comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 34 minutes ago
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Martinelli is not a good wide player. His stats show that. He is however an excellent free striker. And should be playing down the middle. The problem is the same as playing Auba in the middle. For strikers whose main strength is running behind the CBs and not coming deep to receive the ball you need a solid CM. The ball has to move fast through the team into those players before the opposition gets set.
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He is not a natural winger but was doing great there, please feel free to remind yourself of the goals, assists and link-up play with Saka.
He should be there because he is our best option for that position currently, he's better there than Auba and this would allow Auba to be played where he should be.
It's too late now anyway as no doubt Saka will be pushed forward to the left wing and hopefully Tierney not Kolasinac will take the LB/LWB position.
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Saka is a far better winger. His crosses are excellent and his awareness is astounding for someone so young. Martinelli is a wiz running with the ball like fat Ronaldo used to. Frankly thats how we should be using him. He doesn't have a trick but his close control is superb and his finishing is well beyond his years.
Martinelli has what 3 assists? And most of them from flat crosses on the ground ala Walcott. He really is not a wing player. Compare that to 10 from Saka.
Martinelli should be learning from Auba at arcing his runs and fooling defenders to get a yard in the box. He could be a brilliant striker.
I agree Saka is the better winger of course, not disputing that. However, throughout this period where Saka has been forced to play as a LWB due to injuries to Tierney & Kolasinac, Martinelli was the best option to play on the left wing and he was doing great there - then he was suddenly dropped without an explanation.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 47 minutes ago
You were made aware by me. It's not even a mistake that anyone who knows truly knows/understands football could possibly make.
The fact that you are now proving yourself to be a liar as well as a pathetic little whiny bltch is a new low, even for you.
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You are an idiot of the highest order. What do you want to prove. Laughable idiot. Filtered from now on.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 47 minutes ago
You were made aware by me. It's not even a mistake that anyone who knows truly knows/understands football could possibly make.
The fact that you are now proving yourself to be a liar as well as a pathetic little whiny bltch is a new low, even for you.
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You are an idiot of the highest order. What do you want to prove. Laughable idiot. Filtered from now on.
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Everyone knows you are the idiot here, couldn't care less if some German sad-act nobody filters me on a football forum online because I made him look like a fool for the umpteenth time then caught him in a lie, no surprise you are going into your little bunker
Just to remind you, it was you - not me who started shlt talking on this topic and you've ended up looking like the mug again, good job moron
Just to remind you, it was you....
No you complete tool. You came up with abuse and calling me names.
As someone who doesnt care you write a lot shiiiit. Get a life.
I think we have to be aware that Saka, Willock, Nketiah, Martinelli are all 20 or under. Frankly they've already had too much game time. Its the fact they are so good that is tempting Arteta to play them more than he should. Its not good for their physical development. You can already see Saka's crosses don't have the same whip they normally do and Nketiah looked knackered against West Ham. Martinelli didn't look all that hot against Pompey and faced some hefty challenges.
I think why Arteta is not playing Martinelli more is fairly obvious if you take his young age into account and the fact that Arteta is not using Auba or Martinelli to run beyond the back line of the opposition because frankly no one in our centre midfield can play a decent through ball.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 59 seconds ago
Just to remind you, it was you....
No you complete tool. You came up with abuse and calling me names.
As someone who doesnt care you write a lot shiiiit. Get a life.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 17 hours, 1 minute ago
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Don't tell him. He hasnt got a clue.
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GermanTragedy caught lying again
Don't you see the irony, you started shlt talking to me here then a few comments ago you tell me to shut it?
You really need to take your pills now. You suffer from an inferior complex and you need to visit a doctor soon. Only an advice from my side. So that's it really for me. Dont waste my time.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 seconds ago
You really need to take your pills now. You suffer from an inferior complex and you need to visit a doctor soon. Only an advice from my side. So that's it really for me. Dont waste my time.
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If you're happy to dish it out don't complain when it comes back at you.
How can I possibly have an inferiority complex when I'm so superior to you?
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 17 hours, 9 minutes ago
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Don't tell him. He hasnt got a clue.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
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You guy really need to shut it.
