I don’t think it’s about having sympathy with him, no one is saying what he has done is fair. But the media attack is something completely uncalled for. What I read in the sun newspaper was borderline psychopathic. Stalking his whereabouts to the exact minute, are they really that bored?

Only just read Sun article you refer to, but I'm glad I did, it show his behaviour to be even worse, drove from Cheshire to Yorkshire to his sisters for a party, then drove to his mums to pick up food, then back home to go out for a cycle with his mate.

Celebrities are always going to be focus of attention for the press, even more so when they're transgressed.

I personally don't read the sun, don't know if this is the article you're referring to, but I'm really not sure that I seethe as harassment:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11574803/kyle-walker-breaks-lockdown-three-times-24-hours/

If he was out and about sticking to rules and press making stories out of that when he's doing nothing wrong then maybe he would have a case for that, but not in this situation.

Some people are now missing loved ones permanently due to this pandemic never mind being kept away temporarily by strict rules. Never having the chance to say goodbye.

So what would they give to be back in the position most people are having to cope with?

How do you think they feel when they see or hear about stupid people like Kyle Walker ignoring the rules?

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 minutes ago
Only just read Sun article you refer to, but I'm glad I did, it show his behaviour to be even worse, drove from Cheshire to Yorkshire to his sisters for a party, then drove to his mums to pick up food, then back home to go out for a cycle with his mate.

Celebrities are always going to be focus of attention for the press, even more so when they're transgressed.

I personally don't read the sun, don't know if this is the article you're referring to, but I'm really not sure that I seethe as harassment:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11574803/kyle-walker-breaks-lockdown-three-times-24-hours/

If he was out and about sticking to rules and press making stories out of that when he's doing nothing wrong then maybe he would have a case for that, but not in this situation.
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Yeah stalking him door to door, to the exact minute is perfectly acceptable.

Where’s the proof that he had a party?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11329263/kyle-walker-sex-party-coronavirus-lockdown-hookers-man-city/

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 39 seconds ago
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11329263/kyle-walker-sex-party-coronavirus-lockdown-hookers-man-city/
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That’s not the party they refer to in the article, they say he went to his sisters for a party. If you think dropping off a birthday present and card is a party.

Let the club deal with him appropriately, no need to drag his family through it with him, utterly ridiculous.

You asked about proof of party he had, it’s there in the link, as for party his sister had it’s there in the other link.

Already knew about the party with the hookers. But I still don’t see any evidence he had a party with his sister, I suppose for you if you see something in a newspaper article you must believe it?

Simple question, do you think that Kyle walker did not drive to his sister and his parents?

If you read up ive already said what he did was not fair and that the club will deal with him appropriately. That’s not my argument at all, so not sure where you want to go with this.

What you started off saying was that thousands must be doing it, maybe because your coach and players have been caught out at it you feel a need to justify it.

I think most people get it, he’s done wrong, dies t look good for him and football, it’s yourself who wants to make it a mission about the press.

What I said was i think the witch hunt on his family and the stalking of him everywhere he went is completely uncalled for.

I'm not suggesting what he did was right, neither with the Tottenham players. I'm not excusing anyone's behaviour.

If Kyle Walker has felt compelled enough to come out and make a statement about it, then obviously it's a big deal.

Let the club deal with him.

It’s not a witch hunt though is it? He’s a repeat offender who has already been ‘dealt with’ by his club. But the worst part isn’t that he’s done it, it’s the arrogance he’s shown since being caught, AGAIN

Your opinion I suppose. This country has much more important things to worry about than someone driving to pick up food.

Its the old work thing isn't it?..

He's a sports personality and earns well with it, but, at the same time his job is to lead by example!..

Things he's doing if in a normal job he'd just be called an idiot, but he's in a job that puts him in the spotlight and is easy pickings for the press, and that being the case he has to lead by example!..

To many people look up to these people and the younger generation see them as what they want to be!..

Agreed it was a silly thing to do

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 minutes ago
Only just read Sun article you refer to, but I'm glad I did, it show his behaviour to be even worse, drove from Cheshire to Yorkshire to his sisters for a party, then drove to his mums to pick up food, then back home to go out for a cycle with his mate.

Celebrities are always going to be focus of attention for the press, even more so when they're transgressed.

I personally don't read the sun, don't know if this is the article you're referring to, but I'm really not sure that I seethe as harassment:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11574803/kyle-walker-breaks-lockdown-three-times-24-hours/

If he was out and about sticking to rules and press making stories out of that when he's doing nothing wrong then maybe he would have a case for that, but not in this situation.
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Yeah stalking him door to door, to the exact minute is perfectly acceptable.
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It’s not illegal. Breaking lockdown is.

I have no time for journalists who act in this way but equally him being followed does not excuse his actions. And I certainly wouldn’t use it as some ‘whataboutery’ mitigation.

Unless they were literally sitting outside his house and trailed him I guess - that would be breaking lockdown as well

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 minutes ago
Only just read Sun article you refer to, but I'm glad I did, it show his behaviour to be even worse, drove from Cheshire to Yorkshire to his sisters for a party, then drove to his mums to pick up food, then back home to go out for a cycle with his mate.

Celebrities are always going to be focus of attention for the press, even more so when they're transgressed.

I personally don't read the sun, don't know if this is the article you're referring to, but I'm really not sure that I seethe as harassment:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11574803/kyle-walker-breaks-lockdown-three-times-24-hours/

If he was out and about sticking to rules and press making stories out of that when he's doing nothing wrong then maybe he would have a case for that, but not in this situation.
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Yeah stalking him door to door, to the exact minute is perfectly acceptable.
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It’s not illegal. Breaking lockdown is.

