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comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 1/12/20

Fact: Tammy is awful at heading the ball

posted on 1/12/20

comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
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I only use this site and nobody i talk to hates Tammy yet they generally all believe Giroud would've been there and finished those chances easily.
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I can't be certain of that, but I always prefer Giroud over Tammy in those situations.

But the other issue is Giroud just seemed an obviously better suited striker to the way that Spurs play. I think he would have brought Werner into ay more as he is our best target man by far.

posted on 1/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
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come off it Brum...they were gilt edged chances that Giroud buries...look at the chance he took v Rennes

I'd fancy him to take at least one of those..& as likely both if he's in the right place...stunning crosses

posted on 1/12/20

comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 6 minutes ago
Fact: Tammy is awful at heading the ball
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There's a fair bit he is awful at...to be fair

posted on 1/12/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by RtM (U1097)
posted 6 minutes ago
Fact: Tammy is awful at heading the ball
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There's a fair bit he is awful at...to be fair
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Starting with standing on his own two feet...at times

posted on 1/12/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
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come off it Brum...they were gilt edged chances that Giroud buries...look at the chance he took v Rennes

I'd fancy him to take at least one of those..& as likely both if he's in the right place...stunning crosses
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You're really comparing those chances to the one against Renne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 1/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
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come off it Brum...they were gilt edged chances that Giroud buries...look at the chance he took v Rennes

I'd fancy him to take at least one of those..& as likely both if he's in the right place...stunning crosses
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You're really comparing those chances to the one against Renne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No..the one against Rennes was much more difficult (for Giroud)
Do you think Tammy would have scored that...i'd doubt it

posted on 1/12/20

It was high, looping & there were two defenders on the line..the chances v Spurs were class crosses that just needed connecting...which Giroud is class at

posted on 1/12/20

The fact giroud scored a harder header in midweek kind of backs up the case

posted on 1/12/20

They are very different type chances though. But I back Giroud over Tammy to make a better and more intelligent run to get on the end of a RJ cross. It comes from experience. Just look at Cavani movement over the weekend. Cavani obviously been a more prolific goal scorer tha Giroud, but he is no lo ger that quick. It's about thinking fast

posted on 1/12/20

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
The fact giroud scored a harder header in midweek kind of backs up the case
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Very different type of chain e though Nick. The chances that RJ create are all about anticipation, gambling and movement

posted on 1/12/20

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posted on 1/12/20

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
come off it Brum...they were gilt edged chances that Giroud buries...look at the chance he took v Rennes

I'd fancy him to take at least one of those..& as likely both if he's in the right place...stunning crosses
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You're really comparing those chances to the one against Renne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No..the one against Rennes was much more difficult (for Giroud)
Do you think Tammy would have scored that...i'd doubt it
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Sorry Sheriff, no where near as hard in my opinion.

Giroud had a far earier chance in injury time and fluffed it. Am I going to blame him for it - of course not, that's football and things don't always happen the way you want!!

Just seems to me, now Kepa is out the way, people are looking for another scapegoat!

posted on 1/12/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
They are very different type chances though. But I back Giroud over Tammy to make a better and more intelligent run to get on the end of a RJ cross. It comes from experience. Just look at Cavani movement over the weekend. Cavani obviously been a more prolific goal scorer tha Giroud, but he is no lo ger that quick. It's about thinking fast
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This is a much more constructive post!

posted on 1/12/20

I was only calling for Tammy to be dropped for this particular game. He is doing OK in general and it makes sense over the season to prliorotise his development. I. just felt Giroud was the horses for courses selection agst Spurs.

But I don't thinks it's revisionist to point out the very significant contribution that Giroud made to us finishing 4th last season.

posted on 1/12/20

Getting away from the pro's and cons of certain members of our playing staff, at the start of the season I didn't expect us to win the league and that expectation has changed.

The squad seems to be maturing faster than I expected and has become one of the more exciting of our teams to watch than for some time.

Frank's a part of that and I'm happy with what I'm seeing of his development as well - even the so called special one hasn't bested him in 90 minutes yet!

posted on 1/12/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
I was only calling for Tammy to be dropped for this particular game. He is doing OK in general and it makes sense over the season to prliorotise his development. I. just felt Giroud was the horses for courses selection agst Spurs.

But I don't thinks it's revisionist to point out the very significant contribution that Giroud made to us finishing 4th last season.
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And I'm happy to acknowledge that contribution as well - but you have to concede that without Tammy's 15 goals, Girouds would have been in vain, in context of finishing in a CL position.

posted on 1/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 minutes ago
Getting away from the pro's and cons of certain members of our playing staff, at the start of the season I didn't expect us to win the league and that expectation has changed.

The squad seems to be maturing faster than I expected and has become one of the more exciting of our teams to watch than for some time.

Frank's a part of that and I'm happy with what I'm seeing of his development as well - even the so called special one hasn't bested him in 90 minutes yet!
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I don't think we are ready to win the league, both in terms of the squad and the manager.

But, this season does feel like it may be unique due to many factors that we all know about, so there is this strong unknown element where the unexpected can happen

posted on 1/12/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 2 minutes ago
Getting away from the pro's and cons of certain members of our playing staff, at the start of the season I didn't expect us to win the league and that expectation has changed.

