.
The decision to not replace Kompany, further complicated with Laporte getting injured has ultimately been their downfall. They are still dominating games and scoring goals, however they're now conceding stupid goals also.
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Good summarising from you TOOR.
He is a top coach and improves players unlike some managers. Wilder and Bielsa are the same.
Every manager needs a certain type of player to play their style.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 8 minutes ago
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
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You really haven’t watched us much if you think that.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Yeah that's true Melton, it's horses for courses I guess.
I don't buy into the idea that pep can only do it with money, he's been at clubs who have money to back him because he's a top manager. Any manager will spend given the chance to.
I'd love to see him at a smaller club just to see how it went and what he would do with a less talented squad, but then why would he when any top club would have him in a heart beat.
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 13 minutes ago
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
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We're clearly not a long ball team, but also I don't see the problem with playing that way when you either have to mix it up as you say klopp does, or the squad is suited to it.
It's just some dopes trying to make themselves feel better t bone, some folk can't handle seeing another team do well, they spend more time hating on another team than enjoying their own, which is weird
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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Can u honestly see him making hendo and Robertson play like the way they are now. Totally agree with the type of players he needs
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But Pep doesnt play long ball football, how can he make use of Hendo? I dont get this, must Pep be apologetic that his style of football requires skilled footballers who can control a football in tight spaces and therefore must work with talented players?
I mean does Liverpool not have world class players? Last time I check you have more players in the European awards than City.
Some lazy arguments
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Nobody says he has to be apologetic. Just pointing out facts.
Its OK that Pep needs specialist players whereas Klopp can adapt and work with just about any kind of player.
Liverpool players appearing in the European awards would not have been anywhere near those awards when Klopp signed them. Klopp has turned players that were ridiculed into world class players.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
Melton hit it on the head that Pep is more famous for his style of football and the way his teams than the trophies he has won. If anything he has under achieved with the teams he has had but you cant take away the breatless football he has provided over the years.
He takes risks that most managers wont take. Thats precisely EXACTLY what people love about Klopp.
Obviously he has had to change a few things to win trophies but its essentially his desire to play high intensity football that got him his admirers.
People will talk about his ability to work on a tighter budget but thats not the real remit of a manager.Its to make use of the players he has and improve them
Not so long ago Klopp was the butt of jokes for his finals record but nobody ever gave him credit for reaching the finals. Beause the narrative was different.
I must say other than GB and your usual idiots, Liverpool fans probably recognise Peps greatness more than most fans.
comment by Coutinho's Merkin (U22212)
posted 46 minutes ago
He’s a modern day Mourinho. Will throw his toys out the pram and bugga off to the next oil rich club
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Nah. He will Bunga Bunga off to the next oil rich club
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
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Sakho, Benteke, Karius, Moreno etc
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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The overall net spend is very low for the position we are in but I mean we broke two records in a six month period signing Allison and Virg, no denying that we've spent big, but there is a direct correlation between spending money and doing well, also wages are a massive factor, we started being competitive in terms of wages with other top clubs and we can then attract top players, its all relevant.
Lovren, Keita, even Hendo is still up and down.
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
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Berbatov and ozil immediately spring to mind
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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No but we also sold.out bestboksyer on sterling the season before and Suarez the season before. FACT. We had to sell out best to become the best. But that has now changed.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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The overall net spend is very low for the position we are in but I mean we broke two records in a six month period signing Allison and Virg, no denying that we've spent big, but there is a direct correlation between spending money and doing well, also wages are a massive factor, we started being competitive in terms of wages with other top clubs and we can then attract top players, its all relevant.
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Yeah, it’s fair enough, it’s just with some Liverpool fans every time you bring up and big transfer they make, they act as if the Coutinho money paid for it. It didn’t pay for EVERY transfer, that’s all I’m saying.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
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Fabinho
Salah
Robertson
Mane
Minamino
Shaqiri
Keita
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
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But do we know if we would have signed both even if cout wasn't sold? I think we would have as they were desperatly needed.