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You start it, get upset when I give it back and make you look foolish then tell me to shut it
Thanks for the laughs (at you)
Arteta's record reads as:
15 games managed
8 wins
5 draws
2 losses
The draws have been a bit frustrating, and so have some of the performances, but right now, he's doing as well as he can with the players at his disposal.
My only real criticisms are some of his bizarre starting 11s and the timing of his changes during the game.
Although he was comparatively proactive with his changes against West Ham. I still think Martinelli deserves more minutes than he's been getting of late though.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think we have to be aware that Saka, Willock, Nketiah, Martinelli are all 20 or under. Frankly they've already had too much game time. Its the fact they are so good that is tempting Arteta to play them more than he should. Its not good for their physical development. You can already see Saka's crosses don't have the same whip they normally do and Nketiah looked knackered against West Ham. Martinelli didn't look all that hot against Pompey and faced some hefty challenges.
I think why Arteta is not playing Martinelli more is fairly obvious if you take his young age into account and the fact that Arteta is not using Auba or Martinelli to run beyond the back line of the opposition because frankly no one in our centre midfield can play a decent through ball.
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I don't agree with this particularly, for Saka there could be an argument that he could use a rest but you're talking out of your harris regarding physical development.
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
Not every young player has natural fitness/injury proneness issues like Wilshere/Ramsey had.
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
comment by Kyzr117 (U10805)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
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Absolute drivel, jog on.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
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That's just nonsense, there are far more examples of players who played a lot more from the age of 18 onward than someone like Martinelli has done this season and just fine past 30. You are pretending to understand anatomy and medical science when you clearly don't.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Kyzr117 (U10805)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
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Absolute drivel, jog on.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
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You are pretending to understand anatomy and medical science when you clearly don't.
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Jenius99 is absolutely spot on. Younger athletes are more prone to injuries due to lack of conditioning that they are yet to achieve. Additionally, Wenger has said in the past he protected younger players from being overplayed not only due to what is mentioned above but also due to mental fatigue and burnout, especially in England. The discipline required to be a top footballer is not a joke, and younger athletes understandably may struggle with it initially.
Also, I’m an internal medicine physician so I could say I have some understanding of anatomy and medical science as you put it. Regardless, from this thread here and past experiences, you seem like a very stubborn individual who doesn’t want to consider other views.
We were specifically talking about Martinelli initially and he has not been played so much, or rather overplayed that he would be at risk of burn out.
A medicine physician? You mean a medical physician? I call BS considering you don't even know the proper title.
You're totally wrong again, I'm open to others views when they are not a load of trash and pretending to understand things they don't.
Your last comment was 2 years ago until now, you are blatantly an alt account belonging to Jenius
How embarrassing.
You’re uninformed, clueless and lazy.
Google is your friend.
Yeah you keep telling yourself that yet you are the one pretending to understand things they don't and then dictate those things to others as if you are an actual genius, when you most certainly are not.
I am not Kyzr. Ask admin.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 50 seconds ago
I am not Kyzr. Ask admin.
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I don't trust the Admin here at all after their recent behaviour and activities so no thanks, also it's funny how you've just popped up seconds later.
If you actually were a real medical practitioner with a genuine understanding of sports science you would know the following:
1) Genetics plays the biggest role in dictating how physically capable a youngster is in terms of coping with the demands and strains put on their body from high level sport.
2) It's not a one shoe fits all subject like you are making it out to be. Genetically and therefore physically players are different and hence their bodies have varied coping mechanisms. Some are more prone to injury because of this.
3) Yes burn-out is a real thing of course but in the case of Martinelli he has not been played so much that he would be at risk of that, Saka maybe closer.
Sign in if you want to comment
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posted on 8/3/20
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 34 minutes ago
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Martinelli is not a good wide player. His stats show that. He is however an excellent free striker. And should be playing down the middle. The problem is the same as playing Auba in the middle. For strikers whose main strength is running behind the CBs and not coming deep to receive the ball you need a solid CM. The ball has to move fast through the team into those players before the opposition gets set.
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He is not a natural winger but was doing great there, please feel free to remind yourself of the goals, assists and link-up play with Saka.