I have no time for journalists who act in this way but equally him being followed does not excuse his actions. And I certainly wouldn’t use it as some ‘whataboutery’ mitigation.
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Not once did I excuse his actions. But there are literally thousands of people up and down the country breaking lockdown rules. Kyle will be dealt with by his club, I'm sure many thousands more will simply get away with it.

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 2 minutes ago

Not once did I excuse his actions. But there are literally thousands of people up and down the country breaking lockdown rules. Kyle will be dealt with by his club, I'm sure many thousands more will simply get away with it.


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Ok, maybe I misinterpreted your posts and if so I apologise. But tbh, when you say he's not doing anything thousands of others aren't, it does sound like you're excusing his actions.

comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 29 minutes ago
Your opinion I suppose. This country has much more important things to worry about than someone driving to pick up food.
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If every single person in the country was like Kyle Walker then I don’t see what problem could be bigger?

comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 2 minutes ago

Not once did I excuse his actions. But there are literally thousands of people up and down the country breaking lockdown rules. Kyle will be dealt with by his club, I'm sure many thousands more will simply get away with it.


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Ok, maybe I misinterpreted your posts and if so I apologise. But tbh, when you say he's not doing anything thousands of others aren't, it does sound like you're excusing his actions.
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It’s what you hear all the time...well they park there why can’t I, well he did so what’s wrong if I do it...

Big problem
In society is lack of responsibility and it’s generally underpinned by this sort of apathetic attitude and then we wonder why kids vandalise or mug....it’s because they see adults not calling out bad behaviour.

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Why when a footballer does something are footballers as a group chastised?
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Because it's easy.

Like I said I dont actually see a problem with what he has done here, im not saying he isint wrong but that I cant judge him on it. The reason for that is because in my job I have to spend a lot of my time looking at things in gray, rather than black and white, as we want to do here.

People look at this from a perspective of rich privilege and think because he is some rich footballer with a nice house he should be able to handle isolation no problem, however just cause you are rich dosent mean you ain't got stuff going on in your head, or that you are able to handle this situation better than other people, and unfortunately that lack of being able to cope can lead to situation where people dont/cant follow isolation guidelines.

The statement he put out to the press makes interesting reading and while I cant say for certain there are certainly things within it that make my safeguarding senses tingle, going to his sisters because he needed to see her as she is someone who he trusts and help keeps him grounded for example is a big one and if a student wrote something like that it would be a big red flag.

Cant say for certain but maybe the hour and a half drive to his parents was a coping mechanism for him, clear his head on the drive as it were, remember just because he is some rich footballer dosent mean he cant suffer from mental health issues, and that these can be brought about by situations like this, and its clear in that letter that he could well be suffering.

Like I said I look at it like that cause I have to see in gray, I teach in one of the most socially deprived areas in the county and unfortunately that affects a lot of my kids home lives, I know that some of them are breaking self isolation, but then again staying at home could put themselves or their family in danger, now what are my options, judge them and report them to the police for it, or find other ways and other people and organisations to help deal with the issue rather than just punishing them for it?

Most people understand that the second option is the better one, it's only people who want to judge everyone by their own standards and arnt mature enough to understand that people are complex and arnt perfect so can struggle, even when you think they shouldn't cause they are rich and have anything they want when compared to the rest of us.

All I've done here is take how I think about one situation and apply to the other - hence I cant say he is wrong cause people are not, nor will ever be perfect.

comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 7 minutes ago

Because it's easy.

Like I said I dont actually see a problem with what he has done here, im not saying he isint wrong but that I cant judge him on it. The reason for that is because in my job I have to spend a lot of my time looking at things in gray, rather than black and white, as we want to do here.

People look at this from a perspective of rich privilege and think because he is some rich footballer with a nice house he should be able to handle isolation no problem, however just cause you are rich dosent mean you ain't got stuff going on in your head, or that you are able to handle this situation better than other people, and unfortunately that lack of being able to cope can lead to situation where people dont/cant follow isolation guidelines.

The statement he put out to the press makes interesting reading and while I cant say for certain there are certainly things within it that make my safeguarding senses tingle, going to his sisters because he needed to see her as she is someone who he trusts and help keeps him grounded for example is a big one and if a student wrote something like that it would be a big red flag.

Cant say for certain but maybe the hour and a half drive to his parents was a coping mechanism for him, clear his head on the drive as it were, remember just because he is some rich footballer dosent mean he cant suffer from mental health issues, and that these can be brought about by situations like this, and its clear in that letter that he could well be suffering.

Like I said I look at it like that cause I have to see in gray, I teach in one of the most socially deprived areas in the county and unfortunately that affects a lot of my kids home lives, I know that some of them are breaking self isolation, but then again staying at home could put themselves or their family in danger, now what are my options, judge them and report them to the police for it, or find other ways and other people and organisations to help deal with the issue rather than just punishing them for it?

Most people understand that the second option is the better one, it's only people who want to judge everyone by their own standards and arnt mature enough to understand that people are complex and arnt perfect so can struggle, even when you think they shouldn't cause they are rich and have anything they want when compared to the rest of us.

All I've done here is take how I think about one situation and apply to the other - hence I cant say he is wrong cause people are not, nor will ever be perfect.

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Great post. I don't agree with everything but I do agree with much of it.

Money and fame doesn't buy you immunity from mental health issues or enable you to handle stressful situations any better or worse than the average person. It does however buy you options to deal with it.

An old school friend of mine is a psychotherapist and is really busy still speaking to people struggling to deal with a multitude of lockdown related issues. Walker has options for professional support. I'm sure the club would have given full support as well. The support network might be virtual instead of physical but he has options.

I actually have a lot more sympathy with families being locked down in deprived areas. What options do they have? Precious few.

I get what you're saying but I still think you're being very generous in you assessment, especially after the previous 'party' it's reported he held.