I guess some players don't agree with mixing sport and politics. That would be the only reason as to why they wouldn't take a knee.
Imagine the uproar if a player didn't?
Not sure that this is anything other than an empty gesture for most people, my colleague describes being hit on the head by a brick thrown by a racist neighbour when she was 7, another colleague tells about people not sitting next to her on a packed tube because of the colour of her skin. "Taking a knee" does nothing to address the underlying issues of what it is like to be black in a modern Britain, that turns a blind eye to covert racism and racial discrimination.
I am not sure what the answer is but I am damn sure going down on one knee, once a week, isn't it.
comment by Elsbels - OnOnOn (U21658)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not sure that this is anything other than an empty gesture for most people, my colleague describes being hit on the head by a brick thrown by a racist neighbour when she was 7, another colleague tells about people not sitting next to her on a packed tube because of the colour of her skin. "Taking a knee" does nothing to address the underlying issues of what it is like to be black in a modern Britain, that turns a blind eye to covert racism and racial discrimination.
I am not sure what the answer is but I am damn sure going down on one knee, once a week, isn't it.
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I don't think anyone thinks that taking a knee solves racism
But it gets people talking about it. Starting the discussion is the first step to taking action.
Admin, can you do something about the idiot above, he is breaking the law
Lets start a counter protest where we get the players too raise one arm too support are statues and veterens let me guess they wont allow that
Kallman above I mean, his grammar and spelling is reflective of his general intelligence, guy is a low life.
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
I don't think anyone thinks that taking a knee solves racism
But it gets people talking about it. Starting the discussion is the first step to taking action.
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You think anything will change because of "taking the knee"? You think this debate hasn't been raging for ages?
It might raise some people's awareness a little bit but if you weren't aware of discrimination before Makaroni then where have you been, surely most people have been aware for ever and it has changed nothing.
I didn't like the idea of taking the knee to begin with tbh, as it was a political statement about a specific thing.
Now that it has taken on additional meaning though, I don't see any issue with it.
Free speech they should be aloud too not take a knee and they should ban taking a knee you get band from stadium's for being racist why are anti-racists aloud to express themself's and they dont get in trouble one rule for one side and another for the other side pc gone mad
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
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Naive to say the least.
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comment by Elsbels - OnOnOn (U21658)
posted 1 minute ago
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
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Naive to say the least.
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The topic is being discussed all over the western world, and has been at the forefront of public discourse (off and online).
Have you been living under a rock?
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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That seems to be a view held by some player's I've seen on social media - showing solidarity
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
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Well it is. Who gets people to kneel?
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Its not the same thing as kneeling before a king or something, it's a symbol of the movement based on Kappernick taking a knee for the American anthem.
If you can't see the difference fair enough.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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And don't you see how bad that is? It's not about racism it's about conformity.
Hmmm, should I go there ... yeah why not... It's how the Natzis started. 😂😂😂
Sorry. 😶
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You are conflating conformity with empathy/solidarity.
Conforming to an action, against free will, is completely different to a team mate choosing to take a knee.
By either showing solidarity with events in the US, or empathising with a team mate who may at some point, been subjected to racial abuse.
That's the dividing line for me though. If it is to show solidarity with events in the US, then it shouldn't be happening.
If it is in the wider context of a stance against racism, then it should.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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And don't you see how bad that is? It's not about racism it's about conformity.
Hmmm, should I go there ... yeah why not... It's how the Natzis started. 😂😂😂
Sorry. 😶
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Yer I'm normally a contrary facker but I just think that feelings are running so high at the moment its best to conform.
Plus if you've got good mates within the squad who are black I'm sure that would shape your judgement.
empathy is a myth made up by the hard left to try and control us
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
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Well it is. Who gets people to kneel?
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Its not the same thing as kneeling before a king or something, it's a symbol of the movement based on Kappernick taking a knee for the American anthem.
If you can't see the difference fair enough.
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Kneeling has had connotations for subservience for centuries.
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Yes but that's not what this is about, kneeling down has loads of connotations, praying, getting engaged etc. It's not just about kneeling before a ruler.
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posted on 18/6/20
I guess some players don't agree with mixing sport and politics. That would be the only reason as to why they wouldn't take a knee.
Imagine the uproar if a player didn't?
posted on 18/6/20
Not sure that this is anything other than an empty gesture for most people, my colleague describes being hit on the head by a brick thrown by a racist neighbour when she was 7, another colleague tells about people not sitting next to her on a packed tube because of the colour of her skin. "Taking a knee" does nothing to address the underlying issues of what it is like to be black in a modern Britain, that turns a blind eye to covert racism and racial discrimination.
