I think it will, I think he'll be on a break now so will sign in a week or two if not sooner then join for preseason. Just a guess. Until then we'll see all orts of stories.
Nah I think we will, compromise will be reached with the 90mil figure made up in various ambitious add-on's, e.g. winning PL before set date, etc...
Leverkusen's only interest at this point will be maximizing profits. They know the player won't be there this time next year so they're betting we'll crack knowing this is our only window where reaching an agreement with him is nailed on, next summer they'll be bigger fish in the pool. My guess is they're right, we'll crack
If Havertz had a sense of humor even after a deal's done he'll delay signing the contract for a week or so in favor of trolling us on twitter, like a certain Eden Hazard did in 2012
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 26 minutes ago
Nah I think we will, compromise will be reached with the 90mil figure made up in various ambitious add-on's, e.g. winning PL before set date, etc...
Leverkusen's only interest at this point will be maximizing profits. They know the player won't be there this time next year so they're betting we'll crack knowing this is our only window where reaching an agreement with him is nailed on, next summer they'll be bigger fish in the pool. My guess is they're right, we'll crack
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I don't think we will crack. I hope they will.
Thing is 90mil for Havertz isn't unreasonable & we'll know that, so if we don't met it we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we believe he's a top player. Could be naivety but my faith in the board has risen considerably over the last 4-5 years, I can't see us walking away out of negotiating principle.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 58 minutes ago
Thing is 90mil for Havertz isn't unreasonable & we'll know that, so if we don't met it we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we believe he's a top player. Could be naivety but my faith in the board has risen considerably over the last 4-5 years, I can't see us walking away out of negotiating principle.
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I actually think 90m it is unreasonable and i suspect the club (Marina does too)
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
It will happen eventually I believe, I can see a lot of brinksmanship followed by compromise from both sides.
As Devil said this is the only window in which we're likely to get him, this time next year Bayern and the parasites from Madrid will have more money to spend and be a bigger draw than us,
If he's as good as his reputation would have us believe, his value will only increase if he showcases his talent with us and his price will increase making him a valuable investment.
I personally think we should do whatever it takes to get him before he ends up elsewhere. I see it being around the 90m mark but with about 75 up front and the rest in add ons!
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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Which is why we should take advantage now while we have it!
Looking at it from Leverkusen's perspective they know they have something special in Havertz. If I was them I'd hold out for £90 million as well. Especially as they know we're a rich club and that we can afford it.
We paid £70 million for Kepa two years ago yet we're quibbling over £15-20 million in this window for a genuine generational talent. If we want the player then pay up.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 12 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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True, no-one really knows how that'll affect the market at different levels yet, but if I look at this from Leverkusen's prospective it's reasonable - in a market without that uncertainty he'd in fact be valued higher.
They know Havertz going is a matter of when, they can also fairly assume Bayern will be all over him in 12 months time along with a few others - perhaps not at a valuation of 90mil with 12 months left on his contract but 60-70mil or something equivalent in trade won't be a problem (and they get an extra year of him which could be vital, compensates for it). The excess this summer could be interpreted as a first rights fee, and that's reasonable given the cards on the table, so it becomes a question of whether we think the player's good enough or not?
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 13 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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Which is why we should take advantage now while we have it!
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I don't disagree with that , but I think Marina's job is to buy the right players at the right price. A global recession plus the Kepa disaster is going to make price especially important...and no business in the world can survive by being casual about the odd 10m or 20m.
She could easily say to Frank I can get you player x (a top class goalkeeper) and player y (a top class LB) for a total of 90m. We have already bought to new attackers, the money is better spent here ...
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information <laughL
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 12 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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True, no-one really knows how that'll affect the market at different levels yet, but if I look at this from Leverkusen's prospective it's reasonable - in a market without that uncertainty he'd in fact be valued higher.
They know Havertz going is a matter of when, they can also fairly assume Bayern will be all over him in 12 months time along with a few others - perhaps not at a valuation of 90mil with 12 months left on his contract but 60-70mil or something equivalent in trade won't be a problem (and they get an extra year of him which could be vital, compensates for it). The excess this summer could be interpreted as a first rights fee, and that's reasonable given the cards on the table, so it becomes a question of whether we think the player's good enough or not?
