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posted on 6/3/20

If you don't like it, don't respond to it. Everybody can see it, if you don't want to, it's not my problem. This is where I ignore you again.

Have a nice night.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Also you're counting league games they were on the bench due to injury and came on.
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Oh yes, Salah was on the bench for a single game.

Silly me - what a huge difference that makes to the credibility of your point.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
If you don't like it, don't respond to it. Everybody can see it, if you don't want to, it's not my problem. This is where I ignore you again.

Have a nice night.
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I think it's pathetic but I enjoy responding to openly prove you wrong.

As ever, you can't admit your mistakes and so you run away.

posted on 6/3/20

Funny how TOOR leaves the thread after saying Firmino missed five games but he actually missed four.

posted on 6/3/20

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-firmino/verletzungen/spieler/131789

Bye Winnie

posted on 6/3/20

Of 28 games this season, appearances so far:

TAA - 28
Robertson - 28
Van Dijk - 28
Henderson - 25
Salah - 25
Mane - 25
Firmino - 28

I’m sorry, but you’d do well to make out that you’ve had any serious injury issues to key players this season.

That doesn’t mean you’re lucky. It doesn’t mean you’re not an outstanding team. It doesn’t mean it’s the only reason you’re walking the league.

Some people are of the opinion that Liverpool’s squad is not as strong as it could be and if you lost one or two key players for long periods then it might affect you more than City, for example.

That’s understandable, City have spent a lot more. Morning to be ashamed of even if you agree.

It’s also fair comment that Liverpool’s fitness and medical teams deserve massive praise.

I have said this season that I believed last year you were heavily reliant on Salah and I was probably wrong - actually I think you’d survive quite well without one of your front three. I think it’s further back up the pitch that arguably is more important.

I don’t see why we can’t have this discussion without the ridiculous accusations listed by TOOR.

There are always trolls. But the vast majority have been overwhelmingly in praise of Liverpool. That doesn’t mean we’re not allowed to debate how more serious injuries may have affected you or how Klopp might feel the need to strengthen, does it?

posted on 6/3/20

aguero has missed more games than Liverpools front 3 combined, let alone including Sane

Laporte has just come back, how many games has VVD missed

Ederson has missed 2 games less than Allison

I think the point here is city key men have missed a lot, whereas for Liverpool its squad players and the odd game here or there for key men

but again, that's a credit to the fitness team not a criticism

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-firmino/verletzungen/spieler/131789

Bye Winnie
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Hi TOOR.

https://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/liverpool-fc/663/

All web sites have Firmino down as 34 appearances.

Looking forward to you admitting you’re wrong.

(Yeh, right. )

posted on 6/3/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-firmino/verletzungen/spieler/131789

Bye Winnie
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Hi TOOR.

https://uk.soccerway.com/teams/england/liverpool-fc/663/

All web sites have Firmino down as 34 appearances.

Looking forward to you admitting you’re wrong.

(Yeh, right.)
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Ouch. Oh dear, TOOR.

https://www.premierleague.com/players/13511/Roberto-Firmino/stats?co=1&se=210

posted on 6/3/20

Flipping ‘evil Winston, you do love tormenting toor don’t you?

posted on 6/3/20

Eck* not evil.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 13 seconds ago
Flipping ‘evil Winston, you do love tormenting toor don’t you?
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It needn’t be that way of course. We all make mistakes, but when he can’t admit it, it just gets drawn out.

Not a lot of wiggle room for him with this one.

Though to be fair, it’s not really the key point in this conversation.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 5 minutes ago
aguero has missed more games than Liverpools front 3 combined, let alone including Sane

Laporte has just come back, how many games has VVD missed

Ederson has missed 2 games less than Allison

I think the point here is city key men have missed a lot, whereas for Liverpool its squad players and the odd game here or there for key men

but again, that's a credit to the fitness team not a criticism
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Nobody said City haven't had injuries. Again new criteria is being introduced. Aguero has missed four more games than Firmino over the course if the season but then they have a £30m striker to come in, Liverpool have Origi. Considering they are a billion pound squad, this is to be expected. Laporte missed over half a season but again, they spent about £200m on defenders in the past couple of seasons. Gomez has missed similar games to Laporte last season and yet we didn't have injuries.

