I didnt say it was irrelevant, I said focusing on net spend like that income is a seperate entity is bollox and that's because it is.
As far as I can see net spend is paid the attention it deserves and is due to it. It has its place, I don't think its overly focussed on more than it should.
I can tell by this thread
Net spend doesn’t really tell you anything about how clubs do business. Regardless of how much more you think you know about your own clubs accounts.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 55 seconds ago
Net spend doesn’t really tell you anything about how clubs do business. Regardless of how much more you think you know about your own clubs accounts.
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I didn't say it does and its not the reason I feel I know more than you. Just that I likely keep myself more updated on Liverpool than you and I'm pretty sure that selling players enabled it all to the extent we signed all those players.
It enabled it no more than sponsorship, match day income, kit deals or TV money and seeing as we were trting to get VVD before we even sold Coutinho Im not sure that focusing on a £100m singular piece of income holds much weight.
It doesn’t work by selling one for 140m means we can buy Alisson and VVD though. The cost of a new player on an annual basis will be calculated by dividing their fee by the length of contract, then factoring in wages, as well as agents fees etc. So as much as you can be pretty sure selling one player enabled you to buy all of these others, it didn’t.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
It enabled it no more than sponsorship, match day income, kit deals or TV money and seeing as we were trting to get VVD before we even sold Coutinho Im not sure that focusing on a £100m singular piece of income holds much weight.
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I agree with the first part, partly. I didn't say Coutinho paid for the new players.
I said it would have all been impossible without the sale of Coutinho, which I notice no one has actually disagreed with. You're putting out your own statements and disagreeing with them.
Also, nobody said just VVD, we have spent over 250m since selling Coutinho and without that sale, it wouldn't have panned out like that.
Also, we would not have gone for Keita if Coutinho had stayed so there you go. Keita cost near 60m.
Without selling Benteke, Solanke, blah blah blah. Without TV money, without sponsorship, without match day income, without prize money.
Man Utd have made sales. And what?
Who the actual fvck cares? People who want to look down on other clubs, that's who.
Oooooo we're doing it the right way.
The reality is that within the game Liverpool have a terrible reputation for how we go about things from tapping up, to turning over youth players families, to being banned.
There is no right way. We make money and we sell it.
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 35 seconds ago
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
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This.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
Without selling Benteke, Solanke, blah blah blah. Without TV money, without sponsorship, without match day income, without prize money.
Man Utd have made sales. And what?
Who the actual fvck cares? People who want to look down on other clubs, that's who.
Oooooo we're doing it the right way.
The reality is that within the game Liverpool have a terrible reputation for how we go about things from tapping up, to turning over youth players families, to being banned.
There is no right way. We make money and we sell it.
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I agree with some of this but its a competition and if someone is getting doped to get ahead then you can never escape that fact, whether you like it or not.
You're telling me there's no difference between being bankrolled by oil money and using your own funds and wit to achieve glory?
IMO, people who deny such blatant facts only do it because of how unique it makes them feel and look, not that they really believe it.
That's insanely absurd IMO and we'll have to agree to disagree.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 8 minutes ago
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
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So now its a few big summers? A bit of backtracking there.
All these I don't directly disagree with but you can't escape the fact that without that Coutinho money we would not have been able to do what we did.
You’ve completely changed topic there so not even sure how you’ve managed to sign off with let’s agree to disagree.
Look up player amortisation and how clubs calculate fees. And if you’re still of the opinion that the sale of one single player is what changed everything then fair enough.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
You’ve completely changed topic there so not even sure how you’ve managed to sign off with let’s agree to disagree.
Look up player amortisation and how clubs calculate fees. And if you’re still of the opinion that the sale of one single player is what changed everything then fair enough.
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I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?
That's what happened. Not saying that selling the player funded all the purchases.
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything.
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You're clearly wrong, just don't want to admit it.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Je suis européen. (U1270)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
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I'd smack you over the head with each one.
Fact is Coutinho enabled our transfer activity, this is just another ocassion where people are trying to ignore the articulateness of Liverpool and trying to put down Liverpools never-seen-before-in-football-history-all-conquering-form to some sort of stroke of luck or expenditure.
We've done it like you don't want to believe. Sooner or later you'll have to accept it.
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Je suis européen. (U1270)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
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I'd smack you over the head with each one.
Fact is Coutinho enabled our transfer activity, this is just another ocassion where people are trying to ignore the articulateness of Liverpool and trying to put down Liverpools never-seen-before-in-football-history-all-conquering-form to some sort of stroke of luck or expenditure.
We've done it like you don't want to believe. Sooner or later you'll have to accept it.
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Actually it’s quite the opposite. If this one transfer was what enabled your transfer activity and subsequent success, then I’d say it’s you doing a disservice to everything else that was being done at the club to reinvigorate yourselves as a European powerhouse.
Think about that mamba, and choose your spade wisely.
I don't think you understand what "enabled" means
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posted on 31/1/20
I didnt say it was irrelevant, I said focusing on net spend like that income is a seperate entity is bollox and that's because it is.
posted on 31/1/20
As far as I can see net spend is paid the attention it deserves and is due to it. It has its place, I don't think its overly focussed on more than it should.
posted on 31/1/20
I can tell by this thread
posted on 31/1/20
posted on 31/1/20
Net spend doesn’t really tell you anything about how clubs do business. Regardless of how much more you think you know about your own clubs accounts.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 55 seconds ago
Net spend doesn’t really tell you anything about how clubs do business. Regardless of how much more you think you know about your own clubs accounts.
