Of course you would have a vote Irish.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Saw someone mention a United Ireland.
I have to say I never thought I'd see it within my lifetime (I'm 46), but I definitely reckon there will be a vote within the next decade.
My gut feeling is a it won't pass and I do wonder how our already overstressed public services would cope with the influx of an additional 1 million citizens.
On Wales and scotland I believe both should have the right to make the choice as to whether they want independence or not (,I am aware scotland have already once rejected this but I think the outcome would be different second time around)
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Think so too.
The shinners etc are going to have a great argument for unity when the NI protocol is implemented.
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Going to be an interesting few years coming up. Although I think sinn Fein may have missed their chance here. I can't stand mary lou by the way.
What's your opinion on a United Ireland as you'd have a vote where as I wouldn't
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I kinda preferred things the way they were. But then came Brexit and everything changed. I think, with a heavy heart I'd vote for unity.
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 13 seconds ago
Of course you would have a vote Irish.
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I've never looked into it in any detail barry but I thought it would solely be held in the north although thinking again that would be an independence vote.
I really don't know how I'd vote on unity to be honest. Yourself?
Pearce
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
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I was going to comment earlier discussing how Westminster could prevent Scottish Independence, given latest polling showing 58% are in favour of it.
I was going to say that Westminster could go on the front foot, propose another vote/referendum and offer enhanced Devolution terms or propose a more Federal system.
However I dont know how they can offer that in light of the Internal Market Bill. In my opinion they can't stem the appetite for Independence.
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We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
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Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
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🤣🤣
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 18 seconds ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotland - Scotdence
Wales - Weldence
Ireland - Fook of Sasna (only joking before anyone wets their panties)
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
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I'm not voting for Scotshit anymore because Alec Salmon is a creep. His behaviour has totally put me off it.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 18 seconds ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotland - Scotdence
Wales - Weldence
Ireland - Fook of Sasna (only joking before anyone wets their panties)
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Erm....not very slip off your tongue snappy
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 55 seconds ago
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
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An adult discussion involving our chancers. Chance would be a fine thing.
FFS they can't even order non dangerous hand sanitizer for the schools
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's probably easier to feel British if you're English as it's pretty much interchangable IMO.
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Not at all Diallo, the little Englanders are probably more determined to be English over British that the Scots and the Welsh are. And they are not bluffing like you guys are.
There is a belief in England on the Right that England could make it as an independent nation, alone. Which has a lot more truth in it that Wales and Scotland's chances are.
Independence for Scotland and wales would be an absolute disaster for you guys, especially outside the EU. But you know that anyway. And the English Right are prepared to chuck you under the bus, probably lead by Boris and Farage. They will keep poking you until you break.
You really don't want, what you wish for.
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I shall respectfully disagree with you on this one.
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 55 seconds ago
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
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An adult discussion involving our chancers. Chance would be a fine thing.
FFS they can't even order non dangerous hand sanitizer for the schools
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I don't think we will have a referendum until FF/FG have a strong presence in NI. Self preservation and all that.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
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Was reading a bit about this the other day. You'll have to register (for VAT purposes) to HMRC. You've probably seen this:
https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
It's a mess. British companies who export products of animal origin to the EU are feked. So I expect the UKGov will have to back down.
You could always export to NI instead
Is Wales not just a crappy version of Scotland that's just full of English tourists cos they're too lazy to come up to the better version?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
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Was reading a bit about this the other day. You'll have to register (for VAT purposes) to HMRC. You've probably seen this:
https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
It's a mess. British companies who export products of animal origin to the EU are feked. So I expect the UKGov will have to back down.
You could always export to NI instead
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We’ve got three options basically:
- New expensive and time-consuming bureaucratic processes, solely for the UK market (we don’t have to do *anything* like this for the US, Canada, NZ, Aus, HK, Japan, etc. all of which we sell into) the significant costs of which we’ll have to pass on to UK customers (and there’s no way we’ll be asking our non-UK customers to subsidise them)
- Withdraw from the UK market
- And I cant believe I’m saying this, but stick two fingers up at the UK govt, refuse to register and let HMRC come after us if they ever catch us, which we have to consider as a strategy, at least short term.
If you want to back out of the EU VAT regime then you have to suck up the consequences. Tell the UK consumer that they’ll have to pay VAT at the border on all EU retail imports or set a threshold that allows SMEs to operate in the market. You can’t just put up a wall and shrug your shoulders.
If you have to make things more difficult for the UK consumer, then do so. It’s better that way than actually reducing their choice by excluding SMEs from the market.
Sorry for derailing, Diafol.
I’ve banned myself from the politics thread, needed to vent about the UK govt’s insane Brexit strategy and saw WWSPD, whom I know shares my frustrations.
As to the OP, my twopenneth is that decentralisation is usually good for democracy, something in short supply and under threat in the UK. Ultimately, it should be up to the Welsh people to determine their own futures, and should they get the opportunity to do so, I’d encourage them to ensure the debate didn’t focus solely on financial matters.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry for derailing, Diafol.