But again, this is different criteria. People state Liverpool don't get injuries and yet the facts say otherwise. Nobody said other teams don't get injuries. With City having a billion pound squad they can afford to bring in other players when players are carrying a knock, whereas Liverpool have to play theirs, hence why Klopp keeps them out of the domestic cup games and City field very strong teams.

Once again, Liverpool have had injuries, so to state otherwise is incorrect, regardless of whether other teams have had injuries, more injuries, worse injuries etc etc.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flipping ‘evil Winston, you do love tormenting toor don’t you?
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He just loves adding his own criteria and thinking he's right. I learnt to ignore him ages ago. It got tiring.

posted on 6/3/20

‘People state Liverpool don’t get injuries’

There’s that narrative again, getting ready for the end of the season.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
Flipping ‘evil Winston, you do love tormenting toor don’t you?
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He just loves adding his own criteria and thinking he's right. I learnt to ignore him ages ago. It got tiring.
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You said Firmino missed five games. He missed four.

You said Salah was missing for periods. He played every single league game.

It’s as blatant as it gets TOOR and it’s your own comments being proven wrong.

posted on 6/3/20

He missed five. You've introduced your own criteria to make it four. Work it out. Anyway, I'm out, you've bored me enough for one night.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 32 seconds ago
He missed five. You've introduced your own criteria to make it four. Work it out. Anyway, I'm out, you've bored me enough for one night.
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TOOR, the Premier League official web site confirms he played 34 games.

So he missed four games.

This right here is what I mean by saying you can’t admit when you’re wrong. As clear as anything. But sure, it’s all my fault, right?

Embarrassing.

posted on 6/3/20

Oh and do tell me how you’d like to justify ‘Salah was missing for periods’ when he didn’t miss a single league game.

You just make this stuff up and expect no one to notice

You’ve had a shocker, TOOR.

posted on 6/3/20

Here’s my comment from all that time ago:

“I also think it's the lack of serious injuries that people are referring to when things go your way. If you're without key players for any significant period, can you cope?”

TOOR’s attempts to make this about fans saying ‘Liverpool never get injuries’ are lies. Guilty of his own accusation in inventing a criteria to argue.

In response to the above quote, TOOR told me Salah had been missing for a period. Turns out that he played every single league game. Mane missed one game.

Hardly a significant period, is it?

I really don’t understand why some Liverpool fans like TOOR are so intent on creating a narrative of opposition fans not giving Liverpool the credit they deserve.

It’s simply not the case.

But one thing you should know by now TOOR, you can’t just make things up and expect me not to notice. You’ve had your pants pulled down here because of it and now you’re all worked up on a Friday evening.

Pour yourself a beer and reflect a little. We can move on when you acknowledge your errors, I won’t hold a grudge.

Happy Friday everyone.

posted on 6/3/20

Salah had two periods injured, missed two games.
Firmino had two periods injured, missed five games.
Mane had two periods injured, missed two games.
Henderson had five periods injured, missed six games.
Gomez had four periods injured, missed twenty-three games.
TAA had three periods injured, missed six games.

There was one point we were playing Henderson and Fabinho at centre back as all our centre backs were out, one if then at centre back as one available, both played at right back as both TAA and Gomez was out and Ox played one at right back also if I remember right and shortly after he was put out for the season. If I also remember right Robertson had to go off early in the Barca game through injury, when we had Salah and Firmino already out.

Now you can introduce your own criteria all you want but the facts are, people stated Liverpool players didn't get injuries, I've proved that incorrect. They changed the criteria to key players which again was proven incorrect and then it changed to front three. Now you're making it about league games only. If you keep changing the criteria, eventually you'll be right.

There are things that get pushed and the longer they go on, people jump on the wagon and despite the facts stating otherwise, it's accepted. Take the VAR one. People stating VAR has helped Liverpool be so far clear, despite us only gaining net 1 in our favour, whereas United are top of the board with net 9 or something. You put this down to people trolling but you hear it everywhere, there's even an advert on the radio at the moment stating it for a betting company, when talking about luck and Liverpool getting the VAR decisions, "every, single, week".

