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posted on 7/7/20

Was listening to them saying that he's all about mental positivity and strength as much as anything but that he's achieved 5 promotions.

An interesting change and I'm certain the Peter Lawwell had a hand in it as he does with all things.

posted on 7/7/20

Hearts behaviour is atrocious

I completely understand that there was no easy solution and unfortunately any decision was going to leave clubs unhappy.

Hearts claim is that they have been unfairly treated by self protective vote (which is absolutely true), however, they then go on this legal course purely for self interest. They don't give a monley's about Partick (it just helps to have an ally) and importantly they don't give a monkeys about the likes of Dundee Utd who have earned their promotion.

Would Hearts vote to give D Utd money if the promotion was declined? Of course not.

I have no objection to Hearts getting a form of recompense. No matter how unlikely they still had a chance of escaping relegation and so their relegation should be countered with ensuring they are not financially impacted worse than any other club during this pandemic.

I'm not sure on Tynecastle attendances but I'd guess they had dropped off long before the pandemic kicked off due to playing badly but if,as expected, they are challenging for the Championship title then their crowds will go up and therefore their revenue too.

No, Partick are the biggest losers as they genuinely had an opportunity to get out of the relegation places

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
Was listening to them saying that he's all about mental positivity and strength as much as anything but that he's achieved 5 promotions.

An interesting change and I'm certain the Peter Lawwell had a hand in it as he does with all things.
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The puppetmaster

Probably because we're Dundee Hibs or something.

posted on 7/7/20

Call Sign, totally agree with that

posted on 7/7/20

Starting to backfire on Hearts but as sure as God made little green apples, they will be given some considerable compensation as they have recourse again to the courts should arbitration fail to have the two sides agree.

So if they aren't content with what they are offered they will just hold the entire league to ransom by preventing the season from starting. I could be well wrong on that but it's my limited understanding as things stand now.

So, we all cough up and give them millions which each club will proportionately have to share, or

....they go back to court, delay the league start; it still costs millions but even more legal costs which again every club will have to take proportionately and then there's is the very real chance that clubs will go to the wall and even more staff made redundant while the legal process takes its course.

Not a very palatable choice either way and for those who think giving Hearts all their support to GIRU the SPFL, I'm not sure they are really considering the cost implications to their own club.

As ever etc...

posted on 7/7/20

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
Was listening to them saying that he's all about mental positivity and strength as much as anything but that he's achieved 5 promotions.

An interesting change and I'm certain the Peter Lawwell had a hand in it as he does with all things.
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The puppetmaster

Probably because we're Dundee Hibs or something.
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It's just mental now.

Grown men suggesting that Lennon demanded the rangers game be put back and the SPFL duly obliged because Lawwell has them, the SFA and UEFA at his bidding

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 7/7/20

Thistle should never of been relegated, total disgrace that they were.

Hearts hmmm I reckon they'd of still stayed up, Ross county were in free fall

Dundee Utd don't deserve to get punished for this, just hope we can get it all sorted out asap

posted on 7/7/20

Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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Far too obvious and sensible solution for it ever to work

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)

posted on 7/7/20

I'm sure Celtic said they supported a 1 or 2 year expansion to the league but not permanently

posted on 7/7/20

It’s all going to come down to whether legally the vote counted when it was sent, or if Dundee were allowed to change their choice.

I think hearts want money, thus the ridiculous amount of compo they’re looking for.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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They couldn't though, they still technically don't have permission to start the season on August 1st and UEFA stipulated all seasons had to be completed by August 3rd.

(please don't go on an anti-Sturgeon rant )

posted on 7/7/20

comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s all going to come down to whether legally the vote counted when it was sent, or if Dundee were allowed to change their choice.

I think hearts want money, thus the ridiculous amount of compo they’re looking for.
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The Dundee vote should have been counted and it was laughable that it wasn't.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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They couldn't though, they still technically don't have permission to start the season on August 1st and UEFA stipulated all seasons had to be completed by August 3rd.

