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comment by Aubameyang FC (U3245)
posted 2 minutes ago
3. Teams can replace throw-ins with kick-ins in their own half.
this is a terrible idea. will mean some teams would load the box like its a freekick as most players can kick a ball pretty far these days
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But that's the whole idea, to create more goalscoring opportunities. For instance, the new rule regarding taking goalkicks within your own area has significantly increased goals.
That offside rule would be a joke and force teams to def even deeper if anything and makes a mockery of the whole defensive aspect of the game. Making the sport as a whole less technical too, would lose a lot of respect for the game if this happens. What after this ,no keepers?
Has to be a joke.
Offside with the foot should only be given if the back of the boot is in an offside position, being offside by a tiny bit cos a player has bigger feet than the other guy is stupid.
2 and 3 are dumb.
The current application of the offside rule isn't really in the spirit of the laws of the game - a shirt sleeve is not an advantage. I like the idea of favouring the attacker more. Either way VAR and the need to scrutinize such decisions to minute detail will kill the game so it doesn't really matter.
I could get on board with 1, but 2 & 3 are stupid ideas.
With the crazy high scoring games these days it's probably the defenders that actually need more help, I think if any part of your body that you can score with is in an offside position (and you use that part of your body to score) then it's logical that the offside should be given.
2/3 are an absolute joke and I would lose my sheeeet if either ever happened.
The offside change I would make is much more minor, I believe they are too focussed on the physical dimension rather than time.
Biggest issue with the current system is that measuring whether a player is offside merely pretends that we are accurate when it comes to when the ball is being passed. The current video technology is really not all that precise in time, and when players are at full pace, that small amount of time can be several inches.
I would use the system exactly as it is now, except that attackers are given a single frame leeway, I believe the footage is at 50fps meaning just 20ms. So VAR pick the last frame showing the ball on the person’s foot and reverse one frame. It also doesn’t provide any advantage at all to players that are coming from offside positions, which is also a plus in my opinion.
comment by Rutilus (U19057)
posted 32 minutes ago
The offside change I would make is much more minor, I believe they are too focussed on the physical dimension rather than time.
Biggest issue with the current system is that measuring whether a player is offside merely pretends that we are accurate when it comes to when the ball is being passed. The current video technology is really not all that precise in time, and when players are at full pace, that small amount of time can be several inches.
I would use the system exactly as it is now, except that attackers are given a single frame leeway, I believe the footage is at 50fps meaning just 20ms. So VAR pick the last frame showing the ball on the person’s foot and reverse one frame. It also doesn’t provide any advantage at all to players that are coming from offside positions, which is also a plus in my opinion.
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As much as this suggestion triggers me I have to agree it makes sense. If we're going to decide offsides frame by frame this sounds like a good solution to the 'goal ruled out by an armpit' problem.
Fifa tried the kick ins in the 1993 under 17s... Wasn't terrible but everyone agree they'd rather have throw ins.
Don't mind the offside rule though...
I like the offside one. Will still.lead to marginal 1 cm decisions and silly VAR line drawing BS but it is better because it goes to the heart of the reason for offside which is to prevent goal hanging.
Whatever rule implemented for offside has to be applicable across all levels of the game. It's notmlike VAR that's a new tool, it's a fundamental change in thebgame. The one suggested by Wenger may be more difficult to deploy at grass roots because it's less easy to judge with the naked eye I'm realtime by a linesman
Rutilus suggest makes sense because it isn't a rule change per say, rather it's a VAR implimentation.
2 & 3 sound like someone who has never played the game trying to come up with ideas for it!
If the ball swerves OUT, it is OUT? That's why we have line marking the area where the pitch ends, so that if the ball crosses that line it is OUT.
Throw-ins are part of the game, if they were to be replaced by kick-ins, that would delay the game every time the ball goes to throw.
The more meddling is going on with the game, the worst it is getting and it is becoming a mockery!
Leave the game alone!
About the offside, the advantage should be given to the attacker, and in my view, I don't like these reviews with multiple angles and lines drawn, but if we to continue with that, then only the attacker's boots have to checked - because the feet mark the attackers position, not his arms.
Offside should just be a person's centre of mass in my opinion. Easiest thing to judge. If more of their body is in an offside position then it is offside.
I like the kick-in idea, it's football after all. I would limit it to along the ground like you see in some 6-a-side leagues as this speeds up the game massively. Most players can't throw the ball properly and most games have foul throws which are overlooked, so what's the point?
A modern game would apply a rule along the lines of the ball is not 'out of play' until it touches the ground over a touchline. I'd enjoy the creativity this would create, but it's far too big a change to be applied to football.
I'm still here waiting for them to implement the 80min games where the clock stops every time the ball is out of play 😂
If the ball goes over the goal line and come back out then no goal.
I think it should be like quidditch with two ways you can win. For example either win by scoring more goals than the opponent, or the first team to knock the ref unconscious with a football wins. Would make it really exciting and fun.