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On you tube clips (dangerous i know) he looks to be the best midfield goalscorer I have seen since Lampard..his timing of runs into the box appears amazing in the clips
I have a valuable scouting tool at my disposal Biggish, I'm a MASSIVE Football Manager nerd
My Havertz knowledge extends to reading a bunch of analytic material & seeing him kill it 100% of the time on a simulation game
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information
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I have to say I've never seen him on youtube either. I'm literally going on all the high profile expert opinions over him, who mostly seem to agree he is a very special player!
I have shamed you by correcting your smiley though!
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information
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I have to say I've never seen him on youtube either. I'm literally going on all the high profile expert opinions over him, who mostly seem to agree he is a very special player!
I have shamed you by correcting your smiley though!
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Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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Short version.
Underwhelming af
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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Short version.
Underwhelming af
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Yep, I have seen nothing stand out from Chilwell
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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To be fair I've not really thought about him, I would have thought there were cheaper options as good if not better out there but if Lampard wants him that badly he must see something in him.
As you know mate, I'm just s fan, never seen myself much of a judge who will or will not do well for us but I guess I see him as a Wayne bridge as opposed to an Ashley Cole.
He's another player I've not seen a lot of but what I have seen there was nothing that jumped out to me and made me think, "I'd love to see him in a Chelsea shirt!"
And to be fair, any comparison with Ash is a little unfair, as he was a one off model to me!
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
He's another player I've not seen a lot of but what I have seen there was nothing that jumped out to me and made me think, "I'd love to see him in a Chelsea shirt!"
And to be fair, any comparison with Ash is a little unfair, as he was a one off model to me!
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Which is why I compared him to Wayne Bridge 🤣
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posted on 13/8/20
I think it will, I think he'll be on a break now so will sign in a week or two if not sooner then join for preseason. Just a guess. Until then we'll see all orts of stories.
posted on 13/8/20
Nah I think we will, compromise will be reached with the 90mil figure made up in various ambitious add-on's, e.g. winning PL before set date, etc...
Leverkusen's only interest at this point will be maximizing profits. They know the player won't be there this time next year so they're betting we'll crack knowing this is our only window where reaching an agreement with him is nailed on, next summer they'll be bigger fish in the pool. My guess is they're right, we'll crack
posted on 13/8/20
If Havertz had a sense of humor even after a deal's done he'll delay signing the contract for a week or so in favor of trolling us on twitter, like a certain Eden Hazard did in 2012
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 26 minutes ago
Nah I think we will, compromise will be reached with the 90mil figure made up in various ambitious add-on's, e.g. winning PL before set date, etc...
Leverkusen's only interest at this point will be maximizing profits. They know the player won't be there this time next year so they're betting we'll crack knowing this is our only window where reaching an agreement with him is nailed on, next summer they'll be bigger fish in the pool. My guess is they're right, we'll crack
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I don't think we will crack. I hope they will.
posted on 13/8/20
Thing is 90mil for Havertz isn't unreasonable & we'll know that, so if we don't met it we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we believe he's a top player. Could be naivety but my faith in the board has risen considerably over the last 4-5 years, I can't see us walking away out of negotiating principle.
posted on 13/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 58 minutes ago
Thing is 90mil for Havertz isn't unreasonable & we'll know that, so if we don't met it we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we believe he's a top player. Could be naivety but my faith in the board has risen considerably over the last 4-5 years, I can't see us walking away out of negotiating principle.
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I actually think 90m it is unreasonable and i suspect the club (Marina does too)
posted on 13/8/20
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
posted on 14/8/20
It will happen eventually I believe, I can see a lot of brinksmanship followed by compromise from both sides.
As Devil said this is the only window in which we're likely to get him, this time next year Bayern and the parasites from Madrid will have more money to spend and be a bigger draw than us,
If he's as good as his reputation would have us believe, his value will only increase if he showcases his talent with us and his price will increase making him a valuable investment.
I personally think we should do whatever it takes to get him before he ends up elsewhere. I see it being around the 90m mark but with about 75 up front and the rest in add ons!
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
posted on 14/8/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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Which is why we should take advantage now while we have it!
posted on 14/8/20
Looking at it from Leverkusen's perspective they know they have something special in Havertz. If I was them I'd hold out for £90 million as well. Especially as they know we're a rich club and that we can afford it.
We paid £70 million for Kepa two years ago yet we're quibbling over £15-20 million in this window for a genuine generational talent. If we want the player then pay up.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 12 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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True, no-one really knows how that'll affect the market at different levels yet, but if I look at this from Leverkusen's prospective it's reasonable - in a market without that uncertainty he'd in fact be valued higher.
