That’s up to you. Not sure why you’re calling me a clown for trying to point out there are a lot of avenues for Arsenal to go down rather than the two extreme examples you’re giving.
It's true that we spend big money over the last few seasons without doubt. Have we spend the money wisely? No, we made mistakes. Liverpool's success came not over night. They needed to go backwards first to be at where they now. They also made some mistakes in the transfer market that were costly. What they surely did in comparison to us is they spend over requirements in each position and finally found a mix of players that worked together brilliantly.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's not about big/small club mentality it's realism of where we're at right now. If you're expecting big investment this summer you're gonna be severely disappointed.
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I’m not expecting it, it’s what I’m calling for and so is our manager. It is about big club mentality, we were once the best club in Europe and we’ve fallen so far and it’s unacceptable. Considering the prices I pay and what others pay week in week out to watch average.
Yeah we'd all love to spend loads and bring in world class players and win titles that goes without saying but the club is in a bad financial position due to years of mismanagement and poor decision making so it's not happening. Kroenke has never invested a penny in our transfer budget so there's no reason to believe he'll suddenly go on a spending spree.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah we'd all love to spend loads and bring in world class players and win titles that goes without saying but the club is in a bad financial position due to years of mismanagement and poor decision making so it's not happening. Kroenke has never invested a penny in our transfer budget so there's no reason to believe he'll suddenly go on a spending spree.
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Agree with this.
Don't expect us to spend big. We spend money only if we first get rid of some big earners and generate money. Otherwise I dont expect anything.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
That’s up to you. Not sure why you’re calling me a clown for trying to point out there are a lot of avenues for Arsenal to go down rather than the two extreme examples you’re giving.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Ok apologies for the clown comment, that was unnecessary but I was explaining what I’ve witnessed during my tenor supporting, where we were, the move to the new ground so that we can compete with Europe’s best . The evidence is that we are free falling, it’s fact. I know what we are and we are not a small club.
No worries. I understand that, I really do, but I think it’s been a gradual decline that has come about by poor management/investment. I’ve seen the same thing happen at United despite us spending more than anyone in the league.
The problem with a gradual decline is that it’s more damaging than a quick one. Your finances decline as does your attractiveness to certain managers and players. It’s difficult to work your way back up, even if you do have money.
United and Liverpool are bigger clubs than Arsenal have experienced this to varying degrees. Big clubs aren’t exempt from this.
But being clubs of this size does stop it being terminal, and gives the clubs the potential to build themselves back up and start moving in the right direction on and off the pitch again. It’s not easy, but it’s possible.
Have to say Liverpool and Chelsea have the best people when it comes to recruitment Wolves too but we must be the laughing stock of PL. Buying Xhaka for £35M and Mustafi for same amount and then we go on to bit Auba for £65M after just spending nearly £50M on Lacca and then we go spend £70M on Pepe just for measure and he doesn’t look like worth that kind of money.
We pay Kolasinac £100k/wk while Liverpool pays Mane less than that. We pay Ozil £350k/wk and he doesn’t at all play. Whoever is in charge must be an amateur and I think it doesn’t reflect well on Kroenke’s they are either fools or not bothered how club is being run.
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 4 minutes ago
we must be the laughing stock of PL.
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get in line, we pay sanchez c. £200k to play in italy, and made DDG the highest paid GK in the world after he had already started turning to sh!t.
you are mere amateurs when it comes to such incompetence.
Yeah I’m not having that either. That’s our title.
United and Liverpool are bigger clubs than Arsenal have experienced this to varying degrees. Big clubs aren’t exempt from this.
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On what planet are Liverpool a bigger team than Arsenal?
Jeez - one bad season and all of a sudden a regional team like Liverpool are bigger than us - The Kings Of The Capital
We've spent loads though, problem is that our wagebill and transfer net spend aren't reflected on the pitch.
Kroenke as a person is the revolting embodiment of everything that's wrong with our species, a parasitic opportunist that repeatedly takes advantage of a broken system.
All that said, throwing more and more money at transfers without proper thought won't get us where we all want to be.
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 4 minutes ago
we must be the laughing stock of PL.
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get in line, we pay sanchez c. £200k to play in italy, and made DDG the highest paid GK in the world after he had already started turning to sh!t.
you are mere amateurs when it comes to such incompetence.
