They haven't refused to take "any sort of pay cut". They have found the negotiations between the PL and PFA to be unsatisfactory.
They aren’t playing so shouldn’t be paid the full whack.
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So they don't get paid between the end of May and the beginning of August normally?
Will they be paid double when the league restarts?
This is the truth beyond the Suns sensalisation and the OPs one eyed view:
The Liverpool captain, Jordan Henderson, is behind plans to establish a coronavirus fund that will allow players to donate directly to frontline NHS staff. Players want to be sure clubs are not opportunistically looking to save money by reducing their pay. They have sought assurances the money will protect lower-paid colleagues and would also like owners and directors to make the same commitment. There is confusion over where the money is going. The feeling is there would be no benefit to society if the wages are simply going back to the clubs rather than to charities and frontline services.
There are many examples of players doing their bit, such as Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford raising £20m to provide meals for vulnerable children, and the rush to accuse footballers of being out of touch has led to a backlash. Wayne Rooney, who plays for Derby, used his Sunday Times column to accuse the government and the Premier League of putting footballers in a “no-win situation”. Neville, the former United and England defender, was equally critical, saying the league took too long to postpone matches and taking aim at clubs who have already used the furlough scheme.
I don’t think having their contracts fulfilled is greedy, self centred and arrogant. It’s not really as simple as comparing it to front line workers.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
They aren’t playing so shouldn’t be paid the full whack.
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So they don't get paid between the end of May and the beginning of August normally?
Will they be paid double when the league restarts?
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No.
I can understand if players are trying to ensure the money goes directly to nhs/charity and not the club- that’s fair and quite sensible. But if they are campaigning to keep their full wage then that’s just greed. Hopefully the former.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 29 seconds ago
This is the truth beyond the Suns sensalisation and the OPs one eyed view:
The Liverpool captain, Jordan Henderson, is behind plans to establish a coronavirus fund that will allow players to donate directly to frontline NHS staff. Players want to be sure clubs are not opportunistically looking to save money by reducing their pay. They have sought assurances the money will protect lower-paid colleagues and would also like owners and directors to make the same commitment. There is confusion over where the money is going. The feeling is there would be no benefit to society if the wages are simply going back to the clubs rather than to charities and frontline services.
There are many examples of players doing their bit, such as Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford raising £20m to provide meals for vulnerable children, and the rush to accuse footballers of being out of touch has led to a backlash. Wayne Rooney, who plays for Derby, used his Sunday Times column to accuse the government and the Premier League of putting footballers in a “no-win situation”. Neville, the former United and England defender, was equally critical, saying the league took too long to postpone matches and taking aim at clubs who have already used the furlough scheme.
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This is false. Especially as it comes from the sun. I am.not going off the sun 🤨
A lot of other sources more respectable than the sun claiming players are showimg utter greed and selfishness.
You said it yourself, why should they take a pay cut at all for whatever reason.
Your are of the same selfish and ignornat reasons as the players that they shouldn't be taking a pay cut regardless of anything... do one mate
That is not from the Sun, it is from the Guardian. And how is it false? Any proof it is false? You haven't given any sources for your accusations.
Where did I say they should not take a pay cut at all for whatever reason? I said they should not be forced to take pay cuts if it has a detrimental effect on the NHS, local communities etc.
Premier league footballers are not a homogeneous entity. There will be many differing angles across the board, especially as there’s a massive disparity between the highest and lowest earners. Doesn’t make it greed if the lowest earners want their contracts fulfilled. Footballers are an easy target, there are a lot more people in the country that should be under scrutiny for this situation right now, including the clubs and owners that these people play for.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Premier league footballers are not a homogeneous entity. There will be many differing angles across the board, especially as there’s a massive disparity between the highest and lowest earners. Doesn’t make it greed if the lowest earners want their contracts fulfilled. Footballers are an easy target, there are a lot more people in the country that should be under scrutiny for this situation right now, including the clubs and owners that these people play for.
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Lowest earners are still very rich compared to the average man. Apprentices and youth players fair enough, but a low pl earner still gets paid a lot.
With so many people being put on furlough leave with 80% of salary up to £2500 a month being all they get, maybe footballers should have got the same. They work in an industry that stopped as a result of the lockdown and should be treated the same as everyone else.