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I didn't say it does and its not the reason I feel I know more than you. Just that I likely keep myself more updated on Liverpool than you and I'm pretty sure that selling players enabled it all to the extent we signed all those players.
posted on 31/1/20
It enabled it no more than sponsorship, match day income, kit deals or TV money and seeing as we were trting to get VVD before we even sold Coutinho Im not sure that focusing on a £100m singular piece of income holds much weight.
posted on 31/1/20
It doesn’t work by selling one for 140m means we can buy Alisson and VVD though. The cost of a new player on an annual basis will be calculated by dividing their fee by the length of contract, then factoring in wages, as well as agents fees etc. So as much as you can be pretty sure selling one player enabled you to buy all of these others, it didn’t.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
It enabled it no more than sponsorship, match day income, kit deals or TV money and seeing as we were trting to get VVD before we even sold Coutinho Im not sure that focusing on a £100m singular piece of income holds much weight.
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I agree with the first part, partly. I didn't say Coutinho paid for the new players.
I said it would have all been impossible without the sale of Coutinho, which I notice no one has actually disagreed with. You're putting out your own statements and disagreeing with them.
posted on 31/1/20
Im disagreeing with now.
posted on 31/1/20
Also, nobody said just VVD, we have spent over 250m since selling Coutinho and without that sale, it wouldn't have panned out like that.
posted on 31/1/20
Also, we would not have gone for Keita if Coutinho had stayed so there you go. Keita cost near 60m.
posted on 31/1/20
Without selling Benteke, Solanke, blah blah blah. Without TV money, without sponsorship, without match day income, without prize money.
Man Utd have made sales. And what?
Who the actual fvck cares? People who want to look down on other clubs, that's who.
Oooooo we're doing it the right way.
The reality is that within the game Liverpool have a terrible reputation for how we go about things from tapping up, to turning over youth players families, to being banned.
There is no right way. We make money and we sell it.
posted on 31/1/20
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 35 seconds ago
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
Without selling Benteke, Solanke, blah blah blah. Without TV money, without sponsorship, without match day income, without prize money.
Man Utd have made sales. And what?
Who the actual fvck cares? People who want to look down on other clubs, that's who.
Oooooo we're doing it the right way.
The reality is that within the game Liverpool have a terrible reputation for how we go about things from tapping up, to turning over youth players families, to being banned.
There is no right way. We make money and we sell it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with some of this but its a competition and if someone is getting doped to get ahead then you can never escape that fact, whether you like it or not.
You're telling me there's no difference between being bankrolled by oil money and using your own funds and wit to achieve glory?
IMO, people who deny such blatant facts only do it because of how unique it makes them feel and look, not that they really believe it.
That's insanely absurd IMO and we'll have to agree to disagree.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 8 minutes ago
It probably wouldn’t have panned out exactly like that because you wouldn’t have needed to reinforce the midfield. However, financially you definitely could have afforded a few big summers regardless of that sale, which I think is the point.
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So now its a few big summers? A bit of backtracking there.
All these I don't directly disagree with but you can't escape the fact that without that Coutinho money we would not have been able to do what we did.
posted on 31/1/20
You’ve completely changed topic there so not even sure how you’ve managed to sign off with let’s agree to disagree.
Look up player amortisation and how clubs calculate fees. And if you’re still of the opinion that the sale of one single player is what changed everything then fair enough.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
You’ve completely changed topic there so not even sure how you’ve managed to sign off with let’s agree to disagree.
Look up player amortisation and how clubs calculate fees. And if you’re still of the opinion that the sale of one single player is what changed everything then fair enough.
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I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?
That's what happened. Not saying that selling the player funded all the purchases.
posted on 31/1/20
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
posted on 31/1/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
posted on 1/2/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything.
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You're clearly wrong, just don't want to admit it.
posted on 1/2/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Je suis européen. (U1270)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
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I'd smack you over the head with each one.
Fact is Coutinho enabled our transfer activity, this is just another ocassion where people are trying to ignore the articulateness of Liverpool and trying to put down Liverpools never-seen-before-in-football-history-all-conquering-form to some sort of stroke of luck or expenditure.
We've done it like you don't want to believe. Sooner or later you'll have to accept it.
posted on 1/2/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Je suis européen. (U1270)
posted 6 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
“ I didn't say it changed everything. So selling a player has never enabled purchases?”
You said without the sale it wouldn’t of been possible, so I’d say if that were true it did change everything. Going round in circles now though so let’s leave it at that.
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What would Mamba do it if you gave him three shovels and told him to take his pick?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd smack you over the head with each one.
Fact is Coutinho enabled our transfer activity, this is just another ocassion where people are trying to ignore the articulateness of Liverpool and trying to put down Liverpools never-seen-before-in-football-history-all-conquering-form to some sort of stroke of luck or expenditure.
We've done it like you don't want to believe. Sooner or later you'll have to accept it.
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Actually it’s quite the opposite. If this one transfer was what enabled your transfer activity and subsequent success, then I’d say it’s you doing a disservice to everything else that was being done at the club to reinvigorate yourselves as a European powerhouse.
Think about that mamba, and choose your spade wisely.
posted on 1/2/20
I don't think you understand what "enabled" means
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