The money you were going to spend on fekir
It's worth noting klopp wasn't the one who decided let's sell cout so I an buy these lads, he did everything he could to keep him, the money was well invested for sure but no one sat in a room and said if we sell a we csn buy b and c.
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posted on 18/1/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 34 seconds ago
Some people are as bad as the media. He just hit two record point totals in the league, won every domestic trophy last season and one bad season and he's a fraud. Normally with the points they have this season they'd be fighting for first but it's not normal that the team in first have twenty wins and a draw from their first twenty-one games.
Yes he needs the money to play in the style he likes but it's certainly plausible that of he didnt have that money to spend, he would adapt his style to the players he has.
The decision to not replace Kompany, further complicated with Laporte getting injured has ultimately been their downfall. They are still dominating games and scoring goals, however they're now conceding stupid goals also.
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Good Post, plus teams evolve and can drop off for a year while trying to replace players or assimilate new ones, and that's likely harder when you play like pep does.
posted on 18/1/20
people need to realise that city's tally of 15-3-5 is not actually bad. its maybe a couple losses too many but it's pretty decent.
the past 3 season have had teams doing the unbelievable, let's not get carried away like that is normal
posted on 18/1/20
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 40 seconds ago
people need to realise that city's tally of 15-3-5 is not actually bad. its maybe a couple losses too many but it's pretty decent.
the past 3 season have had teams doing the unbelievable, let's not get carried away like that is normal
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Good point, it's been deemed in some quarters that the league is weak but the reality is what City have done, and us last and this season is abnormal
posted on 18/1/20
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Some people are as bad as the media. He just hit two record point totals in the league, won every domestic trophy last season and one bad season and he's a fraud. Normally with the points they have this season they'd be fighting for first but it's not normal that the team in first have twenty wins and a draw from their first twenty-one games.
Yes he needs the money to play in the style he likes but it's certainly plausible that of he didnt have that money to spend, he would adapt his style to the players he has.
The decision to not replace Kompany, further complicated with Laporte getting injured has ultimately been their downfall. They are still dominating games and scoring goals, however they're now conceding stupid goals also.
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Good summarising from you TOOR.
He is a top coach and improves players unlike some managers. Wilder and Bielsa are the same.
Every manager needs a certain type of player to play their style.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 8 minutes ago
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
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You really haven’t watched us much if you think that.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Yeah that's true Melton, it's horses for courses I guess.
I don't buy into the idea that pep can only do it with money, he's been at clubs who have money to back him because he's a top manager. Any manager will spend given the chance to.
I'd love to see him at a smaller club just to see how it went and what he would do with a less talented squad, but then why would he when any top club would have him in a heart beat.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 13 minutes ago
Keep seeing we are a long ball team. Klopp changes his tactics if his press isn’t working. If a team sits deep we hit longer passes because we have the players to do so and it’s usually wing to wing. We don’t have talk strikers to hit long hopeful balls to.
What does Pep do when his usual tactic doesn’t work? Nothing they just keep passing it sideways.
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We're clearly not a long ball team, but also I don't see the problem with playing that way when you either have to mix it up as you say klopp does, or the squad is suited to it.
It's just some dopes trying to make themselves feel better t bone, some folk can't handle seeing another team do well, they spend more time hating on another team than enjoying their own, which is weird
posted on 18/1/20
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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Can u honestly see him making hendo and Robertson play like the way they are now. Totally agree with the type of players he needs
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But Pep doesnt play long ball football, how can he make use of Hendo? I dont get this, must Pep be apologetic that his style of football requires skilled footballers who can control a football in tight spaces and therefore must work with talented players?
I mean does Liverpool not have world class players? Last time I check you have more players in the European awards than City.
Some lazy arguments
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Nobody says he has to be apologetic. Just pointing out facts.
Its OK that Pep needs specialist players whereas Klopp can adapt and work with just about any kind of player.
Liverpool players appearing in the European awards would not have been anywhere near those awards when Klopp signed them. Klopp has turned players that were ridiculed into world class players.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
posted on 18/1/20
Melton hit it on the head that Pep is more famous for his style of football and the way his teams than the trophies he has won. If anything he has under achieved with the teams he has had but you cant take away the breatless football he has provided over the years.
