comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
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You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
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Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
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No more like trying to squeeze both Mount and Havertz into a front three, when neither play well out wide.
Like playing Pulisic on the right instead of the left.
Like playing Werner behind Tammy.
Like playing Kante as a passing midfielder.
Like playing Jorghino as a DM
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Or playing jorginho at all
Even jorginho's party trick is gone now
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
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Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 minutes ago
I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
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I am not even sure what this posts means. I know you would't be stupid enough to think that isolated result has any trend significance, so i'll treat it as random
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Of course it was random that's exactly what I was alluding to earlier on... There's no calling games this year at the moment... Despite what formations you may or may not utilise
villa turned up on that day and probably every single player on that side played to their full potential... There's no real explaining what Liverpool would doing
Given the squad we've got now we should be playing at a very high expectation level more often than not if we are using our very best players when we can... Ideally in their best positions obviously...and even when they're slightly out of position
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
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I don't think you will find a professional manager agreeing with you, but heh ho
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What do professional managers know - they're getting sacked all the time!
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
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Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
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Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
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Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
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Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
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But you can have lots of possession and counter attack as well... Or just attack which is what we mostly did under Conte with the wingbacks
Not that I'm going to ask you to prove your point with stats or anything we went through that the other day...
But ...(if) you were to be able to show me stats on possession for Leicester,s season and our season winning the league to prove your point I will
1 be very surprised
2 concede your point entirely
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
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Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
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But you can have lots of possession and counter attack as well... Or just attack which is what we mostly did under Conte with the wingbacks
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of course and if teams sit deep then we would have more possession, but it was not key to how we or Leicester player or wanted to play
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 47 seconds ago
Not that I'm going to ask you to prove your point with stats or anything we went through that the other day...
But ...(if) you were to be able to show me stats on possession for Leicester,s season and our season winning the league to prove your point I will
1 be very surprised
2 concede your point entirely
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But i am not saying that they always had less possession, i am saying having possession was a tactical need for either manager or team.
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
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yep, it probbaly can can as teams that sit back will be attacked by a great front 3 and two great wingers and teams that go t0e 2 toe get picked off by the front 3
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
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yep, it probbaly can can as teams that sit back will be attacked by a great front 3 and two great wingers and teams that go t0e 2 toe get picked off by the front 3
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Maybe then this could be us in the next 2 years
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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Just as a side point would you say there are there any other players in the premiership that have this specific and extraordinary skill that Kante has... and/or are even better at it
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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Just as a side point would you say there are there any other players in the premiership that have this specific and extraordinary skill that Kante has... and/or are even better at it
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no...that is why it is so hard to consider dropping him
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
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Yes we established that last week... And my other question...?
Buy if we no longer wish to utilise him to his best, then we should cash inn and sell him to a club outside the PL
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
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Yes we established that last week... And my other question...?
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Oh...you've answered...I would agree that it's very difficult to drop kante... Although not for the reasons you think... His prowess off the ball being the specific one
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 seconds ago
Buy if we no longer wish to utilise him to his best, then we should cash inn and sell him to a club outside the PL
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Yeah why not... The worry is he goes to somewhere like United though
Frankly if we played him as defensive midfielder we would never need to drop him... And to my mind he doesn't need the lights of matic next to him
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posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
And given the fact that we look like we have spent the hazard money pretty well it would be fair to say that we should be expecting this by now... given the potential of the players we bought
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can but the right players but deploy them incorrectly. Exactly what Frank has been doing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like Kepa in goal
Alonso at LB
AC at CB
But yes I take your point...
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No more like trying to squeeze both Mount and Havertz into a front three, when neither play well out wide.
Like playing Pulisic on the right instead of the left.
Like playing Werner behind Tammy.
Like playing Kante as a passing midfielder.
Like playing Jorghino as a DM
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Or playing jorginho at all
posted on 31/10/20
Even jorginho's party trick is gone now
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 minutes ago
I can't believe Liverpool had that many players out of position on the day they got thrashed by villa
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I am not even sure what this posts means. I know you would't be stupid enough to think that isolated result has any trend significance, so i'll treat it as random
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Of course it was random that's exactly what I was alluding to earlier on... There's no calling games this year at the moment... Despite what formations you may or may not utilise
villa turned up on that day and probably every single player on that side played to their full potential... There's no real explaining what Liverpool would doing
Given the squad we've got now we should be playing at a very high expectation level more often than not if we are using our very best players when we can... Ideally in their best positions obviously...and even when they're slightly out of position
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
this reinforces my belief that formations aren't always everything once you take full control of a game you can play pretty much anywhere you like...