I’ve banned myself from the politics thread, needed to vent about the UK govt’s insane Brexit strategy and saw WWSPD, whom I know shares my frustrations.
As to the OP, my twopenneth is that decentralisation is usually good for democracy, something in short supply and under threat in the UK. Ultimately, it should be up to the Welsh people to determine their own futures, and should they get the opportunity to do so, I’d encourage them to ensure the debate didn’t focus solely on financial matters.
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It's OK Rosso. It's always interesting reading these comments.
As for independence I think there should be two conversations. Those being the principle of it and, if people are supportive in principle, the economic aspect later. That's what should have happened with Brexit too IMO. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how Brexit and Covid has driven the growing Indy movement. A lot of people in Wales think that Westminster is taking a great big dump on us.
If you're interested here's a link to Sion Jobbins of Yes Cymru talking with Kelvin McKenzie (who was disparaging towards Wales earlier this week) - https://twitter.com/YesCymru/status/1319341619389366279
Jobbins has been on RT quite often as well because the UK media won't really give him a voice. I though he handled it well and it does give a bit of background into the movement in Wales.
I can't emphasise enough that this isn't anti-English though. I wouldn't want to be part of it if that were the case.
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posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
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Snappy and original
Although Pradael sounds like something Gimli the son of gloin would eat for breakfast !
🤣
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
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Snappy and original
Although Pradael sounds like something Gimli the son of gloin would eat for breakfast !
🤣
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Tolkien was fascinated by the Welsh language. A lot of the words used in LOTR sound Welsh and Arwen, for example, is a Welsh name.
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Of course you would have a vote Irish.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Saw someone mention a United Ireland.
I have to say I never thought I'd see it within my lifetime (I'm 46), but I definitely reckon there will be a vote within the next decade.
My gut feeling is a it won't pass and I do wonder how our already overstressed public services would cope with the influx of an additional 1 million citizens.
On Wales and scotland I believe both should have the right to make the choice as to whether they want independence or not (,I am aware scotland have already once rejected this but I think the outcome would be different second time around)
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Think so too.
The shinners etc are going to have a great argument for unity when the NI protocol is implemented.
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Going to be an interesting few years coming up. Although I think sinn Fein may have missed their chance here. I can't stand mary lou by the way.
What's your opinion on a United Ireland as you'd have a vote where as I wouldn't
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I kinda preferred things the way they were. But then came Brexit and everything changed. I think, with a heavy heart I'd vote for unity.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 13 seconds ago
Of course you would have a vote Irish.
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I've never looked into it in any detail barry but I thought it would solely be held in the north although thinking again that would be an independence vote.
I really don't know how I'd vote on unity to be honest. Yourself?
Pearce
posted on 23/10/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
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I was going to comment earlier discussing how Westminster could prevent Scottish Independence, given latest polling showing 58% are in favour of it.
I was going to say that Westminster could go on the front foot, propose another vote/referendum and offer enhanced Devolution terms or propose a more Federal system.
However I dont know how they can offer that in light of the Internal Market Bill. In my opinion they can't stem the appetite for Independence.
posted on 23/10/20
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posted on 23/10/20
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
posted on 23/10/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
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🤣🤣
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 18 seconds ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotland - Scotdence
Wales - Weldence
Ireland - Fook of Sasna (only joking before anyone wets their panties)
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Garry Brady (U1734)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 1 minute ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotshit
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I'm not voting for Scotshit anymore because Alec Salmon is a creep. His behaviour has totally put me off it.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 18 seconds ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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Scotland - Scotdence
Wales - Weldence
Ireland - Fook of Sasna (only joking before anyone wets their panties)
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Erm....not very slip off your tongue snappy
posted on 23/10/20
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 55 seconds ago
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
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An adult discussion involving our chancers. Chance would be a fine thing.
FFS they can't even order non dangerous hand sanitizer for the schools
posted on 23/10/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's probably easier to feel British if you're English as it's pretty much interchangable IMO.
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Not at all Diallo, the little Englanders are probably more determined to be English over British that the Scots and the Welsh are. And they are not bluffing like you guys are.
There is a belief in England on the Right that England could make it as an independent nation, alone. Which has a lot more truth in it that Wales and Scotland's chances are.
Independence for Scotland and wales would be an absolute disaster for you guys, especially outside the EU. But you know that anyway. And the English Right are prepared to chuck you under the bus, probably lead by Boris and Farage. They will keep poking you until you break.
You really don't want, what you wish for.
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I shall respectfully disagree with you on this one.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BB⁷ (U13430)
posted 55 seconds ago
Irish, I think we as an island need an adult discussion on it. We need details of how reunification would work.
If the vote was tomorrow I would most certainly vote yes as I feel we are better together than apart.
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An adult discussion involving our chancers. Chance would be a fine thing.
FFS they can't even order non dangerous hand sanitizer for the schools
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I don't think we will have a referendum until FF/FG have a strong presence in NI. Self preservation and all that.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
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Was reading a bit about this the other day. You'll have to register (for VAT purposes) to HMRC. You've probably seen this:
https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
It's a mess. British companies who export products of animal origin to the EU are feked. So I expect the UKGov will have to back down.
