comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
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To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
Seedorf, Modric, Davids were cogs in good teams not the standouts.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
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To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
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I’d agree with that about Pirlo - at the very least it’s misremembered. However he was excellent around 05-07 when competing with Seedorf. The point was more that I wouldn’t include him as I think the best midfielder would have had to have been the best at the club for a long time - Modric and Xavi certainly epitomise this.
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 27 minutes ago
I think Seedorf has to be in the mix imo.
He won an awful lot and was very good at pretty much everything football.
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I considered him, but he is a bit like lampard, very good and with decent longevity but not a once in a generation footballer
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
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To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
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I’d agree with that about Pirlo - at the very least it’s misremembered. However he was excellent around 05-07 when competing with Seedorf. The point was more that I wouldn’t include him as I think the best midfielder would have had to have been the best at the club for a long time - Modric and Xavi certainly epitomise this.
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in terms of modric, who i know you love, would be interesting to see ioags view as a madrid fan. Who is better him or kroos.
I’d imagine he’d say Modric but would be interesting - Kroos is certainly for consideration too
My pick:
Xavi
Iniesta
Modric
Scholes
Pirlo
Yaya Toure over someone like Lampard? I’m a massive Yaya Toure fan but I feel he lives off his one great season he had which was 13/14. That season he was as good as any of Gerrard’s or Lampard’s best seasons, he was phenomenal. But other than that his seasons with City varied from good to average.
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
My alternative #5
1. Paul Scholes
2. Wayne Rooney
3. Bruno Fernandes
4. Michael Carrick
5. Henrik Larsson
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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Hey man Ronaldo and Rooney played where ever they wanted and they still won everything, argument closed.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
John O'Shea, so good he could play in goals. He sits comforatbly in 6th. Could Gerrard or Xavi play in goals? No. John O'Shea > Gerrard & Xavi
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
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Or Kleberson and Quinton Fortune
Before football existed
Bremner
Souness
Robson
Socrates
Neeskens
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
The fact Matthaus isn't in your list upsets me.
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I'm surprised that you're still the only one to have mentioned him
Any takers on Darren Gibson?
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
Any takers on Darren Gibson?
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everton
Matthaus played CM for a very good good chunk of his best years. Don't think he moved back until his 30s, although admittedly he longevity of his career means he played there a good few years as well.
Matthias Sammer was also a great midfielder whilst we're on Germans. Probably not as good as Lothar or top 5 but still very good indeed.
I'm guessing if you're ruling out Matthaus then you're probably ruling out Desailly as well? In fairness I think he's at least as well know as a CB.
Platini too much of an ACM?
Before my time but Charlton surely worth a mention, always stated as up there with the best CMs.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
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Loyal but unrealistic. Scholes is only one that realisticly comes in question, I put him also in my top 5.
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 11 minutes ago
Fernando Redondo
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was tempted to have him in. EXCELLENT FOOTBALLER
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 2 seconds ago
Yaya 13/14 is best season of any midfielder in pl history.
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quite possibly...but that's not the question.
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You said Yaya is overrated.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 3 minutes ago
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You said Yaya is overrated.
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i think people tend to remember his best year(s) and misremember all his years as being like that - see also coutinho, xabi alonso, even (whisper it quietly) drogba.
in these discussions i often feel that longevity is underrated, because it's easier to remember individual moments/seasons than entire careers, but it's no fluke that, say, giggs could win a PL at 35, or modric a ballon d'or at 33.
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posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
posted on 1/12/20
Seedorf, Modric, Davids were cogs in good teams not the standouts.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
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I’d agree with that about Pirlo - at the very least it’s misremembered. However he was excellent around 05-07 when competing with Seedorf. The point was more that I wouldn’t include him as I think the best midfielder would have had to have been the best at the club for a long time - Modric and Xavi certainly epitomise this.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 27 minutes ago
I think Seedorf has to be in the mix imo.
He won an awful lot and was very good at pretty much everything football.
