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Lampard vs Solskjaer vs Arteta

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posted on 24/8/20

I think Lampard will continue to use youth but no one can expect him only to use that.

But RLC is 24 and Pulisic was signed from Dortmund having made over 80 appearances, so you can't have those as part of your 'youth project'.

Interested to see what he does with Abraham next season but certainly Mount, James and Tomori look to be players he will try to work with as part of his main team.

posted on 24/8/20

It was more about the players he had at his disposal and pulisic was still only 20/21 so is definitely still youth.

Abraham will need to convince a lot of people this year

posted on 24/8/20

But yeah like you say did people expect us to just keep bringing in youth players and never spend a pound again despite earning millions the last few years

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)

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Reason Lampard has done so well is because we lost our two best players (hazard and kante through injury for much of the season) it was arguably our worst squad in 20 years, and mount did not play in the men’s senior team till September this season. Abraham’s first competitive match for England was also this season.
Also the youth product has not stalled at all. We’ve given hundreds of minutes this season to young players despite injuries to cho, rlc and pulisic and tomori,
We’re also looking at Havertz who is young and bought young players.
Give your head a wobble

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no idea why you have to drop in that last piece of advice, makes you come across as a d!ck.

and kante played c. 40% more this season than any of pogba, greenwood, or fernandes. he also played exactly 1 minute less than luke shaw.

so it may have been your worst squad for 20 years - join the club - but you still spent £100m during a transfer ban on two first teamers, and still brought back c .£100m of talent from on loan. not quite the plucky underdogs tale some like to tell.

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 34 minutes ago
It was more about the players he had at his disposal and pulisic was still only 20/21 so is definitely still youth.

Abraham will need to convince a lot of people this year
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Come on, when people talk about youth development they're not talking about a guy who cost you £50 million and had played three seasons with Dortmund.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 24/8/20

(and, somewhat predictably, as soon as chelsea had the chance to spend they've gone and done so, so the youth project has stalled already).
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This really is a weird argument, especially from a United fan. If I expected one set of fans to understand giving youth a chance & spending bullishly on outside talents aren't mutually exclusive it would be United fans.

Despite the signings this summer I guarantee you James, Christensen, RLC (if he's fit), Abraham & specifically Mount will all get plenty of minutes next season. If I had to wager I'd bet Mount will be used a little too much considering the talent pool, Lampard sees a kindred spirit in him.

posted on 24/8/20

Kante wasn’t fit even when he played. He was not fit all season basically but needs must. Not sure why you feel the need to bring others down and compare the managers. Your saying join the club, and I said ole has done a good job. Not sure why you’re getting so bitter and anti chelsea in some of your posts

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 34 minutes ago
It was more about the players he had at his disposal and pulisic was still only 20/21 so is definitely still youth.

Abraham will need to convince a lot of people this year
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Come on, when people talk about youth development they're not talking about a guy who cost you £50 million and had played three seasons with Dortmund.


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Still a young player who we implemented. Not the same I know but it was his first season in England and he’s improved immensely

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 seconds ago

Not sure why you feel the need to bring others down and compare the managers.
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that is literally what this article is about.

i'm neither bitter nor anti-chelsea, i just find the discrepancy between the fan/media treatment of lampard (great job, done brilliantly with the youth) and that of OGS (out of his depth) quite odd.

posted on 24/8/20

Not sure why you’re getting so bitter and anti chelsea in some of your posts
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He wasn't lmao.

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 34 minutes ago
It was more about the players he had at his disposal and pulisic was still only 20/21 so is definitely still youth.

Abraham will need to convince a lot of people this year
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Come on, when people talk about youth development they're not talking about a guy who cost you £50 million and had played three seasons with Dortmund.


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Still a young player who we implemented. Not the same I know but it was his first season in England and he’s improved immensely
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Yes, but not what anyone refers to when they talk about the 'youth project' at Chelsea.

posted on 24/8/20

Think there's actually merits to say each of the managers have done well in different areas.

Lampard definitely had the better squad of players when he took over compared to the other two. A squad (minus Hazard) that was good enough to win the Europa League and was the 3rd best in the PL.

His hands were tied somewhat in the transfer market, so he largely had to work with what he had (again 3rd best in the PL). Only managed 4th in the PL but got to the FA Cup final. But plenty were dismissing them pre-season due to the transfer ban.

Solskjaer had longer in the job but managed to perform the best of the 3 in the league, improving them from 6th place when he took over to finish 3rd. Not many would have United finishing 3rd with the current squad of players. Good 1st XI, but severly lacking beneath that. 3 semi finals, nearly but not quite. If the depth was there then maybe the 1st XI wouldn't have been stretched so much to be dead on their feet at the business end.