You could always export to NI instead
posted on 23/10/20
Is Wales not just a crappy version of Scotland that's just full of English tourists cos they're too lazy to come up to the better version?
posted on 23/10/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Relations Secretary (U3126)
posted 14 seconds ago
Also worth noting the Internal Market Bill gives those seeking independence (in Wales and Scotland) a real platform to work on.
A whole range of currently devolved powers will be transposed to Westminster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst you’re here, we’ve just been looking at what we’d need to do (as things stand) to continue selling directly to UK retail customers after the New Year.
The UK would become the only country we’d be selling to worldwide that’d require us to register with the tax office for VAT purposes (we’re exempt, under the reg threshold or within the EU VAT regime everywhere else), and we’d need to make periodical payments against *some* sales (which we’d need to identify and differentiate), whilst customers would become responsible for others “at the border” on import.
Absolutely facking ridiculous. They’re basically sticking two fingers up at EU-based SMEs. We’re currently deciding whether we’re going to pull our products from the UK market (which would leave it being the only country in the world we won’t sell directly to) to the obvious detriment of the UK consumer. Another player in our market has already said it’s going to do so.
Madness, man. It’s utter madness. Whether they think they’re trying to pressure Brussels or give a boost UK business I don’t know, but it’s going to be the UK taxpayer and consumer that’ll ultimately lose out.
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Was reading a bit about this the other day. You'll have to register (for VAT purposes) to HMRC. You've probably seen this:
https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
It's a mess. British companies who export products of animal origin to the EU are feked. So I expect the UKGov will have to back down.
You could always export to NI instead
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We’ve got three options basically:
- New expensive and time-consuming bureaucratic processes, solely for the UK market (we don’t have to do *anything* like this for the US, Canada, NZ, Aus, HK, Japan, etc. all of which we sell into) the significant costs of which we’ll have to pass on to UK customers (and there’s no way we’ll be asking our non-UK customers to subsidise them)
- Withdraw from the UK market
- And I cant believe I’m saying this, but stick two fingers up at the UK govt, refuse to register and let HMRC come after us if they ever catch us, which we have to consider as a strategy, at least short term.
If you want to back out of the EU VAT regime then you have to suck up the consequences. Tell the UK consumer that they’ll have to pay VAT at the border on all EU retail imports or set a threshold that allows SMEs to operate in the market. You can’t just put up a wall and shrug your shoulders.
If you have to make things more difficult for the UK consumer, then do so. It’s better that way than actually reducing their choice by excluding SMEs from the market.
posted on 23/10/20
Sorry for derailing, Diafol.
I’ve banned myself from the politics thread, needed to vent about the UK govt’s insane Brexit strategy and saw WWSPD, whom I know shares my frustrations.
As to the OP, my twopenneth is that decentralisation is usually good for democracy, something in short supply and under threat in the UK. Ultimately, it should be up to the Welsh people to determine their own futures, and should they get the opportunity to do so, I’d encourage them to ensure the debate didn’t focus solely on financial matters.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry for derailing, Diafol.
I’ve banned myself from the politics thread, needed to vent about the UK govt’s insane Brexit strategy and saw WWSPD, whom I know shares my frustrations.
As to the OP, my twopenneth is that decentralisation is usually good for democracy, something in short supply and under threat in the UK. Ultimately, it should be up to the Welsh people to determine their own futures, and should they get the opportunity to do so, I’d encourage them to ensure the debate didn’t focus solely on financial matters.
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It's OK Rosso. It's always interesting reading these comments.
As for independence I think there should be two conversations. Those being the principle of it and, if people are supportive in principle, the economic aspect later. That's what should have happened with Brexit too IMO. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how Brexit and Covid has driven the growing Indy movement. A lot of people in Wales think that Westminster is taking a great big dump on us.
If you're interested here's a link to Sion Jobbins of Yes Cymru talking with Kelvin McKenzie (who was disparaging towards Wales earlier this week) - https://twitter.com/YesCymru/status/1319341619389366279
Jobbins has been on RT quite often as well because the UK media won't really give him a voice. I though he handled it well and it does give a bit of background into the movement in Wales.
I can't emphasise enough that this isn't anti-English though. I wouldn't want to be part of it if that were the case.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
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comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
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Snappy and original
Although Pradael sounds like something Gimli the son of gloin would eat for breakfast !
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posted on 23/10/20
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 9 minutes ago
We had BREXIT, what would a snappy scottish or irish or Welsh independence campaign be called?
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The Welsh one would be Pradael.
Pr from Prydain (Britain) and adael from gadael (leave)
The Scottish and Irish can think about theirs!
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Snappy and original
Although Pradael sounds like something Gimli the son of gloin would eat for breakfast !
🤣
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Tolkien was fascinated by the Welsh language. A lot of the words used in LOTR sound Welsh and Arwen, for example, is a Welsh name.
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