Here:
“IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago”
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Thanks. Can you read?
First you said I was comparing Hargreaves at United, that didn't work now your comparing Keita at Liverpool.
That should be the end of it. It is for me. Thanks.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 56 seconds ago
Here:
“IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago”
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Thanks. Can you read?
First you said I was comparing Hargreaves at United, that didn't work now your comparing Keita at Liverpool.
That should be the end of it. It is for me. Thanks.
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The article is about whether Keita has been a flop at Liverpool.
The list literally says it.
Therefore you were comparing Keita at Liverpool with Hargreaves.
My comment: IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago. I'm not making a comparison in quality of player, more their circumstances with the frustrating injury situation.
Allegation by Winston: You compared his time at Liverpool with Hargreaves.
Yeah, case closed OP.
Person lists Keita at Liverpool as a flop.
Thor says 'having Keita on the list is like having Hargreaves on the list'.
Thor then denies comparing Keita at Liverpool with Hargreaves and claims he was referring to his time at Leipzig.
If i may add I feel despite his injuries his impact in the one season was so immense I (and I think many utd fans) will choose to sign Hargreaves again if we went back in time.
I compared Keita at Liverpool to Hargreaves at United.
Transfermarkt again.
Looks like the two are very comparable. As pointed out in another thread, both players were able to play more games in Germany and suffered worse in England, but so far the two are comparable in terms of their fitness situation like I said.
Looks like what I said was right and what Winston accusing me of saying is also right. Looks like I can't be wrong no matter what. This kind of coincidence is the point you realise that you're trying to fight nature and ultimately you lose by what looks like magic.
Is that the closest we'll ever come to you actually conceding that you made a mistake?
"Looks like what I said was right"
Sorry, but no. It wasn't.
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
Keita has suffered with injuries but has been in and out of the matchday squad and even when fit, for a reasonably prolonged period, is getting minimal game time - there's no suggestion he is a key member of the team at present.
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
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So you say. I checked their respective stats and they're very comparable in terms of time spent on the sidelines and minuted managed on the pitch. The link won't post for some reason but you can find the stats for yourself.
Thank for your POI but I'll go with cold hard facts which prove me right again.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 59 seconds ago
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
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So you say. I checked their respective stats and they're very comparable in terms of time spent on the sidelines and minuted managed on the pitch. The link won't post for some reason but you can find the stats for yourself.
Thank for your POI but I'll go with cold hard facts which prove me right again.
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Any comparison overall ignores the situations as they were.
Hargreaves played a lot and then not at all.
Keita has played a bit here and there on an ongoing basis and continues to do so.
The cold hard facts prove you wrong - despite you trying to spin them otherwise.
Its unfortunate for you that the words you force into my mouth always turn out to be true, leaving me looking like a genius.
At this point I'd be questioning whether it's just bad luck or some juju I might be using. I couldn't be wrong when dealing with you even if I tried.
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
I think your ability to asses football has impacted your (rubbish) assessment
Fred has been great this season.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
Jesus, this guy is pathetic.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
If Keith had Freds ability to stay fit and keep his head up, you'd have some player.
Gotta agree though. Fred just doesn't look an united player to me. Well below the standard needed in terms of ability. Puts in a shift though in an age when that.'s become a luxury. He is much worse than united's Scottish lad imo
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
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I have posted it.
You're just stalling.
What do you want evidence of exactly?
You haven't provided a shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, have you?
I would rather have Fred who isn't great but is able to actually play, despite Keita being a better player. No point being a better player if you can't get on the pitch.
Hopefully this break has done Keita good. If not, I can see him gone by the end of next season.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
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I have posted it.
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You haven't. If you had then you'd have posted it again just now
You're just stalling.
What do you want evidence of exactly?
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Whatever it is your claiming.
You haven't provided a shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, have you?
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Yes, I did, in this and the other thread where I provided stats and their source. Over two threads and hundreds of comments, no one has actually replied to the facts and stats I posted on the other thread because they are infallible. All I'm seeing is "you said Hargreaves this, you said Hargreaves that".
I've proved beyond doubt everything I've claimed. All you've done is jest around the place posting Smokey's, nonsense and nothing of substance. You should try this evidence thing. It works.
Your stats listed the time Keita has been injured this season and last, with the number of games he has missed.
I posted the stats for Hargreaves.
You've already proven yourself wrong because your stats show a player who has been in and out of the squad due to injury over two seasons and who is struggling to get any game time when he's fits.
The stats for Hargreaves show a player who was a key first team player until a bad injury effectively ended his United career after the first season.
Very different.
Let me know which bit you're struggling with.
People clearly haven’t watched Fred this season if they think he lacks ability and has only performed in a handful of games.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
I would rather have Fred who isn't great but is able to actually play, despite Keita being a better player. No point being a better player if you can't get on the pitch.
Hopefully this break has done Keita good. If not, I can see him gone by the end of next season.
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posted on 18/5/20
Here:
“IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago”
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Thanks. Can you read?
First you said I was comparing Hargreaves at United, that didn't work now your comparing Keita at Liverpool.
That should be the end of it. It is for me. Thanks.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 56 seconds ago
Here:
“IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago”
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Thanks. Can you read?
First you said I was comparing Hargreaves at United, that didn't work now your comparing Keita at Liverpool.
That should be the end of it. It is for me. Thanks.
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The article is about whether Keita has been a flop at Liverpool.
The list literally says it.