This will generally presuppose that you have the right personnel in place that they are playing to their full potential, and inevitably we will/shoild be ahead in the game and not behind through either errors or just maybe against the run of play
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you will find a professional manager agreeing with you, but heh ho
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What do professional managers know - they're getting sacked all the time!
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you can have lots of possession and counter attack as well... Or just attack which is what we mostly did under Conte with the wingbacks
posted on 31/10/20
Not that I'm going to ask you to prove your point with stats or anything we went through that the other day...
But ...(if) you were to be able to show me stats on possession for Leicester,s season and our season winning the league to prove your point I will
1 be very surprised
2 concede your point entirely
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose the Kante debate is the big one isn't it...the schools of thought are he is a defensive midfielder or isn't... or he is a box to box midfielder or isn't...
Either way both of those jobs come with certain responsibilities, and to my mind playing box to box he doesn't always complete the move where he should...and therefore I prefer him in the defensive midfield role personally.
So the big question is should he play at all if the majority think he's a box to box player and he isn't delivering - despite the fact that he's one of our best players on top form
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ideally we would have the players where he doesnt play at all. But that is not the case. He is not a natural DM, but i think he is the best we have to play that role.
He has never been a box to box midfielder, but Frank has tried to make him one. i understand why he has, but his passing lets him down.
Kante at his best was a destroyer and recycler midfield player. He needs a good DM behind him llike Matic in his prime) and then he can forage the ball in CM and recycle for quick transition.
He best suits teams that don;t want to dominate possession.That is why he did so well with Conte and Claudio.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never had him down as a box to box midfielder but most of the guys on our thread do... Myself and one or two others have been cut to pieces on here saying he should be playing as a defensive midfielder
so do you think both we and Leicester both won the league by not wanting to or being able to dominate possession most of the season then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, both were counter attacking sides who were not overly bothered about dominating possession.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you can have lots of possession and counter attack as well... Or just attack which is what we mostly did under Conte with the wingbacks
----------------------------------------------------------------------
of course and if teams sit deep then we would have more possession, but it was not key to how we or Leicester player or wanted to play
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 47 seconds ago
Not that I'm going to ask you to prove your point with stats or anything we went through that the other day...
But ...(if) you were to be able to show me stats on possession for Leicester,s season and our season winning the league to prove your point I will
1 be very surprised
2 concede your point entirely
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But i am not saying that they always had less possession, i am saying having possession was a tactical need for either manager or team.
posted on 31/10/20
was not a tactical need.
posted on 31/10/20
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
posted on 31/10/20
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yep, it probbaly can can as teams that sit back will be attacked by a great front 3 and two great wingers and teams that go t0e 2 toe get picked off by the front 3
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I guess it could be argued that Liverpool have almost perfected the art of both dominating possession and counter attacking with Robertson and Terence Trent D'Arby down the Wings
Thereby setting new standards in the premiership
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yep, it probbaly can can as teams that sit back will be attacked by a great front 3 and two great wingers and teams that go t0e 2 toe get picked off by the front 3
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe then this could be us in the next 2 years
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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Just as a side point would you say there are there any other players in the premiership that have this specific and extraordinary skill that Kante has... and/or are even better at it
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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Just as a side point would you say there are there any other players in the premiership that have this specific and extraordinary skill that Kante has... and/or are even better at it
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no...that is why it is so hard to consider dropping him
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
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Yes we established that last week... And my other question...?
posted on 31/10/20
Buy if we no longer wish to utilise him to his best, then we should cash inn and sell him to a club outside the PL
posted on 31/10/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
And Kante is at his best when we don't have possession, but we already had that discussion last week.
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We certainly did... And I'm still going to have to just take your word for that
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you don' t have to...it is just my view of him
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Yes we established that last week... And my other question...?
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Oh...you've answered...I would agree that it's very difficult to drop kante... Although not for the reasons you think... His prowess off the ball being the specific one
posted on 31/10/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 seconds ago
Buy if we no longer wish to utilise him to his best, then we should cash inn and sell him to a club outside the PL
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Yeah why not... The worry is he goes to somewhere like United though
posted on 31/10/20
Frankly if we played him as defensive midfielder we would never need to drop him... And to my mind he doesn't need the lights of matic next to him
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