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 0 seconds ago
With so many people being put on furlough leave with 80% of salary up to £2500 a month being all they get, maybe footballers should have got the same. They work in an industry that stopped as a result of the lockdown and should be treated the same as everyone else.
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Indeed, they arent working (through no fault of their own) but so aren’t many many other people.
So the taxpayer should pay millions to PL footballers Baz?
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posted 1 minute ago
So the taxpayer should pay millions to PL footballers Baz?
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Not what I’m saying, tax payers shouldn’t pay anything towards footballers, that’s for the clubs to do. But like other industries, they aren’t working so fair to reduce costs by cutting their wages, and unlike people in other industries I doubt it will effect them all that much
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
Just because they get paid loads compared to the average man doesn’t mean they’re greedy for wanting, or needing, their full pay. And let’s be honest, it the alternative is that the money just goes to the club what’s exactly the problem if the club aren’t in desperate need? Until we’re privy to exactly what the contention is it’s lazy to just tag all prem footballers as greedy, selfish and arrogant.
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posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
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No-ones pitying them. We are just not slaughtering them for not giving a percentage of their wages back to the billionaires who own the clubs.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
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No-ones pitying them. We are just not slaughtering them for not giving a percentage of their wages back to the billionaires who own the clubs.
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If any cuts are made then it needs to go to the right place, and if that’s what they are trying then I’m for it, as they’d have legitimate concerns that the clubs would swallow that cut. But as I said earlier I wasn’t keeping up with the news, so I don’t know if they are doing that (like utd players did) or are trying to keep their full wage.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Just because they get paid loads compared to the average man doesn’t mean they’re greedy for wanting, or needing, their full pay. And let’s be honest, it the alternative is that the money just goes to the club what’s exactly the problem if the club aren’t in desperate need? Until we’re privy to exactly what the contention is it’s lazy to just tag all prem footballers as greedy, selfish and arrogant.
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The point is, some clubs, even in the premier league will massivley be affected finanacially by whats going..Not all owners are like Man city. Club owners have several sources of wealth were they get their money from and there is a high chance all.of their sources have been cut off or shut down, affevting their finanaces. Forget the owners involved in oil money as they may not feel.the same effect.
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
I'm in no way protecting the owners here, but i feel it would be a slap in the face to the fans and public for pkayers to refuse a pay cut, afterall without the fans, they wouldn't have a wage.
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
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And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
But the point is that the scenarios differ from club to club and player to player. You’re tagging them all with the same brush, without even knowing what the point of contention is, which is a lazy criticism. Also the vast majority of premier league owners are billionaires.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
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And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
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The only reason to ask a player to take 30% paycut is if the club is at risk and genuinely needs that money to get through this period.
I'm not saying give the owners 30% of their wage back, for the sake of it. Players earn a lot.of.money and if their club/onwer is facing troubling times paying all staff sych as canteen workers, cleaners etc etc, then those players and managers should take that cut to help the club.
It's really not that complicated
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
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And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
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The only reason to ask a player to take 30% paycut is if the club is at risk and genuinely needs that money to get through this period.
I'm not saying give the owners 30% of their wage back, for the sake of it. Players earn a lot.of.money and if their club/onwer is facing troubling times paying all staff sych as canteen workers, cleaners etc etc, then those players and managers should take that cut to help the club.
It's really not that complicated
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It is the only reason, yet it isn't the case for the majority (if not all) of the PL clubs?
The request is from the PL to the PFA, not from clubs to players. It is a blanket request.
It's really not that complicated
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In your mind maybe. The reality is it is a very complicated situation. One, that handled badly, could have an impact not only on clubs, players, staff, but also the NHS, and wider economy.
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posted on 7/4/20
They haven't refused to take "any sort of pay cut". They have found the negotiations between the PL and PFA to be unsatisfactory.
posted on 7/4/20
They aren’t playing so shouldn’t be paid the full whack.
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So they don't get paid between the end of May and the beginning of August normally?
