Untill all the facts are known,pointless making guesses of what happened.

It seems like a total mix up from what we've got from It so far. Tensions are high. Picking out someone from the crowd by their skin colour to identify them is absolutely fine and has never been an issue and never should be one. The coach has got his back up because he thought he was called the N word and its all got a bit silly from there. Demba Ba barking up the wrong tree with the black guy accusation. Fair play for both teams sticking together. Its a start.

Total misunderstanding last night.

I guess the description was the easiest differentiator to the rest of the bench.

I agree with this sentiment to be honest.

https://twitter.com/lbertozzi/status/1336668604872482816

This is in Portuguese so you will need to hit the translate button unless you're from the country or live there of course (not sure if any on this forum do though).

We’d know if anyone lived in Portugal Diafol, they’d surely tell us.

comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 14 minutes ago
It seems like a total mix up from what we've got from It so far. Tensions are high. Picking out someone from the crowd by their skin colour to identify them is absolutely fine and has never been an issue and never should be one. The coach has got his back up because he thought he was called the N word and its all got a bit silly from there. Demba Ba barking up the wrong tree with the black guy accusation. Fair play for both teams sticking together. Its a start.

Total misunderstanding last night.
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Well said, this.

I thought it was something far worse, but pointing to a black person saying that black guy is in no way racist.

Like anything there will be a spectrum of what constitutes as racist. Identifying someone by the colour of their skin is wrong and shouldn’t really be done but I’m not sure it’s done to offend. Sounds more like ignorance by someone who doesn’t live in an environment with much multiculturalism so sees a POC as someone visually ‘different’.

But the truth is we don’t have all the facts so it’s hard to judge too much.

You could question who is actually displaying racist behaviour in this context. Would they have reacted the way they did if it was a black person using their race to identify someone who was the only black person on the coaching staff?

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 14 minutes ago
We’d know if anyone lived in Portugal Diafol, they’d surely tell us.
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True.

I mean I have no idea where you're from?

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 38 minutes ago
I agree with this sentiment to be honest.

https://twitter.com/lbertozzi/status/1336668604872482816

This is in Portuguese so you will need to hit the translate button unless you're from the country or live there of course (not sure if any on this forum do though).
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It's a clumsy thing for the guy to have said. I don't know if we can expect people to have committed to memory the names, faces and roles of multiple strangers all the time though, even when it's part of their job.

There's just no need to say it. Whether people say it is racist, or whether it is just "saying who he is", there's no need to mention ethnicity or colour of skin.

All those people who say taking a knee for BLM doesn't matter, the incidents at Millwall and the PSG game shows that it clearly does matter.

How a professional UEFA official has managed this is simply disgraceful and he should certainly lose his job. Basaksehir did right imo.

comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 29 minutes ago
You could question who is actually displaying racist behaviour in this context. Would they have reacted the way they did if it was a black person using their race to identify someone who was the only black person on the coaching staff?
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Or if he'd said 'the white one' if he were the only white coach among 6 black ones?

Think John Barnes Tweet nailed it.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 38 minutes ago
Like anything there will be a spectrum of what constitutes as racist. Identifying someone by the colour of their skin is wrong and shouldn’t really be done but I’m not sure it’s done to offend. Sounds more like ignorance by someone who doesn’t live in an environment with much multiculturalism so sees a POC as someone visually ‘different’.

But the truth is we don’t have all the facts so it’s hard to judge too much.
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Why is it wrong? He is black isn't he? It is no difference to pointing out the blonde guy, the tall guy, the big guy, the white guy.

Everyday and everyone is calling it black people. Black lives matter.

The problem here is that words in some languages are far too similar to the N word. I can see how someone thinks negru or negrito means negro or the other N word. Negro in many languages just means black.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
There's just no need to say it. Whether people say it is racist, or whether it is just "saying who he is", there's no need to mention ethnicity or colour of skin.

All those people who say taking a knee for BLM doesn't matter, the incidents at Millwall and the PSG game shows that it clearly does matter.

How a professional UEFA official has managed this is simply disgraceful and he should certainly lose his job. Basaksehir did right imo.
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Fecking hell, shooting an innocent guy because he is black is a bit different from a pointing to someone as 'the black guy'.

Why does colour of skin have to be pointed out to differentiate somebody though, that is the big problem here. There is no need to do that, there are other ways of doing this which does not involve the colour of someone's skin.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 seconds ago
Why does colour of skin have to be pointed out to differentiate somebody though, that is the big problem here. There is no need to do that, there are other ways of doing this which does not involve the colour of someone's skin.
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https://twitter.com/officialbarnesy/status/1336542879947378688

comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
There's just no need to say it. Whether people say it is racist, or whether it is just "saying who he is", there's no need to mention ethnicity or colour of skin.

All those people who say taking a knee for BLM doesn't matter, the incidents at Millwall and the PSG game shows that it clearly does matter.

How a professional UEFA official has managed this is simply disgraceful and he should certainly lose his job. Basaksehir did right imo.
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Fecking hell, shooting an innocent guy because he is black is a bit different from a pointing to someone as 'the black guy'.
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It's racist, simple as that. He should lose his job for being racist.

It shouldn't matter what the word means in anyone's language, why do you need to refer to somebody by the colour of their skin? That's why he should lose his job because it isn't correct.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 seconds ago
Why does colour of skin have to be pointed out to differentiate somebody though, that is the big problem here. There is no need to do that, there are other ways of doing this which does not involve the colour of someone's skin.
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How is it different from using someone's height or hair colour?

comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 14 seconds ago
Why does colour of skin have to be pointed out to differentiate somebody though, that is the big problem here. There is no need to do that, there are other ways of doing this which does not involve the colour of someone's skin.
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How is it different from using someone's height or hair colour?
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In principle, it isn't. But in practice, it very much is.

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 8 seconds ago
Why does colour of skin have to be pointed out to differentiate somebody though, that is the big problem here. There is no need to do that, there are other ways of doing this which does not involve the colour of someone's skin.
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https://twitter.com/officialbarnesy/status/1336542879947378688
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Get the official, referee or whoever and direct him to the person they wish to talk to.

Not say, "this black guy has done something wrong". That is wrong to do.

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
There's just no need to say it. Whether people say it is racist, or whether it is just "saying who he is", there's no need to mention ethnicity or colour of skin.

All those people who say taking a knee for BLM doesn't matter, the incidents at Millwall and the PSG game shows that it clearly does matter.

How a professional UEFA official has managed this is simply disgraceful and he should certainly lose his job. Basaksehir did right imo.
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Fecking hell, shooting an innocent guy because he is black is a bit different from a pointing to someone as 'the black guy'.
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It's racist, simple as that. He should lose his job for being racist.

It shouldn't matter what the word means in anyone's language, why do you need to refer to somebody by the colour of their skin? That's why he should lose his job because it isn't correct.
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Ow feck off, over the top PC bullcrap, there is nothing racist about it. Look up the meaning of racist ffs.

If they were all 60+ and the one coach he wanted to point out to the ref was a 25 year old, and he said the 'young one' would it be ageist?

Of if it were 6 male coaches and a female one, and he says to the ref it was 'the woman/female', is it sexist?

For the record, if it isn't racist or discriminatory, why would everyone make a big deal out of it?