They know Havertz going is a matter of when, they can also fairly assume Bayern will be all over him in 12 months time along with a few others - perhaps not at a valuation of 90mil with 12 months left on his contract but 60-70mil or something equivalent in trade won't be a problem (and they get an extra year of him which could be vital, compensates for it). The excess this summer could be interpreted as a first rights fee, and that's reasonable given the cards on the table, so it becomes a question of whether we think the player's good enough or not?
posted on 14/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 13 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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Which is why we should take advantage now while we have it!
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I don't disagree with that , but I think Marina's job is to buy the right players at the right price. A global recession plus the Kepa disaster is going to make price especially important...and no business in the world can survive by being casual about the odd 10m or 20m.
She could easily say to Frank I can get you player x (a top class goalkeeper) and player y (a top class LB) for a total of 90m. We have already bought to new attackers, the money is better spent here ...
posted on 14/8/20
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information <laughL
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 12 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Not really. Joao Felix went for 100mil+ last summer, Dembele 100mil+ in 2017, Sancho will be 100mil+ when he leaves Dortmund. The value of young players in this market is horrendous.
Bruno Fernandes cost 70mil at 25 y/o, you think Voller won't call BS on Havertz being worth 20mil more for four extra years?
If we manage to get Havertz down to something about 70-75mil, relative to the market that's a bargain
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Very different world post Covid...i don't see making comparisons to last season a relevant. so many clubs in trouble financially right now
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True, no-one really knows how that'll affect the market at different levels yet, but if I look at this from Leverkusen's prospective it's reasonable - in a market without that uncertainty he'd in fact be valued higher.
They know Havertz going is a matter of when, they can also fairly assume Bayern will be all over him in 12 months time along with a few others - perhaps not at a valuation of 90mil with 12 months left on his contract but 60-70mil or something equivalent in trade won't be a problem (and they get an extra year of him which could be vital, compensates for it). The excess this summer could be interpreted as a first rights fee, and that's reasonable given the cards on the table, so it becomes a question of whether we think the player's good enough or not?
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On you tube clips (dangerous i know) he looks to be the best midfield goalscorer I have seen since Lampard..his timing of runs into the box appears amazing in the clips
posted on 14/8/20
I have a valuable scouting tool at my disposal Biggish, I'm a MASSIVE Football Manager nerd
My Havertz knowledge extends to reading a bunch of analytic material & seeing him kill it 100% of the time on a simulation game
posted on 14/8/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information
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I have to say I've never seen him on youtube either. I'm literally going on all the high profile expert opinions over him, who mostly seem to agree he is a very special player!
I have shamed you by correcting your smiley though!
posted on 14/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
I still have not spoken to anyone on here who can claim they have watched more than you tube clips of Havertz (myself included)...
Its amazing how passionate we get about player transfers with so little background information
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I have to say I've never seen him on youtube either. I'm literally going on all the high profile expert opinions over him, who mostly seem to agree he is a very special player!
I have shamed you by correcting your smiley though!
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posted on 14/8/20
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
posted on 14/8/20
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
posted on 14/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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Short version.
Underwhelming af
posted on 14/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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Short version.
Underwhelming af
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Yep, I have seen nothing stand out from Chilwell
posted on 14/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently, we will be signing Chillwell next week, 50m.
Don't take it as gospel as my source is not always right bit he normally give me good info.
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What do we think of Chillwell?
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To be fair I've not really thought about him, I would have thought there were cheaper options as good if not better out there but if Lampard wants him that badly he must see something in him.
As you know mate, I'm just s fan, never seen myself much of a judge who will or will not do well for us but I guess I see him as a Wayne bridge as opposed to an Ashley Cole.
posted on 14/8/20
He's another player I've not seen a lot of but what I have seen there was nothing that jumped out to me and made me think, "I'd love to see him in a Chelsea shirt!"
And to be fair, any comparison with Ash is a little unfair, as he was a one off model to me!
posted on 14/8/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 15 minutes ago
He's another player I've not seen a lot of but what I have seen there was nothing that jumped out to me and made me think, "I'd love to see him in a Chelsea shirt!"
And to be fair, any comparison with Ash is a little unfair, as he was a one off model to me!
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Which is why I compared him to Wayne Bridge 🤣
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