comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 3 minutes ago
Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
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So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
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I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
If you think of Lampard and Ballack playing either side of Essien then Havertz and Mount either side of Kante works for me.
The main difference being that we have less height compared to the Essien based trio.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 3 minutes ago
Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
___________________
So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
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I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-reveals-frank-lampards-midfield-plan-for-chelsea-loanee-ethan-ampadu-13508831/
This lad will do actuslly
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
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Yes, but if our team can gel for a change we can destroy them
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
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Yes, but if our team can gel for a change we can destroy them
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I'm sure I said as much earlier
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 3 minutes ago
Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
___________________
So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
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I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-reveals-frank-lampards-midfield-plan-for-chelsea-loanee-ethan-ampadu-13508831/
This lad will do actually
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^ This is why I don't get the supposed interest in Declan Rice!
Corrected your spelling as well - couldn't resist a chance to shame you!
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
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424 I meant... We just ran roughshod over them because we could
this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
We've already seen a huge improvement just by having Mendy and Silva in the side and not having kepa and Alonso
This equates to something like a 25% improvement for my money, and hopefully is the platform for the new attacking guys to get forward and do the job
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
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424 I meant... We just ran roughshod over them because we could
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But the point is that 4 3 3 leaves a two man midfield still in place when we are attacking as opposed to a non existent midfield in the 4 2 3 1
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
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I don't think you will find a professional manager agreeing with you, but heh ho
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
No... Probably not but look at some of the results in the premiership this year...explain to me what formation Liverpool were using or thought was best for the job when they lost 7-2 at villa for instance
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
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Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
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Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
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No more like trying to squeeze both Mount and Havertz into a front three, when neither play well out wide.
Like playing Pulisic on the right instead of the left.
Like playing Werner behind Tammy.
Like playing Kante as a passing midfielder.
Like playing Jorghino as a DM
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 minutes ago
I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
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I am not even sure what this posts means. I know you would't be stupid enough to think that isolated result has any trend significance, so i'll treat it as random
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I am hopeful that Frank will see the light
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posted on 31/10/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 3 minutes ago
Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
___________________
So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
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I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
posted on 31/10/20
If you think of Lampard and Ballack playing either side of Essien then Havertz and Mount either side of Kante works for me.
The main difference being that we have less height compared to the Essien based trio.
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
posted on 31/10/20
One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 3 minutes ago
Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
___________________
So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-reveals-frank-lampards-midfield-plan-for-chelsea-loanee-ethan-ampadu-13508831/
This lad will do actuslly
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
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Yes, but if our team can gel for a change we can destroy them
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
posted on 31/10/20
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One thing is for sure..Burnley will be whole more difficult task than Krasdodor, whoever we play & whatever formation
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Yes, but if our team can gel for a change we can destroy them
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I'm sure I said as much earlier
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I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
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Except I didn't get the 'Constant Variable' thing!
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So far this season Brums Lampard has hoped the same core group of players (Werner, Havertz, Mount, Kante etc.) can be effective across a range of different formations once they “click”. The problem is that quite a few of the players aren’t effective playing wherever on the pitch so the balance is going to be all off anyway.
Lampard can still be flexible in his approach to games and line-ups, but there needs to be some stability with formation
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I'll go along with that Sidey. However I do think we've accumulated too many attacking players, specifically with Havertz and Mount.
I don't think we really needed Havertz as I think himself and Mason at the moment clash in Franks plan, which I think is the problem we're alluding to here.
Don't get me wrong I wasn't against signing Havertz, as when a special (supposedly) talent like that turns up and wants to join you it's hard to turn down. However I don't want his signing to be at the expense of Mount who I think is as good if not better (at the moment) than Kai.
Therefore it seems to be the obvious solution to me to drop Mount to a position he supposedly favours and I personally feel will balance the attacking formation and the central midfield, in essence killing two birds with one stone.
Well that's my opinion for what it's worth anyway!
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I think Havertz and Mount playing either side of a really good DM is an exciting prospect.
We can use Kante in that role for now, and maybe he can learn it and excel in that role, but we probably need to sign a top class DM though
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/sheffield-united-boss-chris-wilder-reveals-frank-lampards-midfield-plan-for-chelsea-loanee-ethan-ampadu-13508831/
This lad will do actually
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^ This is why I don't get the supposed interest in Declan Rice!
Corrected your spelling as well - couldn't resist a chance to shame you!
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I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
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424 I meant... We just ran roughshod over them because we could
posted on 31/10/20
this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
posted on 31/10/20
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
posted on 31/10/20
We've already seen a huge improvement just by having Mendy and Silva in the side and not having kepa and Alonso
This equates to something like a 25% improvement for my money, and hopefully is the platform for the new attacking guys to get forward and do the job
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I think at times formations are (or can be) over rated, in reality it's mostly it's about having the right/best personnel playing, & having defined instructions & a vision of the game/opponent at hand.
Football being what it is (especially currently) any side can be beaten, it's how you approach games...it's how you react to errors, going behind against the run of play, someone not quite on form, whatever...
Burnley will be a classic example of this today...we approach it right, there's a 0-2 win to be had for my money...we forget any of the above...or Frank doesn't act when he needs to...it slips away
Here's hoping
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Not really. The formation needs to fit to the players and provide balance. Just look at our last game once we were 4 3 4. Instant balance, with players comfortable in their roles.
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There's not a whole lot of difference in 433 to 434...one player pushing up slightly, and against a poor side in the CL...we'd do that anyway given the opportunity...that opportunity will/should present itself given the paramaters I stated
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Sorry...424 (which I guess is what you meant) or even 442 with 2 wing backs pushing on...it's all relative
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I meant 4 3 3. Which is way different from 4 2 4 or 4 4 2?
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Well... Once we've made the substitutions in midweek we were virtually that anyway
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Exactly
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424 I meant... We just ran roughshod over them because we could
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But the point is that 4 3 3 leaves a two man midfield still in place when we are attacking as opposed to a non existent midfield in the 4 2 3 1
posted on 31/10/20
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this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
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I don't think you will find a professional manager agreeing with you, but heh ho
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And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
posted on 31/10/20
No... Probably not but look at some of the results in the premiership this year...explain to me what formation Liverpool were using or thought was best for the job when they lost 7-2 at villa for instance
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And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
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Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
posted on 31/10/20
I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
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And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
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Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
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No more like trying to squeeze both Mount and Havertz into a front three, when neither play well out wide.
Like playing Pulisic on the right instead of the left.
Like playing Werner behind Tammy.
Like playing Kante as a passing midfielder.
Like playing Jorghino as a DM
posted on 31/10/20
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
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I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
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I am not even sure what this posts means. I know you would't be stupid enough to think that isolated result has any trend significance, so i'll treat it as random
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