comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think people just need to actually look first at italy and why its so bad.
They basically were asleep for perhaps 3 months I don't know how long and writing off covid cases are ordinary flu/pneumonia.
They have managed by this to infect the rest of europe via tourism (would have spread anyway but there you do) and have managed to overwhelm their medical system.
lets be clear. they have 5,476 deaths or in other words 13.5% of the number of people they KNOW had the thing. nearly 60,000 infected
30% of people who get this require hospitalisation.
think about it.
the NHS will be over whelmed. The whole point of isolation and lock down is delaying the spread enough that the thing doesn't swamp us.
the problem is we have been too slow and too stupid about it. Boris didn't take it seriously and suddenly changed tack only a week ago?
lets just look at numbers
Total cases
5,683
New cases
665 last 24 hours
UK deaths
281
5% death rate so far. The minute we run our of ventilators and ability to care in ICU this will climb.
This is really serious for those who get it bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good post.
We are, in UK Ireland, at the same death rate Italy was two weeks ago, folks
5% death rate so far. The minute we run our of ventilators and ability to care in ICU this will climb.
This is really serious for those who get it bad.
---------------------------------
High level decision has already been made that if a trust run out then anyone with underlying conditions will not be given one and will die.
How do we support them if they aren’t playing?
I think for integrity you have to finish the domestic season and play all the games when it's safe to do so. Otherwise an army of lawyers from various teams, Sky and BT will be heading to the PL HQ. From Sky and BT they will want money back for games not played on Live TV and loss of revenue. For teams it will be any unjust relegation and missing of promotion or top 4.
The next season will be (which right now seems so far away) shortened however all teams know this and start on a level playing field. The PL will have to take precautions that if a 38 league season cannot finish due to another shutdown then the season is voided or a top 8 knock out competition that is a 1 game neutral ground match takes place till we have our Premier League Final match. Winners will be crowned from the one off final. Scrap the League Cup for the season and FA Cup reduce teams to 1 match game rounds. If less then 50% of the season has been played before another shutdown void the entire season.
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
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lol, imagine thinking taking away a trophy from a club that have already won it is the best solution to this.
this isn't a game any more Loco.
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol, imagine thinking taking away a trophy from a club that have already won it is the best solution to this.
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It’s only the league cup City won’t be too fussed.
There is no perfect solution otherwise we would be in agreement.
It's trying to find the best of imperfect solutions.
It has to suit the clubs, players, match goers and lastly and leastly Sky.
I don't think it can be fair to everyone.
Nobody thinks too much ab the players because they are fit, young and rich. But they co pass it on to older and poorer people?
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
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Best available scenario.
Still 4 home PL league games left plus LASK and any other in the Ropey that might come our way.
I have 2 season tickets at Old Trafford.
Still a lot of money invested into this season.
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
this isn't a game any more Loco.
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You're gonna come for our World Cup next, can't be having that.
You're gonna come for our World Cup next, can't be having that.
++
like LFC won the World Cup
World Club Championship?
Yes, we won one of those once. You are welcome to it. It's a bit of a Mickey Mouse trophy, let's face it.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
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Best available scenario.
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that makes way less sense than ending the season as is. of course sandy is on board for that.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
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Best available scenario.
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that makes way less sense than ending the season as is. of course sandy is on board for that.
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Of course he is.
Can't think why
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 21 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
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I hope you are right, but have doubts. If you are you should come on here and brag you will have earned it
Anyone who say we need to complete this season due to the integrity of the competition. But what about the integrity of next season. How can you even play a shorter season next season. Who ever won the league say only playing half a season would not be proper champions in my eyes. What about teams who take 5 6 7 games to get going. Their season who be over before it even began. Only way it would work would to completely scrap the euros. So if next season did start late would not really matter. And by the way all the major league who have to agree Spain Italy Germany ect.. what to do, Cant have every league months or even seasons behind each other.
Not sure anyone has suggested shortening the 20-21 season
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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
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no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Anyone who say we need to complete this season due to the integrity of the competition. But what about the integrity of next season. How can you even play a shorter season next season. Who ever won the league say only playing half a season would not be proper champions in my eyes. What about teams who take 5 6 7 games to get going. Their season who be over before it even began. Only way it would work would to completely scrap the euros. So if next season did start late would not really matter. And by the way all the major league who have to agree Spain Italy Germany ect.. what to do, Cant have every league months or even seasons behind each other.
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next season hasn't happened.
As the man said. it was ok for the league in 1989 to force LFC to play 8 games in 23 days to protect the so called integrity.
It should be ok now for clubs all in the same boat to finish the season togethr.
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot use unapproved medicine on mass scale otherwise you risk causing mass side effects or even killing and lots of litigation.
You can only try it on a selected sample and presenting findings and to authorities for approval (or rejection).
Currently in the sampling/testing phase. I'm quietly optimistic we'll have something by May.
Among the most positive sampling/testing is the recent chloroquine / azithromycin combination (in a French study), where 100% tested negative after 6 days compared to Chloroquine 11 days+ and placebo 15 days +. Requires bigger testing for better accuracy. Quite likely we're going to see continued reduction in deaths in Italy as these tests and trials are expanded to general severe cases (rather than just selected few).