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I considered him, but he is a bit like lampard, very good and with decent longevity but not a once in a generation footballer
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never really bought into the Seedorf thing. I get that his longevity and honours list is insane, I just never watched him dominate games like so many of the greats.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To add to this, Seedorf also managed to not even be the best midfielder for the majority of the teams he played in (Davids, Rikjaard, Redondo, Pirlo, Kaka etc)
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See I think a large chunk if Pirlo's career is vastly overrated and that Kaka didn't do it long enough. I was also working to the OPs description.
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I’d agree with that about Pirlo - at the very least it’s misremembered. However he was excellent around 05-07 when competing with Seedorf. The point was more that I wouldn’t include him as I think the best midfielder would have had to have been the best at the club for a long time - Modric and Xavi certainly epitomise this.
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in terms of modric, who i know you love, would be interesting to see ioags view as a madrid fan. Who is better him or kroos.
posted on 1/12/20
I’d imagine he’d say Modric but would be interesting - Kroos is certainly for consideration too
posted on 1/12/20
My pick:
Xavi
Iniesta
Modric
Scholes
Pirlo
posted on 1/12/20
Yaya Toure over someone like Lampard? I’m a massive Yaya Toure fan but I feel he lives off his one great season he had which was 13/14. That season he was as good as any of Gerrard’s or Lampard’s best seasons, he was phenomenal. But other than that his seasons with City varied from good to average.
posted on 1/12/20
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
posted on 1/12/20
My alternative #5
1. Paul Scholes
2. Wayne Rooney
3. Bruno Fernandes
4. Michael Carrick
5. Henrik Larsson
posted on 1/12/20
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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Hey man Ronaldo and Rooney played where ever they wanted and they still won everything, argument closed.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
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You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
posted on 1/12/20
John O'Shea, so good he could play in goals. He sits comforatbly in 6th. Could Gerrard or Xavi play in goals? No. John O'Shea > Gerrard & Xavi
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
------------------------------
You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
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Or Kleberson and Quinton Fortune
posted on 1/12/20
Before football existed
Bremner
Souness
Robson
Socrates
Neeskens
posted on 1/12/20
Fernando Redondo
posted on 1/12/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
The fact Matthaus isn't in your list upsets me.
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I'm surprised that you're still the only one to have mentioned him
posted on 1/12/20
Any takers on Darren Gibson?
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
Any takers on Darren Gibson?
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everton
posted on 1/12/20
Matthaus played CM for a very good good chunk of his best years. Don't think he moved back until his 30s, although admittedly he longevity of his career means he played there a good few years as well.
Matthias Sammer was also a great midfielder whilst we're on Germans. Probably not as good as Lothar or top 5 but still very good indeed.
I'm guessing if you're ruling out Matthaus then you're probably ruling out Desailly as well? In fairness I think he's at least as well know as a CB.
Platini too much of an ACM?
Before my time but Charlton surely worth a mention, always stated as up there with the best CMs.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
1. Paul Scholes
2. Roy Keane
3. Cristiano Ronaldo
4. Wayne Rooney
5. Bruno Fernandes
------------------------------
You could put Van der Saar. LOL. Cristiano and Rooney midfielders?
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we're a loyal bunch.
but you're probably right, replace those two with carrick and alan smith.
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Loyal but unrealistic. Scholes is only one that realisticly comes in question, I put him also in my top 5.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by 4zA (U22472)
posted 11 minutes ago
Fernando Redondo
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was tempted to have him in. EXCELLENT FOOTBALLER
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 2 seconds ago
Yaya 13/14 is best season of any midfielder in pl history.
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quite possibly...but that's not the question.
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You said Yaya is overrated.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 3 minutes ago
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You said Yaya is overrated.
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i think people tend to remember his best year(s) and misremember all his years as being like that - see also coutinho, xabi alonso, even (whisper it quietly) drogba.
in these discussions i often feel that longevity is underrated, because it's easier to remember individual moments/seasons than entire careers, but it's no fluke that, say, giggs could win a PL at 35, or modric a ballon d'or at 33.
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