Its a wise tactic. Suggest one sensible rule change and then two crazy rule changes. It makes people more likely to give in to the sensible one to avoid the others.
Football is fine as is. More of these nonsense rule changes that dont need to happen.
I think throw in one is a bit silly cos you'll have teams arguing whether the ball went out in their own half the other teams half. Pettiness that the game doesn't really need. I think if there's a rule change to offside to compensate for VAR it Wenger's suggestion makes sense. As someone said previously the implementation of VAR seems to be the issue. And the "one frame back" rule could work. Have this rule for VAR games and the old rule when VAR is not utilised. VAR in of itself differentiates between the grassroots, lower leagues and the elite level anyway, so don't really see how this majorly impacts the game further
Oh and I don't understand the thinking in the corner kick one. If it's so more goals are scored why not make the rule for in play as well?
comment by Mason, Marcus, Martial - Mountains are there t... (U3867)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh and I don't understand the thinking in the corner kick one. If it's so more goals are scored why not make the rule for in play as well?
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It is to give the attacking team the advantage, allow the corner taker to swing it in to the box. The corner quadrant is actually quite restrictive as to what you can do, so maybe an alternative is to make the area you can take a corner from bigger.
How about you're only offside if the part of your body you scored with was offside. So you're running through on goal but your leg was offside, you can get can take it round the keeper then lie down and head the ball in and it's not offside. Would be fun.
Rule number 2? You're allowed to have the ball go out of play but then come back into play? How is that fair?
Rule number 3 is also just stupid. So basically you're allowed to play a cross-field pass if you wanted to rather than just throwing it short. I guess it is a way of bypassing the high press that a lot of teams put on these days though, but still not for me.
The offside rule is an interesting concept, but essentially only the opposite of what we have in place now. I do quite like the idea of giving an advantage to the attackers though in all fairness but it would affect the defensive side of the game massively for sure.
Can you be offside from a kick in? Cos you can't from a throw in. Imagine the ball goes out near the halfway line, the forward can then just sprint through on goal and the player taking the kick in can just pick him out quickly.
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posted on 8/10/20
comment by Aubameyang FC (U3245)
posted 2 minutes ago
3. Teams can replace throw-ins with kick-ins in their own half.
this is a terrible idea. will mean some teams would load the box like its a freekick as most players can kick a ball pretty far these days
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But that's the whole idea, to create more goalscoring opportunities. For instance, the new rule regarding taking goalkicks within your own area has significantly increased goals.
posted on 8/10/20
That offside rule would be a joke and force teams to def even deeper if anything and makes a mockery of the whole defensive aspect of the game. Making the sport as a whole less technical too, would lose a lot of respect for the game if this happens. What after this ,no keepers?
Has to be a joke.
posted on 8/10/20
Offside with the foot should only be given if the back of the boot is in an offside position, being offside by a tiny bit cos a player has bigger feet than the other guy is stupid.
posted on 8/10/20
2 and 3 are dumb.
The current application of the offside rule isn't really in the spirit of the laws of the game - a shirt sleeve is not an advantage. I like the idea of favouring the attacker more. Either way VAR and the need to scrutinize such decisions to minute detail will kill the game so it doesn't really matter.
posted on 8/10/20
I could get on board with 1, but 2 & 3 are stupid ideas.
posted on 8/10/20
With the crazy high scoring games these days it's probably the defenders that actually need more help, I think if any part of your body that you can score with is in an offside position (and you use that part of your body to score) then it's logical that the offside should be given.
2/3 are an absolute joke and I would lose my sheeeet if either ever happened.
posted on 8/10/20
The offside change I would make is much more minor, I believe they are too focussed on the physical dimension rather than time.
Biggest issue with the current system is that measuring whether a player is offside merely pretends that we are accurate when it comes to when the ball is being passed. The current video technology is really not all that precise in time, and when players are at full pace, that small amount of time can be several inches.
I would use the system exactly as it is now, except that attackers are given a single frame leeway, I believe the footage is at 50fps meaning just 20ms. So VAR pick the last frame showing the ball on the person’s foot and reverse one frame. It also doesn’t provide any advantage at all to players that are coming from offside positions, which is also a plus in my opinion.
posted on 8/10/20
comment by Rutilus (U19057)
posted 32 minutes ago
The offside change I would make is much more minor, I believe they are too focussed on the physical dimension rather than time.
Biggest issue with the current system is that measuring whether a player is offside merely pretends that we are accurate when it comes to when the ball is being passed. The current video technology is really not all that precise in time, and when players are at full pace, that small amount of time can be several inches.
I would use the system exactly as it is now, except that attackers are given a single frame leeway, I believe the footage is at 50fps meaning just 20ms. So VAR pick the last frame showing the ball on the person’s foot and reverse one frame. It also doesn’t provide any advantage at all to players that are coming from offside positions, which is also a plus in my opinion.