Will they be paid double when the league restarts?
posted on 7/4/20
This is the truth beyond the Suns sensalisation and the OPs one eyed view:
The Liverpool captain, Jordan Henderson, is behind plans to establish a coronavirus fund that will allow players to donate directly to frontline NHS staff. Players want to be sure clubs are not opportunistically looking to save money by reducing their pay. They have sought assurances the money will protect lower-paid colleagues and would also like owners and directors to make the same commitment. There is confusion over where the money is going. The feeling is there would be no benefit to society if the wages are simply going back to the clubs rather than to charities and frontline services.
There are many examples of players doing their bit, such as Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford raising £20m to provide meals for vulnerable children, and the rush to accuse footballers of being out of touch has led to a backlash. Wayne Rooney, who plays for Derby, used his Sunday Times column to accuse the government and the Premier League of putting footballers in a “no-win situation”. Neville, the former United and England defender, was equally critical, saying the league took too long to postpone matches and taking aim at clubs who have already used the furlough scheme.
posted on 7/4/20
I don’t think having their contracts fulfilled is greedy, self centred and arrogant. It’s not really as simple as comparing it to front line workers.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
They aren’t playing so shouldn’t be paid the full whack.
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So they don't get paid between the end of May and the beginning of August normally?
Will they be paid double when the league restarts?
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No.
posted on 7/4/20
I can understand if players are trying to ensure the money goes directly to nhs/charity and not the club- that’s fair and quite sensible. But if they are campaigning to keep their full wage then that’s just greed. Hopefully the former.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 29 seconds ago
This is the truth beyond the Suns sensalisation and the OPs one eyed view:
The Liverpool captain, Jordan Henderson, is behind plans to establish a coronavirus fund that will allow players to donate directly to frontline NHS staff. Players want to be sure clubs are not opportunistically looking to save money by reducing their pay. They have sought assurances the money will protect lower-paid colleagues and would also like owners and directors to make the same commitment. There is confusion over where the money is going. The feeling is there would be no benefit to society if the wages are simply going back to the clubs rather than to charities and frontline services.
There are many examples of players doing their bit, such as Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford raising £20m to provide meals for vulnerable children, and the rush to accuse footballers of being out of touch has led to a backlash. Wayne Rooney, who plays for Derby, used his Sunday Times column to accuse the government and the Premier League of putting footballers in a “no-win situation”. Neville, the former United and England defender, was equally critical, saying the league took too long to postpone matches and taking aim at clubs who have already used the furlough scheme.
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This is false. Especially as it comes from the sun. I am.not going off the sun 🤨
A lot of other sources more respectable than the sun claiming players are showimg utter greed and selfishness.
You said it yourself, why should they take a pay cut at all for whatever reason.
Your are of the same selfish and ignornat reasons as the players that they shouldn't be taking a pay cut regardless of anything... do one mate
posted on 7/4/20
That is not from the Sun, it is from the Guardian. And how is it false? Any proof it is false? You haven't given any sources for your accusations.
Where did I say they should not take a pay cut at all for whatever reason? I said they should not be forced to take pay cuts if it has a detrimental effect on the NHS, local communities etc.
posted on 7/4/20
Premier league footballers are not a homogeneous entity. There will be many differing angles across the board, especially as there’s a massive disparity between the highest and lowest earners. Doesn’t make it greed if the lowest earners want their contracts fulfilled. Footballers are an easy target, there are a lot more people in the country that should be under scrutiny for this situation right now, including the clubs and owners that these people play for.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Premier league footballers are not a homogeneous entity. There will be many differing angles across the board, especially as there’s a massive disparity between the highest and lowest earners. Doesn’t make it greed if the lowest earners want their contracts fulfilled. Footballers are an easy target, there are a lot more people in the country that should be under scrutiny for this situation right now, including the clubs and owners that these people play for.
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Lowest earners are still very rich compared to the average man. Apprentices and youth players fair enough, but a low pl earner still gets paid a lot.
posted on 7/4/20
With so many people being put on furlough leave with 80% of salary up to £2500 a month being all they get, maybe footballers should have got the same. They work in an industry that stopped as a result of the lockdown and should be treated the same as everyone else.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 0 seconds ago
With so many people being put on furlough leave with 80% of salary up to £2500 a month being all they get, maybe footballers should have got the same. They work in an industry that stopped as a result of the lockdown and should be treated the same as everyone else.