I am not sure what the answer is but I am damn sure going down on one knee, once a week, isn't it.
posted on 18/6/20
comment by Elsbels - OnOnOn (U21658)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not sure that this is anything other than an empty gesture for most people, my colleague describes being hit on the head by a brick thrown by a racist neighbour when she was 7, another colleague tells about people not sitting next to her on a packed tube because of the colour of her skin. "Taking a knee" does nothing to address the underlying issues of what it is like to be black in a modern Britain, that turns a blind eye to covert racism and racial discrimination.
I am not sure what the answer is but I am damn sure going down on one knee, once a week, isn't it.
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I don't think anyone thinks that taking a knee solves racism
But it gets people talking about it. Starting the discussion is the first step to taking action.
posted on 18/6/20
Admin, can you do something about the idiot above, he is breaking the law
posted on 18/6/20
Lets start a counter protest where we get the players too raise one arm too support are statues and veterens let me guess they wont allow that
posted on 18/6/20
Kallman above I mean, his grammar and spelling is reflective of his general intelligence, guy is a low life.
posted on 18/6/20
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
posted on 18/6/20
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
posted on 18/6/20
I don't think anyone thinks that taking a knee solves racism
But it gets people talking about it. Starting the discussion is the first step to taking action.
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You think anything will change because of "taking the knee"? You think this debate hasn't been raging for ages?
It might raise some people's awareness a little bit but if you weren't aware of discrimination before Makaroni then where have you been, surely most people have been aware for ever and it has changed nothing.
posted on 18/6/20
I didn't like the idea of taking the knee to begin with tbh, as it was a political statement about a specific thing.
Now that it has taken on additional meaning though, I don't see any issue with it.
posted on 18/6/20
Free speech they should be aloud too not take a knee and they should ban taking a knee you get band from stadium's for being racist why are anti-racists aloud to express themself's and they dont get in trouble one rule for one side and another for the other side pc gone mad
posted on 18/6/20
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
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Naive to say the least.
posted on 18/6/20
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posted on 18/6/20
comment by Elsbels - OnOnOn (U21658)
posted 1 minute ago
The fact that people are engaging/addressing the issue, demonstrates the "taking a knee" gesture is working.
Whether certain individuals chose to partake or not is a personal choice.
If the campaign helps implement change, challenge perceptions/views, then it can't be a bad thing.
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Naive to say the least.
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The topic is being discussed all over the western world, and has been at the forefront of public discourse (off and online).
Have you been living under a rock?
posted on 18/6/20
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
posted on 18/6/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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That seems to be a view held by some player's I've seen on social media - showing solidarity
posted on 18/6/20
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posted on 18/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
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Well it is. Who gets people to kneel?
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Its not the same thing as kneeling before a king or something, it's a symbol of the movement based on Kappernick taking a knee for the American anthem.
If you can't see the difference fair enough.
posted on 18/6/20
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posted on 18/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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And don't you see how bad that is? It's not about racism it's about conformity.
Hmmm, should I go there ... yeah why not... It's how the Natzis started. 😂😂😂
Sorry. 😶
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You are conflating conformity with empathy/solidarity.
Conforming to an action, against free will, is completely different to a team mate choosing to take a knee.
By either showing solidarity with events in the US, or empathising with a team mate who may at some point, been subjected to racial abuse.
posted on 18/6/20
That's the dividing line for me though. If it is to show solidarity with events in the US, then it shouldn't be happening.
If it is in the wider context of a stance against racism, then it should.
posted on 18/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Whether I agreed with it or not I would do it as I would want to show solidarity with my black team mates and enjoy a quiet life. Can you imagine the grief any player who doesn't take part is now going to get.
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And don't you see how bad that is? It's not about racism it's about conformity.
Hmmm, should I go there ... yeah why not... It's how the Natzis started. 😂😂😂
Sorry. 😶
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Yer I'm normally a contrary facker but I just think that feelings are running so high at the moment its best to conform.
Plus if you've got good mates within the squad who are black I'm sure that would shape your judgement.
posted on 18/6/20
empathy is a myth made up by the hard left to try and control us
posted on 18/6/20
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posted on 18/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don’t see what the issue is with taking a knee itself
Male ego I suppose
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I'd agree, people are conflating the idea of taking a knee as subservant for some reason.
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Well it is. Who gets people to kneel?
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Its not the same thing as kneeling before a king or something, it's a symbol of the movement based on Kappernick taking a knee for the American anthem.
If you can't see the difference fair enough.
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Kneeling has had connotations for subservience for centuries.
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Yes but that's not what this is about, kneeling down has loads of connotations, praying, getting engaged etc. It's not just about kneeling before a ruler.
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