So you can palm it off as trolling all you want but it's widely accepted, contrary to the facts that Liverpool dont get injuries, VAR has put Liverpool in the position they are in the league, Liverpool are lucky etc etc.

I'm really going this time as you've sucked me in again and wasted my time explaining something that is obvious to any sane person.

Happy Friday Winston.

posted on 6/3/20

TOOR, read that paragraph again:

“I also think it's the lack of serious injuries that people are referring to when things go your way. If you're without key players for any significant period, can you cope?”

It’s YOU changing the criteria, not me. You haven’t actually discussed what I said, and it was you replying to this point that started this exchange.

Your reply to this paragraph was to tell me that Salah, Firmino and Mane were out for ‘periods’. They missed five league games between them. Salah missed none at all.

Dress it up however you like, you tried to debate my point and you failed. You tried to make out that you’d missed key players for significant periods but you were caught lying. Which is why you left, because we all know you can’t admit when you’re wrong.

And here we are again.

There’s a bigger issue here of you lying about what people have said in order to create a narrative about bitter opposition fans, but helpfully there’s one fantastic example involving me - and it’s all there in black and white. If you can’t concede you made errors with me, why would we take you seriously with any other comment?

Who said Liverpool don’t get injuries? Not me. Not anyone I’ve seen. You keep saying it, but it doesn’t ring true.

You’ve got yourself all wound up tonight, as usual. Have you ever thought about why that is? I’ll tell you why - it’s because you can’t bear the fact that I’m right and you’re wrong.

If you’d just admitted, right at the start all those months ago, that actually, you’d made a mistake, maybe you wouldn’t be so worked up now - desperately trying to get out of what you said, trying to convince people that everyone else is to blame, and lying about what people have said.

Maybe one day the penny will drop with you, TOOR.

Until then, you’ll have me to highlight your lies and pull apart your flawed arguments. It has started to give me pleasure in taking you apart like this, which is sad really because if you could admit when you were wrong, we’d probably get on well.

Ah well, happy Friday to me, I hope you manage to calm down and enjoy the rest of your evening.

posted on 6/3/20

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 5 minutes ago
aguero has missed more games than Liverpools front 3 combined, let alone including Sane

Laporte has just come back, how many games has VVD missed

Ederson has missed 2 games less than Allison

I think the point here is city key men have missed a lot, whereas for Liverpool its squad players and the odd game here or there for key men

but again, that's a credit to the fitness team not a criticism
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Nobody said City haven't had injuries. Again new criteria is being introduced. Aguero has missed four more games than Firmino over the course if the season but then they have a £30m striker to come in, Liverpool have Origi. Considering they are a billion pound squad, this is to be expected. Laporte missed over half a season but again, they spent about £200m on defenders in the past couple of seasons. Gomez has missed similar games to Laporte last season and yet we didn't have injuries.

But again, this is different criteria. People state Liverpool don't get injuries and yet the facts say otherwise. Nobody said other teams don't get injuries. With City having a billion pound squad they can afford to bring in other players when players are carrying a knock, whereas Liverpool have to play theirs, hence why Klopp keeps them out of the domestic cup games and City field very strong teams.

Once again, Liverpool have had injuries, so to state otherwise is incorrect, regardless of whether other teams have had injuries, more injuries, worse injuries etc etc.
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you seem to be either not getting my point, confusing it with someone else's or being deliberately obtuse.

literally no-one has said Liverpool don't get injuries.

they have said you have benefitted as opposed to your clearest rival by not missing your key men in the same way they have.

it doesn't matter who the back up is, if VVD & Mane missed the same amount of games as Sane & Laporte then clearly it would've affected you.

not sure why this point is so hard to grasp

posted on 7/3/20

adrian is awesome.

city fans need to get over themselves. (aka every fan of a club not lfc)

people need to stop being snowflakes.

posted on 7/3/20

We’ve had plenty of injuries, but even if we’ve had less than other teams then it’s not down to luck. It’s down to the set up, the people and methods you bring in to manage the players. This narrative that it’s yet another part of our extraordinary good fortune is just lazy and stupid.

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