So not having seen their detailed plans who would replace Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth and on what basis?
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I assume the same system would be used to decide the Championship. That would mean West Brom and Leeds plus one other coming up in place of those three.
The PL would lose all credibility and integrity as a competition if the current bottom 3 are relegated with the table as it is
OK how could you justify that on basis of the amount of games left?
Also the third place is decided via play-offs that wouldn't happen in this case.
Cant see it getting by?
Points per game is in the UEFA guidelines so that could be the way perhaps.
Yeh ive seen that and that's why the current three would go down.
What and just if Villa won there game in hand I guess that would change it, but I know it wouldn't come into it.
That is why credibility would be lost I agree.
Points per game can't decide a play off place however you look at it.
comment by Andy Grays cc... Deano and Dalian remember utv (U4819)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeh ive seen that and that's why the current three would go down.
What and just if Villa won there game in hand I guess that would change it, but I know it wouldn't come into it.
That is why credibility would be lost I agree.
Points per game can't decide a play off place however you look at it.
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I agree credibility will be lost, but there is no way the season can be ended and credibility retained. Its gone already. That ship has sailed in my opinion.
So credability which is almost impossible or end the season? And how without causing a legal nightmare?
What happened during the war years? That would give some guidance?
Why would it cause a legal nightmare?
Because decisions would be made by EUFA Premier League etc that contradicted rules and regulations laid out by them I guess?
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posted 2 minutes ago
Because decisions would be made by EUFA Premier League etc that contradicted rules and regulations laid out by them I guess?
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In don't think they contradict the the rules. Ive read that the current situation is unprecedented and not covered in current rules so they're basically making it up as they go along.
The problem THEY have got is there isn't a scenario where every club and their fans are going to be happy, so THEY have to come up with a conclusion, its not one of those things you can push from desk to desk for eternity. So once they've made the decision the aggrieved clubs will obviously instruct their solicitors to action the decision, I'm just not sure the courts will have much appetite to get involved with changing a decision in a no win situation
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 39 minutes ago
The PL would lose all credibility and integrity as a competition if the current bottom 3 are relegated with the table as it is
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I have to disagree.
I think the majority of fans would be glad for a resolution and understand the circumstances that led to the decision.
It’d suck for the relegated sides though.
If the PL use final standings that would upset wolves, sheff utd, spurs and arsenal (plus man u if the city ban is postponed), bournemouth, villa, norwich. All could have a legal case.
If they null and void, it upsets Liverpool, Leicester, man u, sheff utd, wolves and the top 3 in the Championship. So three teams are upset either way.
Allowing the top two to come up and no relegation means the only teams left upset and with a potential legal case are Liverpool, Leicester and Fulham.
This also makes financial sense as it creates an extra 82 games which nearly covers the 91 games left that broadcasters would want a refund on.
I'm not sure Liverpool would have a legal case IF not given the title as it would be hard to show a loss of potential earnings.
I'm not saying any of it is fair but this would give the PL the least headaches.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
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But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
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But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
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If they do it for the whole league, they have to do it for ALL the leagues. If they do it for all the leagues, they have to do it for non-league as well - otherwise League Two will be short.
UEFA have paid up the Euro 2020 money to clubs to get them to sign up to this, though, so I expect some sort of aggregate points system will be worked out unless the games can be played.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
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But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
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But where have they said current standings will be used across the board? They haven't, they have said for entry into european competition.
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
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What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But where have they said current standings will be used across the board? They haven't, they have said for entry into european competition.
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I get that. My question is, if they decide to use the current standings for deciding top four, doesn't that bind then to do the same all the way down?
Can they use one option for top four and a different option for bottom three?
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posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
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What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
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I honestly am not sure. I personally think they will eventually finish the season. But the promotion is the big issue really, they could let the two automatic spots go up in each division i guess, only the prem would gain teams, the others would lose two gain two. Though don't the lower divisions have three automatic spots or has that changed?
But to relegate anyone based on two thirds of a season would be outrageous. Rewarding teams is one thing, punishing teams is something totally different.
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posted on 23/4/20
So not having seen their detailed plans who would replace Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth and on what basis?
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I assume the same system would be used to decide the Championship. That would mean West Brom and Leeds plus one other coming up in place of those three.
posted on 23/4/20
The PL would lose all credibility and integrity as a competition if the current bottom 3 are relegated with the table as it is
posted on 23/4/20
OK how could you justify that on basis of the amount of games left?