Let's stay positive guys.
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot use unapproved medicine on mass scale otherwise you risk causing mass side effects or even killing and lots of litigation.
You can only try it on a selected sample and presenting findings and to authorities for approval (or rejection).
Currently in the sampling/testing phase. I'm quietly optimistic we'll have something by May.
Among the most positive sampling/testing is the recent chloroquine / azithromycin combination (in a French study), where 100% tested negative after 6 days compared to Chloroquine 11 days+ and placebo 15 days +. Requires bigger testing for better accuracy. Quite likely we're going to see continued reduction in deaths in Italy as these tests and trials are expanded to general severe cases (rather than just selected few).
Let's stay positive guys.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I totally agree with you about safety but exactly what i said in response to the original post......
While a drug may have been proven safe for one thing doesn't mean it is safe for use when someone is seriously ill. it does give a big head start.
First step is safety. Second step is efficacy....
If a new indication for use is being thought baout for an anti malaria drug which would be administered as a preventative measure then you will know its not toxic for exampel however you cannot know it won't have side effects on a sick person in respiratory distress.
However that being said the "don" will no doubt try to order the FDA to just go use the thing is a gross abuse of power.
The chloriquine is a big hope fo rme as I know a guy from lagos who says the shelves have been cleared there and it is effective. (quack version)
It's more likely will will see reduction in deaths in italy due to lock down rather than drugs.
I'd hope we will see that particular drug ramped up for hospitals globally but not in may. It'll be in the summer hopefully. May is 5 weeks away. theres not the data to justify a review now.
I agree with you moreinjuredthanowen. However I do think we'll have a bit more certainty/confidence on possible effective treatments by May. That's all we need at the moment to have things moving again. Right now there's not much hope.. Especially for the vulnerable.
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posted on 23/3/20
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think people just need to actually look first at italy and why its so bad.
They basically were asleep for perhaps 3 months I don't know how long and writing off covid cases are ordinary flu/pneumonia.
They have managed by this to infect the rest of europe via tourism (would have spread anyway but there you do) and have managed to overwhelm their medical system.
lets be clear. they have 5,476 deaths or in other words 13.5% of the number of people they KNOW had the thing. nearly 60,000 infected
30% of people who get this require hospitalisation.
think about it.
the NHS will be over whelmed. The whole point of isolation and lock down is delaying the spread enough that the thing doesn't swamp us.
the problem is we have been too slow and too stupid about it. Boris didn't take it seriously and suddenly changed tack only a week ago?
lets just look at numbers
Total cases
5,683
New cases
665 last 24 hours
UK deaths
281
5% death rate so far. The minute we run our of ventilators and ability to care in ICU this will climb.
This is really serious for those who get it bad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good post.
We are, in UK Ireland, at the same death rate Italy was two weeks ago, folks
posted on 23/3/20
5% death rate so far. The minute we run our of ventilators and ability to care in ICU this will climb.
This is really serious for those who get it bad.
---------------------------------
High level decision has already been made that if a trust run out then anyone with underlying conditions will not be given one and will die.
posted on 23/3/20
How do we support them if they aren’t playing?
posted on 23/3/20
I think for integrity you have to finish the domestic season and play all the games when it's safe to do so. Otherwise an army of lawyers from various teams, Sky and BT will be heading to the PL HQ. From Sky and BT they will want money back for games not played on Live TV and loss of revenue. For teams it will be any unjust relegation and missing of promotion or top 4.
The next season will be (which right now seems so far away) shortened however all teams know this and start on a level playing field. The PL will have to take precautions that if a 38 league season cannot finish due to another shutdown then the season is voided or a top 8 knock out competition that is a 1 game neutral ground match takes place till we have our Premier League Final match. Winners will be crowned from the one off final. Scrap the League Cup for the season and FA Cup reduce teams to 1 match game rounds. If less then 50% of the season has been played before another shutdown void the entire season.
posted on 23/3/20
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol, imagine thinking taking away a trophy from a club that have already won it is the best solution to this.
posted on 23/3/20
this isn't a game any more Loco.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by Loco Liverpool (U18018)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol, imagine thinking taking away a trophy from a club that have already won it is the best solution to this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s only the league cup City won’t be too fussed.
posted on 23/3/20
There is no perfect solution otherwise we would be in agreement.
It's trying to find the best of imperfect solutions.
It has to suit the clubs, players, match goers and lastly and leastly Sky.
I don't think it can be fair to everyone.
Nobody thinks too much ab the players because they are fit, young and rich. But they co pass it on to older and poorer people?
posted on 23/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best available scenario.
posted on 23/3/20
Still 4 home PL league games left plus LASK and any other in the Ropey that might come our way.
I have 2 season tickets at Old Trafford.
Still a lot of money invested into this season.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
this isn't a game any more Loco.
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You're gonna come for our World Cup next, can't be having that.
posted on 23/3/20
You're gonna come for our World Cup next, can't be having that.
++
like LFC won the World Cup
World Club Championship?