(please don't go on an anti-Sturgeon rant)
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You have no idea the size of carrot you've just dangled

Oo-er

posted on 7/7/20

Just realised you said league sizes and not league season

posted on 7/7/20

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s all going to come down to whether legally the vote counted when it was sent, or if Dundee were allowed to change their choice.

I think hearts want money, thus the ridiculous amount of compo they’re looking for.
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The Dundee vote should have been counted and it was laughable that it wasn't.
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It was counted

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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I wasn't against it but I can understand why many clubs - especially Premiership teams would have been.

Take St Mirren for example - stadium hold 8000. By remaining as is they get 2 home games v Celtic and 2 home games v Rangers - yes they get the same for all other teams but they can as near as damn it guarantee a full house in they games.

£27 a ticket as an average so that's £216k (give or take for the season book holders, kids and hospitality increase. Over a season they can take in £1M from 4 home games v the OF. or 500k if they are on the 2 away games cycle before th split but over the course of 2 seasons they could get £1.5M

By going to a 14 team top tier they are unlikely to make the top 6. That means they may play a few more league games but they only get one home game v each of the OF so only take in £1M over 2 seasons. £500k to a club the size of St Mirren is a lot - not including any TV coverage of the games, advertising revenue etc

St Johnstone are a team who perhaps feel they have a chance of a top 6 but not guaranteed. Their stadium has an etra 25% on St Mirren so increase the potential loss by 25%

Suddenly you see why clubs mid to bottom don't want to risk losing out on money making games just so that Hearts stay up.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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I wasn't against it but I can understand why many clubs - especially Premiership teams would have been.

Take St Mirren for example - stadium hold 8000. By remaining as is they get 2 home games v Celtic and 2 home games v Rangers - yes they get the same for all other teams but they can as near as damn it guarantee a full house in they games.

£27 a ticket as an average so that's £216k (give or take for the season book holders, kids and hospitality increase. Over a season they can take in £1M from 4 home games v the OF. or 500k if they are on the 2 away games cycle before th split but over the course of 2 seasons they could get £1.5M

By going to a 14 team top tier they are unlikely to make the top 6. That means they may play a few more league games but they only get one home game v each of the OF so only take in £1M over 2 seasons. £500k to a club the size of St Mirren is a lot - not including any TV coverage of the games, advertising revenue etc

St Johnstone are a team who perhaps feel they have a chance of a top 6 but not guaranteed. Their stadium has an etra 25% on St Mirren so increase the potential loss by 25%

Suddenly you see why clubs mid to bottom don't want to risk losing out on money making games just so that Hearts stay up.
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But that's down to them though.

If the end up with only 3 against each of the OF it's because they are in the bottom half.

Even then it's a bit of a lottery as out of those 3 they could still end up with 2 of them at home.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
Wonder if the clubs are regretting not extending the league sizes to get over this issue?
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I wasn't against it but I can understand why many clubs - especially Premiership teams would have been.

Take St Mirren for example - stadium hold 8000. By remaining as is they get 2 home games v Celtic and 2 home games v Rangers - yes they get the same for all other teams but they can as near as damn it guarantee a full house in they games.

£27 a ticket as an average so that's £216k (give or take for the season book holders, kids and hospitality increase. Over a season they can take in £1M from 4 home games v the OF. or 500k if they are on the 2 away games cycle before th split but over the course of 2 seasons they could get £1.5M

By going to a 14 team top tier they are unlikely to make the top 6. That means they may play a few more league games but they only get one home game v each of the OF so only take in £1M over 2 seasons. £500k to a club the size of St Mirren is a lot - not including any TV coverage of the games, advertising revenue etc

St Johnstone are a team who perhaps feel they have a chance of a top 6 but not guaranteed. Their stadium has an etra 25% on St Mirren so increase the potential loss by 25%

Suddenly you see why clubs mid to bottom don't want to risk losing out on money making games just so that Hearts stay up.
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But that's down to them though.