He should be there because he is our best option for that position currently, he's better there than Auba and this would allow Auba to be played where he should be.
It's too late now anyway as no doubt Saka will be pushed forward to the left wing and hopefully Tierney not Kolasinac will take the LB/LWB position.
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Saka is a far better winger. His crosses are excellent and his awareness is astounding for someone so young. Martinelli is a wiz running with the ball like fat Ronaldo used to. Frankly thats how we should be using him. He doesn't have a trick but his close control is superb and his finishing is well beyond his years.
Martinelli has what 3 assists? And most of them from flat crosses on the ground ala Walcott. He really is not a wing player. Compare that to 10 from Saka.
Martinelli should be learning from Auba at arcing his runs and fooling defenders to get a yard in the box. He could be a brilliant striker.
posted on 8/3/20
I agree Saka is the better winger of course, not disputing that. However, throughout this period where Saka has been forced to play as a LWB due to injuries to Tierney & Kolasinac, Martinelli was the best option to play on the left wing and he was doing great there - then he was suddenly dropped without an explanation.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 47 minutes ago
You were made aware by me. It's not even a mistake that anyone who knows truly knows/understands football could possibly make.
The fact that you are now proving yourself to be a liar as well as a pathetic little whiny bltch is a new low, even for you.
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You are an idiot of the highest order. What do you want to prove. Laughable idiot. Filtered from now on.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 47 minutes ago
You were made aware by me. It's not even a mistake that anyone who knows truly knows/understands football could possibly make.
The fact that you are now proving yourself to be a liar as well as a pathetic little whiny bltch is a new low, even for you.
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You are an idiot of the highest order. What do you want to prove. Laughable idiot. Filtered from now on.
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Everyone knows you are the idiot here, couldn't care less if some German sad-act nobody filters me on a football forum online because I made him look like a fool for the umpteenth time then caught him in a lie, no surprise you are going into your little bunker
Just to remind you, it was you - not me who started shlt talking on this topic and you've ended up looking like the mug again, good job moron
posted on 8/3/20
Just to remind you, it was you....
No you complete tool. You came up with abuse and calling me names.
As someone who doesnt care you write a lot shiiiit. Get a life.
posted on 8/3/20
I think we have to be aware that Saka, Willock, Nketiah, Martinelli are all 20 or under. Frankly they've already had too much game time. Its the fact they are so good that is tempting Arteta to play them more than he should. Its not good for their physical development. You can already see Saka's crosses don't have the same whip they normally do and Nketiah looked knackered against West Ham. Martinelli didn't look all that hot against Pompey and faced some hefty challenges.
I think why Arteta is not playing Martinelli more is fairly obvious if you take his young age into account and the fact that Arteta is not using Auba or Martinelli to run beyond the back line of the opposition because frankly no one in our centre midfield can play a decent through ball.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 59 seconds ago
Just to remind you, it was you....
No you complete tool. You came up with abuse and calling me names.
As someone who doesnt care you write a lot shiiiit. Get a life.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 17 hours, 1 minute ago
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Don't tell him. He hasnt got a clue.
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GermanTragedy caught lying again
posted on 8/3/20
posted on 8/3/20
Don't you see the irony, you started shlt talking to me here then a few comments ago you tell me to shut it?
posted on 8/3/20
You really need to take your pills now. You suffer from an inferior complex and you need to visit a doctor soon. Only an advice from my side. So that's it really for me. Dont waste my time.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 seconds ago
You really need to take your pills now. You suffer from an inferior complex and you need to visit a doctor soon. Only an advice from my side. So that's it really for me. Dont waste my time.
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If you're happy to dish it out don't complain when it comes back at you.
How can I possibly have an inferiority complex when I'm so superior to you?
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 17 hours, 9 minutes ago
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Don't tell him. He hasnt got a clue.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
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You guy really need to shut it.
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You start it, get upset when I give it back and make you look foolish then tell me to shut it
Thanks for the laughs (at you)
posted on 8/3/20
Arteta's record reads as:
15 games managed
8 wins
5 draws
2 losses
The draws have been a bit frustrating, and so have some of the performances, but right now, he's doing as well as he can with the players at his disposal.