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You have a point Sir
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 minutes ago
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
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Brutal but honest reality I can’t see anything than another frustration next season bit we must stick with Arteta at all cost unless he becomes predictable
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 minutes ago
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
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Brutal but honest reality I can’t see anything than another frustration next season bit we must stick with Arteta at all cost unless he becomes predictable
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We might get the odd result like the city game but on thr whole we will continue to struggle, especially away from where we have to attack teams who play with a low block
Problem is that you can’t really predict what your struggles will be until you know what you’ll have in your squad. Signing a decent playmaker, for example, will make such a big difference to Arsenal’s ability to break teams down that predicting the exact same struggles is a bit premature.
Think if Arteta had full season with this squad he’d get us 6th at best. And I doubt many mangers would do much better with the players we have. If the owners want us top 4 relatively soon they have to spend, unless we strike it very lucky and unearth 3 cheap players who turn out to be great signings. We don’t have many valuable assets to sell to get funds, so if they they want CL money fast they have to invest
One of the things nobody seems to be taking into account is the BILLIONS spent by Chelsea, Utd, City and Pool during all that time we could and did spend very little. It meant that when we started to spend, they already had half billion pound teams (pool had spent untold money on failures). Which sadly also coincided, with the brilliant youngsters who'd sustained us all that time, finally being too old and beginning to need replacing
And the story has ALWAYS been the same when Stan loosens the purse strings. He never loosens them enough. Lo-balling clubs for offers or did you forget 40,000,0001 for Suarez? THAT cheapskates BS is why we end up with players like Xhaka. Because the owner has NEVER been willing to shell out top dollar for anybody. Even Ozil was a cheapie deal because Jose wanted shot of him. We've got Auba and Laca because they're old now so cheap in comparison to what they'd have cost us when we really wanted them.
We've spent badly because the owner won't allow the money to be spent on top quality. So it still comes down to Stan not spending being the root of the problem. Until our negotiating team can walk in and cut whatever deal they need to, to get the player. This crap will continue at AFC. Stan has the chance now to accelerate the whole process by taking advantage of the release of FFP for now. That rule easing, means we don't have to wait 3-5 years. Can just do the same as Abromovic and use his money to stack the deck so we can do it in 1-2 instead. To be honest, it might be in his share price's best interest to take the accelerated route to fixing this squad. Because it won't stay high, with this crap going on another 3-5 years. It's time to actually PAY top club money, for top players, if we want to be/be called a top club.
And to answer the OP.
Of course that cheapskate git ain't gonna spend the money we need him to. Get ready to see our "Same sh !t different day." transfer window. I think Stan is a little confused and still waiting for us to get the first round draft pick so he can get a Messi or a Ronaldo, for feck all money.
Certainly got more chance of us getting a star by the FA suddenly creating a draft and giving him to us. Than we have of ke stumping up top whack for one in the transfer market.
That said, I already told you lot that a return to CL football next season, even with this squad is almost a given. Just gotta keep Ozil away from damned team. I know you don't believe me but you'll see next season. After Stan ain't spent squat and Arteta gets top four pretty much with this lot. The ability has been there the whole time (with other league circumstance over the years). The only thing missing was the WILL of the players on the pitch. A problem Arteta has rectified. Now everyone can be bothered to play again.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
*away from home
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More likely that we'll go back to beating all of the weaker teams, same way we used to. That includes the improved Wolves, Leicester etc. But will also be right back at that top 4 issue though. And it'll be cheapskate ke and his budget transfers, that will be the difference between us and them.
We may beat the weaker teams at home but the struggle away from him will continue
Not getting top 4 next season
Castor Troy (U8700)
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
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You are right as if you look at the stats, Arsenal attempted 397 shots this season which is 6 fewer than Norwich City. For example Arsenal play Watford next game. Watford have attempted 405 shots and faced 487 shots. Arsenal have attempted 397 shots and faced 535 shots. Last time Watford played Arsenal, Watford battered Arsenal 31 shots to 7 but drew 2-2 and main reason why Watford are going down are due to many games like this were they dominated but failed to win.
If you didn't have world class strikers and a goalkeeper, could easily have been relegated this season.