Therefore you were comparing Keita at Liverpool with Hargreaves.
posted on 18/5/20
My comment: IMO having Keita on this list is like having Hargreaves on a similar list all those years ago. I'm not making a comparison in quality of player, more their circumstances with the frustrating injury situation.
Allegation by Winston: You compared his time at Liverpool with Hargreaves.
Yeah, case closed OP.
posted on 18/5/20
Person lists Keita at Liverpool as a flop.
Thor says 'having Keita on the list is like having Hargreaves on the list'.
Thor then denies comparing Keita at Liverpool with Hargreaves and claims he was referring to his time at Leipzig.
posted on 18/5/20
If i may add I feel despite his injuries his impact in the one season was so immense I (and I think many utd fans) will choose to sign Hargreaves again if we went back in time.
posted on 18/5/20
I compared Keita at Liverpool to Hargreaves at United.
Transfermarkt again.
Looks like the two are very comparable. As pointed out in another thread, both players were able to play more games in Germany and suffered worse in England, but so far the two are comparable in terms of their fitness situation like I said.
Looks like what I said was right and what Winston accusing me of saying is also right. Looks like I can't be wrong no matter what. This kind of coincidence is the point you realise that you're trying to fight nature and ultimately you lose by what looks like magic.
posted on 18/5/20
Is that the closest we'll ever come to you actually conceding that you made a mistake?
"Looks like what I said was right"
Sorry, but no. It wasn't.
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
Keita has suffered with injuries but has been in and out of the matchday squad and even when fit, for a reasonably prolonged period, is getting minimal game time - there's no suggestion he is a key member of the team at present.
posted on 18/5/20
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
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So you say. I checked their respective stats and they're very comparable in terms of time spent on the sidelines and minuted managed on the pitch. The link won't post for some reason but you can find the stats for yourself.
Thank for your POI but I'll go with cold hard facts which prove me right again.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 59 seconds ago
Hargreaves played as a key member of the team in his first season at United, then his injury basically ruined his career and he barely ever played again.
-----
So you say. I checked their respective stats and they're very comparable in terms of time spent on the sidelines and minuted managed on the pitch. The link won't post for some reason but you can find the stats for yourself.
Thank for your POI but I'll go with cold hard facts which prove me right again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Any comparison overall ignores the situations as they were.
Hargreaves played a lot and then not at all.
Keita has played a bit here and there on an ongoing basis and continues to do so.
The cold hard facts prove you wrong - despite you trying to spin them otherwise.
posted on 18/5/20
Its unfortunate for you that the words you force into my mouth always turn out to be true, leaving me looking like a genius.
At this point I'd be questioning whether it's just bad luck or some juju I might be using. I couldn't be wrong when dealing with you even if I tried.
posted on 18/5/20
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
posted on 18/5/20
I think your ability to asses football has impacted your (rubbish) assessment
Fred has been great this season.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
posted on 18/5/20
Jesus, this guy is pathetic.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
posted on 18/5/20
If Keith had Freds ability to stay fit and keep his head up, you'd have some player.
Gotta agree though. Fred just doesn't look an united player to me. Well below the standard needed in terms of ability. Puts in a shift though in an age when that.'s become a luxury. He is much worse than united's Scottish lad imo
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
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I have posted it.
You're just stalling.
What do you want evidence of exactly?
You haven't provided a shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, have you?
posted on 18/5/20
I would rather have Fred who isn't great but is able to actually play, despite Keita being a better player. No point being a better player if you can't get on the pitch.
Hopefully this break has done Keita good. If not, I can see him gone by the end of next season.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
And there's the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point but is aimed at trying to 'win' a debate he's clearly lost.
Happens every single time.
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No, the first meaningless post that fails to address a single point.
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Eh?
You just repeated what I said but prefaced it with 'no'.
This is what you do. Lose the debate and then take it off topic into a cycle of nothingness.
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I thought it wasn't about losing or winning? Anyway, come back once you find evidence to show I'm wrong.
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You've been presented with lots of evidence, which is why you're going down this road instead of actually discussing the point.
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I've asked you to post said evidence numerous times. If there was you would have by now.
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I have posted it.
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You haven't. If you had then you'd have posted it again just now
You're just stalling.
What do you want evidence of exactly?
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Whatever it is your claiming.
You haven't provided a shred of evidence to back up your ridiculous claims, have you?
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Yes, I did, in this and the other thread where I provided stats and their source. Over two threads and hundreds of comments, no one has actually replied to the facts and stats I posted on the other thread because they are infallible. All I'm seeing is "you said Hargreaves this, you said Hargreaves that".
I've proved beyond doubt everything I've claimed. All you've done is jest around the place posting Smokey's, nonsense and nothing of substance. You should try this evidence thing. It works.
posted on 18/5/20
Your stats listed the time Keita has been injured this season and last, with the number of games he has missed.
I posted the stats for Hargreaves.
You've already proven yourself wrong because your stats show a player who has been in and out of the squad due to injury over two seasons and who is struggling to get any game time when he's fits.
The stats for Hargreaves show a player who was a key first team player until a bad injury effectively ended his United career after the first season.
Very different.
Let me know which bit you're struggling with.
posted on 18/5/20
People clearly haven’t watched Fred this season if they think he lacks ability and has only performed in a handful of games.
posted on 18/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
I would rather have Fred who isn't great but is able to actually play, despite Keita being a better player. No point being a better player if you can't get on the pitch.
Hopefully this break has done Keita good. If not, I can see him gone by the end of next season.
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Agreed.
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