My only real criticisms are some of his bizarre starting 11s and the timing of his changes during the game.
Although he was comparatively proactive with his changes against West Ham. I still think Martinelli deserves more minutes than he's been getting of late though.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think we have to be aware that Saka, Willock, Nketiah, Martinelli are all 20 or under. Frankly they've already had too much game time. Its the fact they are so good that is tempting Arteta to play them more than he should. Its not good for their physical development. You can already see Saka's crosses don't have the same whip they normally do and Nketiah looked knackered against West Ham. Martinelli didn't look all that hot against Pompey and faced some hefty challenges.
I think why Arteta is not playing Martinelli more is fairly obvious if you take his young age into account and the fact that Arteta is not using Auba or Martinelli to run beyond the back line of the opposition because frankly no one in our centre midfield can play a decent through ball.
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I don't agree with this particularly, for Saka there could be an argument that he could use a rest but you're talking out of your harris regarding physical development.
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
posted on 8/3/20
Not every young player has natural fitness/injury proneness issues like Wilshere/Ramsey had.
posted on 8/3/20
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
posted on 8/3/20
comment by Kyzr117 (U10805)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
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Absolute drivel, jog on.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
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That's just nonsense, there are far more examples of players who played a lot more from the age of 18 onward than someone like Martinelli has done this season and just fine past 30. You are pretending to understand anatomy and medical science when you clearly don't.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Kyzr117 (U10805)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
Physically, they are ready and capable of playing 90 minutes once every 7 days. If they weren't they wouldn't be playing.
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With all due respect, that statement shows how uninformed and clueless you are on this particular issue.
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Absolute drivel, jog on.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
You'll generally find players continuously starting from a very young age don't have very long careers. Just the way it is. They are still growing at this age. Its not just Wilshere or Ramsey. Rooney, Walcott, etc. loads of players have a very steep decline hitting 30 when really the should be at their peak. The effect is very much exaggerated in attackers.
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You are pretending to understand anatomy and medical science when you clearly don't.
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Jenius99 is absolutely spot on. Younger athletes are more prone to injuries due to lack of conditioning that they are yet to achieve. Additionally, Wenger has said in the past he protected younger players from being overplayed not only due to what is mentioned above but also due to mental fatigue and burnout, especially in England. The discipline required to be a top footballer is not a joke, and younger athletes understandably may struggle with it initially.
Also, I’m an internal medicine physician so I could say I have some understanding of anatomy and medical science as you put it. Regardless, from this thread here and past experiences, you seem like a very stubborn individual who doesn’t want to consider other views.
posted on 9/3/20
We were specifically talking about Martinelli initially and he has not been played so much, or rather overplayed that he would be at risk of burn out.
A medicine physician? You mean a medical physician? I call BS considering you don't even know the proper title.
You're totally wrong again, I'm open to others views when they are not a load of trash and pretending to understand things they don't.
posted on 9/3/20
Your last comment was 2 years ago until now, you are blatantly an alt account belonging to Jenius
How embarrassing.
posted on 9/3/20
You’re uninformed, clueless and lazy.
Google is your friend.
posted on 9/3/20
Yeah you keep telling yourself that yet you are the one pretending to understand things they don't and then dictate those things to others as if you are an actual genius, when you most certainly are not.
posted on 9/3/20
I am not Kyzr. Ask admin.
posted on 9/3/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 50 seconds ago
I am not Kyzr. Ask admin.
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I don't trust the Admin here at all after their recent behaviour and activities so no thanks, also it's funny how you've just popped up seconds later.
If you actually were a real medical practitioner with a genuine understanding of sports science you would know the following:
1) Genetics plays the biggest role in dictating how physically capable a youngster is in terms of coping with the demands and strains put on their body from high level sport.
2) It's not a one shoe fits all subject like you are making it out to be. Genetically and therefore physically players are different and hence their bodies have varied coping mechanisms. Some are more prone to injury because of this.
3) Yes burn-out is a real thing of course but in the case of Martinelli he has not been played so much that he would be at risk of that, Saka maybe closer.
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