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posted on 23/7/20
That’s up to you. Not sure why you’re calling me a clown for trying to point out there are a lot of avenues for Arsenal to go down rather than the two extreme examples you’re giving.
posted on 23/7/20
It's true that we spend big money over the last few seasons without doubt. Have we spend the money wisely? No, we made mistakes. Liverpool's success came not over night. They needed to go backwards first to be at where they now. They also made some mistakes in the transfer market that were costly. What they surely did in comparison to us is they spend over requirements in each position and finally found a mix of players that worked together brilliantly.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's not about big/small club mentality it's realism of where we're at right now. If you're expecting big investment this summer you're gonna be severely disappointed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not expecting it, it’s what I’m calling for and so is our manager. It is about big club mentality, we were once the best club in Europe and we’ve fallen so far and it’s unacceptable. Considering the prices I pay and what others pay week in week out to watch average.
posted on 23/7/20
Yeah we'd all love to spend loads and bring in world class players and win titles that goes without saying but the club is in a bad financial position due to years of mismanagement and poor decision making so it's not happening. Kroenke has never invested a penny in our transfer budget so there's no reason to believe he'll suddenly go on a spending spree.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah we'd all love to spend loads and bring in world class players and win titles that goes without saying but the club is in a bad financial position due to years of mismanagement and poor decision making so it's not happening. Kroenke has never invested a penny in our transfer budget so there's no reason to believe he'll suddenly go on a spending spree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree with this.
Don't expect us to spend big. We spend money only if we first get rid of some big earners and generate money. Otherwise I dont expect anything.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
That’s up to you. Not sure why you’re calling me a clown for trying to point out there are a lot of avenues for Arsenal to go down rather than the two extreme examples you’re giving.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Ok apologies for the clown comment, that was unnecessary but I was explaining what I’ve witnessed during my tenor supporting, where we were, the move to the new ground so that we can compete with Europe’s best . The evidence is that we are free falling, it’s fact. I know what we are and we are not a small club.
posted on 23/7/20
No worries. I understand that, I really do, but I think it’s been a gradual decline that has come about by poor management/investment. I’ve seen the same thing happen at United despite us spending more than anyone in the league.
The problem with a gradual decline is that it’s more damaging than a quick one. Your finances decline as does your attractiveness to certain managers and players. It’s difficult to work your way back up, even if you do have money.
United and Liverpool are bigger clubs than Arsenal have experienced this to varying degrees. Big clubs aren’t exempt from this.
But being clubs of this size does stop it being terminal, and gives the clubs the potential to build themselves back up and start moving in the right direction on and off the pitch again. It’s not easy, but it’s possible.
posted on 23/7/20
Have to say Liverpool and Chelsea have the best people when it comes to recruitment Wolves too but we must be the laughing stock of PL. Buying Xhaka for £35M and Mustafi for same amount and then we go on to bit Auba for £65M after just spending nearly £50M on Lacca and then we go spend £70M on Pepe just for measure and he doesn’t look like worth that kind of money.
We pay Kolasinac £100k/wk while Liverpool pays Mane less than that. We pay Ozil £350k/wk and he doesn’t at all play. Whoever is in charge must be an amateur and I think it doesn’t reflect well on Kroenke’s they are either fools or not bothered how club is being run.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 4 minutes ago
we must be the laughing stock of PL.
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get in line, we pay sanchez c. £200k to play in italy, and made DDG the highest paid GK in the world after he had already started turning to sh!t.
you are mere amateurs when it comes to such incompetence.
posted on 23/7/20
Yeah I’m not having that either. That’s our title.
posted on 23/7/20
United and Liverpool are bigger clubs than Arsenal have experienced this to varying degrees. Big clubs aren’t exempt from this.
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On what planet are Liverpool a bigger team than Arsenal?
Jeez - one bad season and all of a sudden a regional team like Liverpool are bigger than us - The Kings Of The Capital
posted on 23/7/20
We've spent loads though, problem is that our wagebill and transfer net spend aren't reflected on the pitch.
Kroenke as a person is the revolting embodiment of everything that's wrong with our species, a parasitic opportunist that repeatedly takes advantage of a broken system.
