It was Berba then you that brought up slavery as some tool to bash our history over the head with despite us leading the way to abolish it and go further by leading the world in ending it in an unprecedented way.
So it was actually you wasting time, not me. Hopefully there is some information there now that you and others weren’t aware of and you can change your opinion on the matter or at least dilute said opinion.
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
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posted 2 minutes ago
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
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Yup
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
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Yup
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Good copy & paste job too.
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
Imagine using The Bible to justify anything, it does indeed say you’re allowed to keep slaves, it also says a woman must marry her rapist and that kids who back chat their parents can be stoned to death.
So not exactly where I look for moral guidance, and don’t get me started on the zombies, talking snakes and pregnant virgins.
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posted 4 minutes ago
You too.
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I wrote mine originally, you lifted it from a website.
OK. Mine's from the National Archives.
National Archives > Sat Nav (U18243)
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
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posted 1 minute ago
OK. Mine's from the National Archives.
National Archives > Sat Nav (U18243)
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Bah, you win.
But answer me this - were you previously aware of the points I raised or not?
Yeah that was a waste of time. Should've just said what you meant.
Yes I knew the Brits had a hand in ending slavery.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 seconds ago
Yeah that was a waste of time. Should've just said what you meant.
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Well it would have been a waste of time me posting that if you or others already knew it all. I took a gamble that most of you didn’t know that and with all the great bars, I’m sure sizzle is going mad right now 😂
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes I knew the Brits had a hand in ending slavery.
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It’s a bit more than a hand but ok.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
I suspected you might try to get out of it like that. Two things.
1. Either you're full of chit, because your little disclaimer.
2. You're wasting everyone's time by talking in riddles.
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We're a page away from just saying yeah. Number 2
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
I suspected you might try to get out of it like that. Two things.
1. Either you're full of chit, because your little disclaimer.
2. You're wasting everyone's time by talking in riddles.
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We're a page away from just saying yeah. Number 2
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You mentioned slavery as a dig towards my country and I corrected you. You don’t get to have a say in the manner of which I do that.,
You don't get to correct me. Britain trading millions of slaves is nothing to be proud of.
Britain having a role in abolishing the slave trade is.
They're two separate things.
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't get to correct me. Britain trading millions of slaves is nothing to be proud of.
Britain having a role in abolishing the slave trade is.
They're two separate things.
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Yet they both come under British history with slavery which is what I stated in the first place.
Would I rather our country not have participated in what we know now to be a cruel, evil and immoral practice? Of course. But it was legal and morally accepted at the time.
Do I think that is outweighed by us leading the way globally to abolish it and go further to ending it than any other nation? Yes I do.
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Yes we're back to number 2.
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posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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It was Berba then you that brought up slavery as some tool to bash our history over the head with despite us leading the way to abolish it and go further by leading the world in ending it in an unprecedented way.
So it was actually you wasting time, not me. Hopefully there is some information there now that you and others weren’t aware of and you can change your opinion on the matter or at least dilute said opinion.
posted on 6/3/21
OK mate
posted on 6/3/21
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
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Yup
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
While we're educating.
Britain was one of the most successful slave-trading countries. Together with Portugal, the two countries accounted for about 70% of all Africans transported to the Americas. Britain was the most dominant between 1640 and 1807 and it is estimated that Britain transported 3.1 million Africans (of whom 2.7 million arrived) to the British colonies in the Caribbean, North and South America and to other countries.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
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Yup
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Good copy & paste job too.
posted on 6/3/21
You too.
posted on 6/3/21
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
posted on 6/3/21
Imagine using The Bible to justify anything, it does indeed say you’re allowed to keep slaves, it also says a woman must marry her rapist and that kids who back chat their parents can be stoned to death.
So not exactly where I look for moral guidance, and don’t get me started on the zombies, talking snakes and pregnant virgins.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You too.
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I wrote mine originally, you lifted it from a website.
posted on 6/3/21
OK. Mine's from the National Archives.
National Archives > Sat Nav (U18243)
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
OK. Mine's from the National Archives.
National Archives > Sat Nav (U18243)
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Bah, you win.
But answer me this - were you previously aware of the points I raised or not?
posted on 6/3/21
Yeah that was a waste of time. Should've just said what you meant.
posted on 6/3/21
Yes I knew the Brits had a hand in ending slavery.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 22 seconds ago
Yeah that was a waste of time. Should've just said what you meant.
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Well it would have been a waste of time me posting that if you or others already knew it all. I took a gamble that most of you didn’t know that and with all the great bars, I’m sure sizzle is going mad right now 😂
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
Yes I knew the Brits had a hand in ending slavery.
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It’s a bit more than a hand but ok.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
I suspected you might try to get out of it like that. Two things.
1. Either you're full of chit, because your little disclaimer.
2. You're wasting everyone's time by talking in riddles.
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We're a page away from just saying yeah. Number 2
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 47 minutes ago
I suspected you might try to get out of it like that. Two things.
1. Either you're full of chit, because your little disclaimer.
2. You're wasting everyone's time by talking in riddles.
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We're a page away from just saying yeah. Number 2
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You mentioned slavery as a dig towards my country and I corrected you. You don’t get to have a say in the manner of which I do that.,
posted on 6/3/21
You don't get to correct me. Britain trading millions of slaves is nothing to be proud of.
Britain having a role in abolishing the slave trade is.
They're two separate things.
posted on 6/3/21
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
You don't get to correct me. Britain trading millions of slaves is nothing to be proud of.
Britain having a role in abolishing the slave trade is.
They're two separate things.
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Yet they both come under British history with slavery which is what I stated in the first place.
Would I rather our country not have participated in what we know now to be a cruel, evil and immoral practice? Of course. But it was legal and morally accepted at the time.
Do I think that is outweighed by us leading the way globally to abolish it and go further to ending it than any other nation? Yes I do.
posted on 6/3/21
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posted on 6/3/21
Yes we're back to number 2.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
posted on 6/3/21
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