If the end up with only 3 against each of the OF it's because they are in the bottom half.

Even then it's a bit of a lottery as out of those 3 they could still end up with 2 of them at home.
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I don't disagree but my point is by creating a 14 team league their opportunity for more money making games is reduced.

It's self preservation

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Starting to backfire on Hearts but as sure as God made little green apples, they will be given some considerable compensation as they have recourse again to the courts should arbitration fail to have the two sides agree.

So if they aren't content with what they are offered they will just hold the entire league to ransom by preventing the season from starting. I could be well wrong on that but it's my limited understanding as things stand now.

So, we all cough up and give them millions which each club will proportionately have to share, or

....they go back to court, delay the league start; it still costs millions but even more legal costs which again every club will have to take proportionately and then there's is the very real chance that clubs will go to the wall and even more staff made redundant while the legal process takes its course.

Not a very palatable choice either way and for those who think giving Hearts all their support to GIRU the SPFL, I'm not sure they are really considering the cost implications to their own club.

As ever etc...
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GIRU the lot of them

posted on 7/7/20

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
Was listening to them saying that he's all about mental positivity and strength as much as anything but that he's achieved 5 promotions.

An interesting change and I'm certain the Peter Lawwell had a hand in it as he does with all things.
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The puppetmaster

Probably because we're Dundee Hibs or something.
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Ivan, the guy's name.
Micky? Gotta be Lawell taking the lash.

posted on 7/7/20

*pash.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Starting to backfire on Hearts but as sure as God made little green apples, they will be given some considerable compensation as they have recourse again to the courts should arbitration fail to have the two sides agree.

So if they aren't content with what they are offered they will just hold the entire league to ransom by preventing the season from starting. I could be well wrong on that but it's my limited understanding as things stand now.

So, we all cough up and give them millions which each club will proportionately have to share, or

....they go back to court, delay the league start; it still costs millions but even more legal costs which again every club will have to take proportionately and then there's is the very real chance that clubs will go to the wall and even more staff made redundant while the legal process takes its course.

Not a very palatable choice either way and for those who think giving Hearts all their support to GIRU the SPFL, I'm not sure they are really considering the cost implications to their own club.

As ever etc...
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GIRU the lot of them
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Please submit all invoices to

Bluenose
c/o Ibrox

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Starting to backfire on Hearts but as sure as God made little green apples, they will be given some considerable compensation as they have recourse again to the courts should arbitration fail to have the two sides agree.

So if they aren't content with what they are offered they will just hold the entire league to ransom by preventing the season from starting. I could be well wrong on that but it's my limited understanding as things stand now.

So, we all cough up and give them millions which each club will proportionately have to share, or

....they go back to court, delay the league start; it still costs millions but even more legal costs which again every club will have to take proportionately and then there's is the very real chance that clubs will go to the wall and even more staff made redundant while the legal process takes its course.

Not a very palatable choice either way and for those who think giving Hearts all their support to GIRU the SPFL, I'm not sure they are really considering the cost implications to their own club.

As ever etc...
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GIRU the lot of them
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Please submit all invoices to

Bluenose
c/o Ibrox
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including the facepainter?

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Starting to backfire on Hearts but as sure as God made little green apples, they will be given some considerable compensation as they have recourse again to the courts should arbitration fail to have the two sides agree.

So if they aren't content with what they are offered they will just hold the entire league to ransom by preventing the season from starting. I could be well wrong on that but it's my limited understanding as things stand now.

So, we all cough up and give them millions which each club will proportionately have to share, or

....they go back to court, delay the league start; it still costs millions but even more legal costs which again every club will have to take proportionately and then there's is the very real chance that clubs will go to the wall and even more staff made redundant while the legal process takes its course.

Not a very palatable choice either way and for those who think giving Hearts all their support to GIRU the SPFL, I'm not sure they are really considering the cost implications to their own club.

As ever etc...
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GIRU the lot of them
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Please submit all invoices to

Bluenose
c/o Ibrox
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Stick your invoices up yir erse

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