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As much as this suggestion triggers me I have to agree it makes sense. If we're going to decide offsides frame by frame this sounds like a good solution to the 'goal ruled out by an armpit' problem.
posted on 8/10/20
Is it April already?
posted on 8/10/20
Fifa tried the kick ins in the 1993 under 17s... Wasn't terrible but everyone agree they'd rather have throw ins.
Don't mind the offside rule though...
posted on 8/10/20
I like the offside one. Will still.lead to marginal 1 cm decisions and silly VAR line drawing BS but it is better because it goes to the heart of the reason for offside which is to prevent goal hanging.
posted on 8/10/20
Whatever rule implemented for offside has to be applicable across all levels of the game. It's notmlike VAR that's a new tool, it's a fundamental change in thebgame. The one suggested by Wenger may be more difficult to deploy at grass roots because it's less easy to judge with the naked eye I'm realtime by a linesman
Rutilus suggest makes sense because it isn't a rule change per say, rather it's a VAR implimentation.
posted on 8/10/20
2 & 3 sound like someone who has never played the game trying to come up with ideas for it!
If the ball swerves OUT, it is OUT? That's why we have line marking the area where the pitch ends, so that if the ball crosses that line it is OUT.
Throw-ins are part of the game, if they were to be replaced by kick-ins, that would delay the game every time the ball goes to throw.
The more meddling is going on with the game, the worst it is getting and it is becoming a mockery!
Leave the game alone!
About the offside, the advantage should be given to the attacker, and in my view, I don't like these reviews with multiple angles and lines drawn, but if we to continue with that, then only the attacker's boots have to checked - because the feet mark the attackers position, not his arms.
posted on 8/10/20
Offside should just be a person's centre of mass in my opinion. Easiest thing to judge. If more of their body is in an offside position then it is offside.
I like the kick-in idea, it's football after all. I would limit it to along the ground like you see in some 6-a-side leagues as this speeds up the game massively. Most players can't throw the ball properly and most games have foul throws which are overlooked, so what's the point?
A modern game would apply a rule along the lines of the ball is not 'out of play' until it touches the ground over a touchline. I'd enjoy the creativity this would create, but it's far too big a change to be applied to football.
I'm still here waiting for them to implement the 80min games where the clock stops every time the ball is out of play 😂
posted on 8/10/20
If the ball goes over the goal line and come back out then no goal.
posted on 8/10/20
I think it should be like quidditch with two ways you can win. For example either win by scoring more goals than the opponent, or the first team to knock the ref unconscious with a football wins. Would make it really exciting and fun.
posted on 8/10/20
Its a wise tactic. Suggest one sensible rule change and then two crazy rule changes. It makes people more likely to give in to the sensible one to avoid the others.
posted on 8/10/20
Football is fine as is. More of these nonsense rule changes that dont need to happen.
posted on 8/10/20
I think throw in one is a bit silly cos you'll have teams arguing whether the ball went out in their own half the other teams half. Pettiness that the game doesn't really need. I think if there's a rule change to offside to compensate for VAR it Wenger's suggestion makes sense. As someone said previously the implementation of VAR seems to be the issue. And the "one frame back" rule could work. Have this rule for VAR games and the old rule when VAR is not utilised. VAR in of itself differentiates between the grassroots, lower leagues and the elite level anyway, so don't really see how this majorly impacts the game further
posted on 8/10/20
Oh and I don't understand the thinking in the corner kick one. If it's so more goals are scored why not make the rule for in play as well?
posted on 8/10/20
comment by Mason, Marcus, Martial - Mountains are there t... (U3867)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh and I don't understand the thinking in the corner kick one. If it's so more goals are scored why not make the rule for in play as well?
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It is to give the attacking team the advantage, allow the corner taker to swing it in to the box. The corner quadrant is actually quite restrictive as to what you can do, so maybe an alternative is to make the area you can take a corner from bigger.
posted on 8/10/20
How about you're only offside if the part of your body you scored with was offside. So you're running through on goal but your leg was offside, you can get can take it round the keeper then lie down and head the ball in and it's not offside. Would be fun.
posted on 8/10/20
Rule number 2? You're allowed to have the ball go out of play but then come back into play? How is that fair?
Rule number 3 is also just stupid. So basically you're allowed to play a cross-field pass if you wanted to rather than just throwing it short. I guess it is a way of bypassing the high press that a lot of teams put on these days though, but still not for me.
The offside rule is an interesting concept, but essentially only the opposite of what we have in place now. I do quite like the idea of giving an advantage to the attackers though in all fairness but it would affect the defensive side of the game massively for sure.
posted on 8/10/20
Can you be offside from a kick in? Cos you can't from a throw in. Imagine the ball goes out near the halfway line, the forward can then just sprint through on goal and the player taking the kick in can just pick him out quickly.
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