All that said, throwing more and more money at transfers without proper thought won't get us where we all want to be.
posted on 23/7/20
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 4 minutes ago
we must be the laughing stock of PL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
get in line, we pay sanchez c. £200k to play in italy, and made DDG the highest paid GK in the world after he had already started turning to sh!t.
you are mere amateurs when it comes to such incompetence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have a point Sir
posted on 23/7/20
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 minutes ago
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brutal but honest reality I can’t see anything than another frustration next season bit we must stick with Arteta at all cost unless he becomes predictable
posted on 23/7/20
comment by AFC Bash - Tierney my hero (U21751)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 8 minutes ago
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brutal but honest reality I can’t see anything than another frustration next season bit we must stick with Arteta at all cost unless he becomes predictable
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We might get the odd result like the city game but on thr whole we will continue to struggle, especially away from where we have to attack teams who play with a low block
posted on 23/7/20
*away from home
posted on 23/7/20
Problem is that you can’t really predict what your struggles will be until you know what you’ll have in your squad. Signing a decent playmaker, for example, will make such a big difference to Arsenal’s ability to break teams down that predicting the exact same struggles is a bit premature.
posted on 24/7/20
Think if Arteta had full season with this squad he’d get us 6th at best. And I doubt many mangers would do much better with the players we have. If the owners want us top 4 relatively soon they have to spend, unless we strike it very lucky and unearth 3 cheap players who turn out to be great signings. We don’t have many valuable assets to sell to get funds, so if they they want CL money fast they have to invest
posted on 24/7/20
One of the things nobody seems to be taking into account is the BILLIONS spent by Chelsea, Utd, City and Pool during all that time we could and did spend very little. It meant that when we started to spend, they already had half billion pound teams (pool had spent untold money on failures). Which sadly also coincided, with the brilliant youngsters who'd sustained us all that time, finally being too old and beginning to need replacing
And the story has ALWAYS been the same when Stan loosens the purse strings. He never loosens them enough. Lo-balling clubs for offers or did you forget 40,000,0001 for Suarez? THAT cheapskates BS is why we end up with players like Xhaka. Because the owner has NEVER been willing to shell out top dollar for anybody. Even Ozil was a cheapie deal because Jose wanted shot of him. We've got Auba and Laca because they're old now so cheap in comparison to what they'd have cost us when we really wanted them.
We've spent badly because the owner won't allow the money to be spent on top quality. So it still comes down to Stan not spending being the root of the problem. Until our negotiating team can walk in and cut whatever deal they need to, to get the player. This crap will continue at AFC. Stan has the chance now to accelerate the whole process by taking advantage of the release of FFP for now. That rule easing, means we don't have to wait 3-5 years. Can just do the same as Abromovic and use his money to stack the deck so we can do it in 1-2 instead. To be honest, it might be in his share price's best interest to take the accelerated route to fixing this squad. Because it won't stay high, with this crap going on another 3-5 years. It's time to actually PAY top club money, for top players, if we want to be/be called a top club.
posted on 24/7/20
And to answer the OP.
Of course that cheapskate git ain't gonna spend the money we need him to. Get ready to see our "Same sh !t different day." transfer window. I think Stan is a little confused and still waiting for us to get the first round draft pick so he can get a Messi or a Ronaldo, for feck all money.
Certainly got more chance of us getting a star by the FA suddenly creating a draft and giving him to us. Than we have of ke stumping up top whack for one in the transfer market.
That said, I already told you lot that a return to CL football next season, even with this squad is almost a given. Just gotta keep Ozil away from damned team. I know you don't believe me but you'll see next season. After Stan ain't spent squat and Arteta gets top four pretty much with this lot. The ability has been there the whole time (with other league circumstance over the years). The only thing missing was the WILL of the players on the pitch. A problem Arteta has rectified. Now everyone can be bothered to play again.
posted on 24/7/20
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
*away from home
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More likely that we'll go back to beating all of the weaker teams, same way we used to. That includes the improved Wolves, Leicester etc. But will also be right back at that top 4 issue though. And it'll be cheapskate ke and his budget transfers, that will be the difference between us and them.
posted on 24/7/20
We may beat the weaker teams at home but the struggle away from him will continue
Not getting top 4 next season
posted on 24/7/20
Castor Troy (U8700)
Reality is we are going to be anywhere between 10th and 7th next season.
Impossible to change things within 6 weeks and to expect different results next season.
Squad is littered with very poor championship level standard players.
.......
You are right as if you look at the stats, Arsenal attempted 397 shots this season which is 6 fewer than Norwich City. For example Arsenal play Watford next game. Watford have attempted 405 shots and faced 487 shots. Arsenal have attempted 397 shots and faced 535 shots. Last time Watford played Arsenal, Watford battered Arsenal 31 shots to 7 but drew 2-2 and main reason why Watford are going down are due to many games like this were they dominated but failed to win.
posted on 24/7/20
If you didn't have world class strikers and a goalkeeper, could easily have been relegated this season.
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