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Indeed, they arent working (through no fault of their own) but so aren’t many many other people.
posted on 7/4/20
So the taxpayer should pay millions to PL footballers Baz?
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
So the taxpayer should pay millions to PL footballers Baz?
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Not what I’m saying, tax payers shouldn’t pay anything towards footballers, that’s for the clubs to do. But like other industries, they aren’t working so fair to reduce costs by cutting their wages, and unlike people in other industries I doubt it will effect them all that much
posted on 7/4/20
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
posted on 7/4/20
Just because they get paid loads compared to the average man doesn’t mean they’re greedy for wanting, or needing, their full pay. And let’s be honest, it the alternative is that the money just goes to the club what’s exactly the problem if the club aren’t in desperate need? Until we’re privy to exactly what the contention is it’s lazy to just tag all prem footballers as greedy, selfish and arrogant.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
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No-ones pitying them. We are just not slaughtering them for not giving a percentage of their wages back to the billionaires who own the clubs.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 31 seconds ago
But you just agreed with them getting 80% of their wages up to £2500 paid to them by the government.
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The sentiment, but not the reality. Ofcourse, we could just pity the poor little rich boys, like you.
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No-ones pitying them. We are just not slaughtering them for not giving a percentage of their wages back to the billionaires who own the clubs.
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If any cuts are made then it needs to go to the right place, and if that’s what they are trying then I’m for it, as they’d have legitimate concerns that the clubs would swallow that cut. But as I said earlier I wasn’t keeping up with the news, so I don’t know if they are doing that (like utd players did) or are trying to keep their full wage.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Just because they get paid loads compared to the average man doesn’t mean they’re greedy for wanting, or needing, their full pay. And let’s be honest, it the alternative is that the money just goes to the club what’s exactly the problem if the club aren’t in desperate need? Until we’re privy to exactly what the contention is it’s lazy to just tag all prem footballers as greedy, selfish and arrogant.
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The point is, some clubs, even in the premier league will massivley be affected finanacially by whats going..Not all owners are like Man city. Club owners have several sources of wealth were they get their money from and there is a high chance all.of their sources have been cut off or shut down, affevting their finanaces. Forget the owners involved in oil money as they may not feel.the same effect.
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
I'm in no way protecting the owners here, but i feel it would be a slap in the face to the fans and public for pkayers to refuse a pay cut, afterall without the fans, they wouldn't have a wage.
posted on 7/4/20
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
=====
And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
posted on 7/4/20
But the point is that the scenarios differ from club to club and player to player. You’re tagging them all with the same brush, without even knowing what the point of contention is, which is a lazy criticism. Also the vast majority of premier league owners are billionaires.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
=====
And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
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The only reason to ask a player to take 30% paycut is if the club is at risk and genuinely needs that money to get through this period.
I'm not saying give the owners 30% of their wage back, for the sake of it. Players earn a lot.of.money and if their club/onwer is facing troubling times paying all staff sych as canteen workers, cleaners etc etc, then those players and managers should take that cut to help the club.
It's really not that complicated
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
But certainly, onwers will feel an effect and it.is right to ask players to take a cut in their wage to ease the burden, especially if this cut will not affect their personl lives.
=====
And it is up to them to tell the players the situation. But some clubs are like Man City and can afford to pay all their staff. And their wage bills are high. And wages get taxed. And those taxes go to the NHS, the 80% wages paid to those furloughed, and to local communities.
And many players are involved in giving part of their wages to various charities.
30% of their wages going back to the clubs has the potential to harm this, and the players are asking the questions before committing to anything.
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The only reason to ask a player to take 30% paycut is if the club is at risk and genuinely needs that money to get through this period.
I'm not saying give the owners 30% of their wage back, for the sake of it. Players earn a lot.of.money and if their club/onwer is facing troubling times paying all staff sych as canteen workers, cleaners etc etc, then those players and managers should take that cut to help the club.
It's really not that complicated
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It is the only reason, yet it isn't the case for the majority (if not all) of the PL clubs?
The request is from the PL to the PFA, not from clubs to players. It is a blanket request.
posted on 7/4/20
It's really not that complicated
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In your mind maybe. The reality is it is a very complicated situation. One, that handled badly, could have an impact not only on clubs, players, staff, but also the NHS, and wider economy.
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