Also the third place is decided via play-offs that wouldn't happen in this case.
Cant see it getting by?
posted on 23/4/20
Points per game is in the UEFA guidelines so that could be the way perhaps.
posted on 23/4/20
Yeh ive seen that and that's why the current three would go down.
What and just if Villa won there game in hand I guess that would change it, but I know it wouldn't come into it.
That is why credibility would be lost I agree.
Points per game can't decide a play off place however you look at it.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Andy Grays cc... Deano and Dalian remember utv (U4819)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeh ive seen that and that's why the current three would go down.
What and just if Villa won there game in hand I guess that would change it, but I know it wouldn't come into it.
That is why credibility would be lost I agree.
Points per game can't decide a play off place however you look at it.
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I agree credibility will be lost, but there is no way the season can be ended and credibility retained. Its gone already. That ship has sailed in my opinion.
posted on 23/4/20
So credability which is almost impossible or end the season? And how without causing a legal nightmare?
posted on 23/4/20
What happened during the war years? That would give some guidance?
posted on 23/4/20
Why would it cause a legal nightmare?
posted on 23/4/20
Because decisions would be made by EUFA Premier League etc that contradicted rules and regulations laid out by them I guess?
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Andy Grays cc... Deano and Dalian remember utv (U4819)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because decisions would be made by EUFA Premier League etc that contradicted rules and regulations laid out by them I guess?
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In don't think they contradict the the rules. Ive read that the current situation is unprecedented and not covered in current rules so they're basically making it up as they go along.
posted on 23/4/20
The problem THEY have got is there isn't a scenario where every club and their fans are going to be happy, so THEY have to come up with a conclusion, its not one of those things you can push from desk to desk for eternity. So once they've made the decision the aggrieved clubs will obviously instruct their solicitors to action the decision, I'm just not sure the courts will have much appetite to get involved with changing a decision in a no win situation
posted on 23/4/20
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 39 minutes ago
The PL would lose all credibility and integrity as a competition if the current bottom 3 are relegated with the table as it is
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I have to disagree.
I think the majority of fans would be glad for a resolution and understand the circumstances that led to the decision.
It’d suck for the relegated sides though.
posted on 23/4/20
If the PL use final standings that would upset wolves, sheff utd, spurs and arsenal (plus man u if the city ban is postponed), bournemouth, villa, norwich. All could have a legal case.
If they null and void, it upsets Liverpool, Leicester, man u, sheff utd, wolves and the top 3 in the Championship. So three teams are upset either way.
Allowing the top two to come up and no relegation means the only teams left upset and with a potential legal case are Liverpool, Leicester and Fulham.
This also makes financial sense as it creates an extra 82 games which nearly covers the 91 games left that broadcasters would want a refund on.
I'm not sure Liverpool would have a legal case IF not given the title as it would be hard to show a loss of potential earnings.
I'm not saying any of it is fair but this would give the PL the least headaches.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they do it for the whole league, they have to do it for ALL the leagues. If they do it for all the leagues, they have to do it for non-league as well - otherwise League Two will be short.
UEFA have paid up the Euro 2020 money to clubs to get them to sign up to this, though, so I expect some sort of aggregate points system will be worked out unless the games can be played.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But where have they said current standings will be used across the board? They haven't, they have said for entry into european competition.
posted on 23/4/20
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
posted on 23/4/20
Righto
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
sauce?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Think you are completely misreading it. UEFA are only laying out guidelines for who goes into European competition.
There is zero chance of the league taking current standings to relegate teams.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But if they were to go with current standings? So current standings for 17 teams and then do something different for the bottom three?
If they do that it will have to be for the whole league, no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But where have they said current standings will be used across the board? They haven't, they have said for entry into european competition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I get that. My question is, if they decide to use the current standings for deciding top four, doesn't that bind then to do the same all the way down?
Can they use one option for top four and a different option for bottom three?
posted on 23/4/20
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
sauce?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Common sense, intelligence, brains.
Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly am not sure. I personally think they will eventually finish the season. But the promotion is the big issue really, they could let the two automatic spots go up in each division i guess, only the prem would gain teams, the others would lose two gain two. Though don't the lower divisions have three automatic spots or has that changed?
But to relegate anyone based on two thirds of a season would be outrageous. Rewarding teams is one thing, punishing teams is something totally different.
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