Arteta took over a bit mess (much like Solskjaer at United 18 months ago), league record wasn't overly impressive but he is the only manager out of the three to put a trophy on the table, so kudos to him.

Think there are similar themes that overlap all 3 clubs. The integration of lots of plenty of youth players at both Chelsea and United, and the inherent player mess that has needed sorting at both United and Arsenal.

It could be that Lampard comes under a bit more pressure to succeed next season that goes with a big transfer outlay, but probably not the sort of crap that accompanies Solskjaer at United. I think Arteta will be given plenty of slack and a relatively free ride to sort things out at Arsenal net season.

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 seconds ago

Not sure why you feel the need to bring others down and compare the managers.
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that is literally what this article is about.

i'm neither bitter nor anti-chelsea, i just find the discrepancy between the fan/media treatment of lampard (great job, done brilliantly with the youth) and that of OGS (out of his depth) quite odd.
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I guess it’s what you’re looking for but I’ve seen very balanced media coverage of both. I would say try and broaden where you read footy opinions. And twitter is a cess pool obviously lol

posted on 24/8/20

Lampard definitely had the better squad of players when he took over compared to the other two. A squad (minus Hazard) that was good enough to win the Europa League and was the 3rd best in the PL
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Could not disagree more

posted on 24/8/20

I and a lot of chelsea fans never thought we’d get top four and were expecting a position similar to where arsenal ended up. Add to that the list of injuries we had all year and it was a nightmare season to navigate. Pulisic and kante missing huge chunks along with other players (rlc, cho, rudiger, James and more).

Be interested to see who you would have in a joint 11 barf at the beginning of the season but I’d wager it looked something like:

Ddg
Awb rudiger maguire shaw
Kante pogba ?
Martial rashford ?

Maybe Willian as the second ?. That’s 7 Utd players and only two certain chelsea players

posted on 24/8/20

That’s a first - opposition fans arguing over how many of their own team wouldn’t get in a joint XI

posted on 24/8/20

Lol not arguing but would wager that’s the team most would go with. I think Leicester’s first 11 was probably better on paper than Chelsea’s at the start of the year too (Mount, Tammy, pulisic all unknown quantities)

posted on 24/8/20

Yeh maybe, quite a lot of debate to be had and it’s so difficult to remember what I thought at the start of the season... a lot has happened since then!

posted on 24/8/20

I think Leicester’s first 11 was probably better on paper than Chelsea’s at the start of the year too (Mount, Tammy, pulisic all unknown quantities)
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No it wasn’t you absolute delusional moron.

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think Leicester’s first 11 was probably better on paper than Chelsea’s at the start of the year too (Mount, Tammy, pulisic all unknown quantities)
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No it wasn’t you absolute delusional moron.
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Lol pot meet kettle

posted on 24/8/20

Jesus Christ this team:

Kepa
James Zouma Rudiger Azpi
Kante/Jorginho Kovacic Mount
William Abraham/Giroud Pulisic

Is not a terrible team that people thought were worse than Lester

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think Leicester’s first 11 was probably better on paper than Chelsea’s at the start of the year too (Mount, Tammy, pulisic all unknown quantities)
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No it wasn’t you absolute delusional moron.
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Lol pot meet kettle
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Because you’re an absolute liar. No reasonable person ever though were worse than Lester furrrking city. I don’t know why you have to resort to such exaggeration and hyperbole to give Lampard as much credit as you possibly can. It’s unbelievable

posted on 24/8/20

60m Jorginho
30m Kante
40m Kovacic
30m William
30m Rudiger
80m kepa
50m Pulisic

It’s not a weak team. You’re going so overboard

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 2 minutes ago
Jesus Christ this team:

Kepa
James Zouma Rudiger Azpi
Kante/Jorginho Kovacic Mount
William Abraham/Giroud Pulisic

Is not a terrible team that people thought were worse than Lester
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So you knew how good James, Mount, Tammy and pulisic were before the season? Someone who doesn’t even watch football let alone German and championship footy lll

posted on 24/8/20

comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 53 seconds ago
60m Jorginho - paid over the odds
30m Kante - world class
40m Kovacic - was okay last year, nobody knew he’d be a lot better this year
30m William - streaky player at best. Happy he’s gone
30m Rudiger - good last year
80m kepa -
50m Pulisic - unproven

It’s not a weak team. You’re going so overboard
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Money does not equate quality. Look at morata, lukaku, Fred, maguire, stones and many over the years.

Anyway no point debating as we all know you done this article to slag off Lampard like you always do

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