He takes risks that most managers wont take. Thats precisely EXACTLY what people love about Klopp.
Obviously he has had to change a few things to win trophies but its essentially his desire to play high intensity football that got him his admirers.
People will talk about his ability to work on a tighter budget but thats not the real remit of a manager.Its to make use of the players he has and improve them
Not so long ago Klopp was the butt of jokes for his finals record but nobody ever gave him credit for reaching the finals. Beause the narrative was different.
I must say other than GB and your usual idiots, Liverpool fans probably recognise Peps greatness more than most fans.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Coutinho's Merkin (U22212)
posted 46 minutes ago
He’s a modern day Mourinho. Will throw his toys out the pram and bugga off to the next oil rich club
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Nah. He will Bunga Bunga off to the next oil rich club
posted on 18/1/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
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Sakho, Benteke, Karius, Moreno etc
posted on 18/1/20
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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The overall net spend is very low for the position we are in but I mean we broke two records in a six month period signing Allison and Virg, no denying that we've spent big, but there is a direct correlation between spending money and doing well, also wages are a massive factor, we started being competitive in terms of wages with other top clubs and we can then attract top players, its all relevant.
posted on 18/1/20
Lovren, Keita, even Hendo is still up and down.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
posted on 18/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 5 minutes ago
I am not denying he ain't a good manager. As long as you give him the cheque book he will create an awesome team. But so can nearly most of the other top managers.
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It's because he needs top players to play the way he wants his teams to, everyone including the keeper needs to be quality on the ball and be adept at playing in tight spaces.
Really would be interesting to see him at a club who couldn't fund that level of player.
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No he doesn’t, he needs players with certain characteristics. That’s why he was fine with using Delph and then Zinchenko as left backs.
He needs top players to win multiple trophies, as every manager does.
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Fair point but like in midfled particularly he needs a real level of quality, nothing wrong with that though it's just many players couldn't do it to the level he wants them to, have to be a super technicall footballer. Like would Henderson thrive under pep like he does under Klopp?
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No, but then there’s other players that wouldn’t thrive under Klopp. That’s the same for any coach.
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Like who?
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Berbatov and ozil immediately spring to mind
posted on 18/1/20
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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No but we also sold.out bestboksyer on sterling the season before and Suarez the season before. FACT. We had to sell out best to become the best. But that has now changed.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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The overall net spend is very low for the position we are in but I mean we broke two records in a six month period signing Allison and Virg, no denying that we've spent big, but there is a direct correlation between spending money and doing well, also wages are a massive factor, we started being competitive in terms of wages with other top clubs and we can then attract top players, its all relevant.
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Yeah, it’s fair enough, it’s just with some Liverpool fans every time you bring up and big transfer they make, they act as if the Coutinho money paid for it. It didn’t pay for EVERY transfer, that’s all I’m saying.
posted on 18/1/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
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Fabinho
Salah
Robertson
Mane
Minamino
Shaqiri
Keita
posted on 18/1/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by W A H L . (U22321)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 27 minutes ago
Klopp only sold one top player right (Coutinho)?
That comment wasn't meant as a Klopp v Pep debate but to say Pep only succeeded because he spent truck loads of cash completely ignores his time at Barca, which is really where he made his name.
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It makes me laugh how the Coutinho money has supposedly covered every transfer Liverpool have made over the last few years according to Liverpool fans.
The reality is their club has spent plenty of money to get to where they are now. Not knocking it, but let’s accept reality please.
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Coutinho money £142m
VVD £75m
Alisson £66m
£141m
Re sit your maths GCSE...........again
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But do we know if we would have signed both even if cout wasn't sold? I think we would have as they were desperatly needed.
posted on 18/1/20
The money you were going to spend on fekir
posted on 18/1/20
It's worth noting klopp wasn't the one who decided let's sell cout so I an buy these lads, he did everything he could to keep him, the money was well invested for sure but no one sat in a room and said if we sell a we csn buy b and c.
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