Yes, we won one of those once. You are welcome to it. It's a bit of a Mickey Mouse trophy, let's face it.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best available scenario.
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that makes way less sense than ending the season as is. of course sandy is on board for that.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cancel this season completely. Wipe it off the record books and reset in August if we can. Reset all league tables to as we were on the first day of the season back in August and lets all move forwards. The only losers here would be City as they have already won the EFL Cup. But tough on them. Nothing else has been decided yet at the top and bottom of all the leagues so nobody will possibly lose out.
No doubt some lower leagues clubs will collapse due to no income until then and that is a shame but unavoidable.
It seems that everything else in the World at the moment has to give way to this virus apart from professional sport. Its a complete farce.
And the fact that some are trying to save the Olympics in July is well, .... a complete joke, if it wasn't so tragic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best available scenario.
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that makes way less sense than ending the season as is. of course sandy is on board for that.
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Of course he is.
Can't think why
posted on 23/3/20
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 21 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope you are right, but have doubts. If you are you should come on here and brag you will have earned it
posted on 23/3/20
Anyone who say we need to complete this season due to the integrity of the competition. But what about the integrity of next season. How can you even play a shorter season next season. Who ever won the league say only playing half a season would not be proper champions in my eyes. What about teams who take 5 6 7 games to get going. Their season who be over before it even began. Only way it would work would to completely scrap the euros. So if next season did start late would not really matter. And by the way all the major league who have to agree Spain Italy Germany ect.. what to do, Cant have every league months or even seasons behind each other.
posted on 23/3/20
Not sure anyone has suggested shortening the 20-21 season
posted on 23/3/20
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posted on 23/3/20
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by (U22224)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
Anyone who say we need to complete this season due to the integrity of the competition. But what about the integrity of next season. How can you even play a shorter season next season. Who ever won the league say only playing half a season would not be proper champions in my eyes. What about teams who take 5 6 7 games to get going. Their season who be over before it even began. Only way it would work would to completely scrap the euros. So if next season did start late would not really matter. And by the way all the major league who have to agree Spain Italy Germany ect.. what to do, Cant have every league months or even seasons behind each other.
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next season hasn't happened.
As the man said. it was ok for the league in 1989 to force LFC to play 8 games in 23 days to protect the so called integrity.
It should be ok now for clubs all in the same boat to finish the season togethr.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot use unapproved medicine on mass scale otherwise you risk causing mass side effects or even killing and lots of litigation.
You can only try it on a selected sample and presenting findings and to authorities for approval (or rejection).
Currently in the sampling/testing phase. I'm quietly optimistic we'll have something by May.
Among the most positive sampling/testing is the recent chloroquine / azithromycin combination (in a French study), where 100% tested negative after 6 days compared to Chloroquine 11 days+ and placebo 15 days +. Requires bigger testing for better accuracy. Quite likely we're going to see continued reduction in deaths in Italy as these tests and trials are expanded to general severe cases (rather than just selected few).
Let's stay positive guys.
posted on 23/3/20
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
May 2020.
Within the next two weeks we'll probably see approval of effective treatment methods (as we're currently in testing phase). Treatment will cut down hospital time from 15 days + to around 6 days.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no chance. While some treatments are already approved for different uses and their side effects are known they will either need human use exemptions for small scale tests or full approval for mass market.
If some products can reduce the effects they would be pouring into italy right now. The place is an absolute disaster.
13.5% mortality rate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot use unapproved medicine on mass scale otherwise you risk causing mass side effects or even killing and lots of litigation.
You can only try it on a selected sample and presenting findings and to authorities for approval (or rejection).
Currently in the sampling/testing phase. I'm quietly optimistic we'll have something by May.
Among the most positive sampling/testing is the recent chloroquine / azithromycin combination (in a French study), where 100% tested negative after 6 days compared to Chloroquine 11 days+ and placebo 15 days +. Requires bigger testing for better accuracy. Quite likely we're going to see continued reduction in deaths in Italy as these tests and trials are expanded to general severe cases (rather than just selected few).
Let's stay positive guys.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I totally agree with you about safety but exactly what i said in response to the original post......
While a drug may have been proven safe for one thing doesn't mean it is safe for use when someone is seriously ill. it does give a big head start.
First step is safety. Second step is efficacy....
If a new indication for use is being thought baout for an anti malaria drug which would be administered as a preventative measure then you will know its not toxic for exampel however you cannot know it won't have side effects on a sick person in respiratory distress.
However that being said the "don" will no doubt try to order the FDA to just go use the thing is a gross abuse of power.
The chloriquine is a big hope fo rme as I know a guy from lagos who says the shelves have been cleared there and it is effective. (quack version)
It's more likely will will see reduction in deaths in italy due to lock down rather than drugs.
I'd hope we will see that particular drug ramped up for hospitals globally but not in may. It'll be in the summer hopefully. May is 5 weeks away. theres not the data to justify a review now.
posted on 23/3/20
I agree with you moreinjuredthanowen. However I do think we'll have a bit more certainty/confidence on possible effective treatments by May. That's all we need at the moment to have things moving again. Right now there's not much hope.. Especially for the vulnerable.
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