The squad seems to be maturing faster than I expected and has become one of the more exciting of our teams to watch than for some time.

Frank's a part of that and I'm happy with what I'm seeing of his development as well - even the so called special one hasn't bested him in 90 minutes yet!
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I don't think we are ready to win the league, both in terms of the squad and the manager.

But, this season does feel like it may be unique due to many factors that we all know about, so there is this strong unknown element where the unexpected can happen
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It seems a bit like when we won it under Mourinho for the 3rd time, we didn't look like title contenders after Xmas but no other team stepped up to the plate either!

posted on 1/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 4 minutes ago
I was only calling for Tammy to be dropped for this particular game. He is doing OK in general and it makes sense over the season to prliorotise his development. I. just felt Giroud was the horses for courses selection agst Spurs.

But I don't thinks it's revisionist to point out the very significant contribution that Giroud made to us finishing 4th last season.
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And I'm happy to acknowledge that contribution as well - but you have to concede that without Tammy's 15 goals, Girouds would have been in vain, in context of finishing in a CL position.
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I am not a huge critic of Tammy. I just want him to improve his overall game in order to make it at Chelsea. But I was responding to the running narrative of the day from a few who feel that Giroud's contributions and worth are a little overhyped.I don't think that is the case.

posted on 1/12/20

Giroud's contributions shouldn't be overlooked and he's made me re-think my opinion of him from 12 months ago but I still personally don't think he's as effective when he starts games.

Essentially though, they're both different players who both bring different things to the party.

I think had it been me, I'd have swapped then around the half hour mark to change things round and give the $purs defence something else to think about but I still find it ludicrous to claim that we'd have been 2-0 up if Giroud had been on the pitch when James put his crosses in!

posted on 1/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
Giroud's contributions shouldn't be overlooked and he's made me re-think my opinion of him from 12 months ago but I still personally don't think he's as effective when he starts games.

Essentially though, they're both different players who both bring different things to the party.

I think had it been me, I'd have swapped then around the half hour mark to change things round and give the $purs defence something else to think about but I still find it ludicrous to claim that we'd have been 2-0 up if Giroud had been on the pitch when James put his crosses in!
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Yes, I agree. Nobody knowsfor sure.

I am however frustrated that as a team we are not capitalising enough I'd RJs crosses. He is such a threat with his delivery and we must start putting more of his crosses in the net.

posted on 1/12/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
Giroud's contributions shouldn't be overlooked and he's made me re-think my opinion of him from 12 months ago but I still personally don't think he's as effective when he starts games.

Essentially though, they're both different players who both bring different things to the party.

I think had it been me, I'd have swapped then around the half hour mark to change things round and give the $purs defence something else to think about but I still find it ludicrous to claim that we'd have been 2-0 up if Giroud had been on the pitch when James put his crosses in!
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Yes, I agree. Nobody knowsfor sure.

I am however frustrated that as a team we are not capitalising enough I'd RJs crosses. He is such a threat with his delivery and we must start putting more of his crosses in the net.
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It will come Biggish, it will come!

posted on 2/12/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 10 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There is absolutely no evidence to support that at all.

They weren't easy chances and claims I've seen on some social media sites, from Tammy haters, claiming them to be 'Sitters' are laughable.
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come off it Brum...they were gilt edged chances that Giroud buries...look at the chance he took v Rennes

I'd fancy him to take at least one of those..& as likely both if he's in the right place...stunning crosses
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You're really comparing those chances to the one against Renne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No..the one against Rennes was much more difficult (for Giroud)
Do you think Tammy would have scored that...i'd doubt it
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Sorry Sheriff, no where near as hard in my opinion.

Giroud had a far earier chance in injury time and fluffed it. Am I going to blame him for it - of course not, that's football and things don't always happen the way you want!!

Just seems to me, now Kepa is out the way, people are looking for another scapegoat!
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well...we will not be in alignment on this then Brum...

Would Giroud have made those runs to get to those crosses...I don't know

would he have scored at least one of them, if not both...likely i'd say as he's a step up with his head than Tammy

Re Giroud's late chip effort...ok yeah not great...was it easier...I don't believe it was, but we've seen him score worldy's before
Would Tammy have scored that chance...possibly but I wouldn't put a whole lot on it...CHO maybe

posted on 2/12/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 9 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
Giroud's contributions shouldn't be overlooked and he's made me re-think my opinion of him from 12 months ago but I still personally don't think he's as effective when he starts games.

Essentially though, they're both different players who both bring different things to the party.

I think had it been me, I'd have swapped then around the half hour mark to change things round and give the $purs defence something else to think about but I still find it ludicrous to claim that we'd have been 2-0 up if Giroud had been on the pitch when James put his crosses in!
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Yes, I agree. Nobody knowsfor sure.

I am however frustrated that as a team we are not capitalising enough I'd RJs crosses. He is such a threat with his delivery and we must start putting more of his crosses in the net.
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Werner needs to be on the end of these surely...starts attacks a tad deep at times for me still

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