comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
Booker T. Washington
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David Webb opened with that quote in the Oxford debate on the motion The US is not institutionally racist. It’s a good debate you should check it out.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://images.app.goo.gl/7gx32A1MB8F55giV8
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/467/i_am_become_death.jpg
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
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It was never acceptable, and we have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
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It was never acceptable, and we have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
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Are you a proud European?
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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From someone who recently tried to explain that two differing actions in Britain’s history with slavery are “two separate things” to now claim that pride is a form of celebrating is quite funny.
Celebrate
verb
1.
acknowledge (a significant or happy day or event) with a social gathering or enjoyable activity.
pride
noun
1.
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Just because some might decide to celebrate something that they are proud of, like being gay for example, does not mean that the two things are synonymous or a form of the other.
I am proud of it but would never celebrate it
I am not proud of my birthday, New Years of Christmas but often celebrate them
See?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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Slavery was a sin and is alive and well across the world today.
We all indulged and thankfully we also progressed, but some did not and still use slavery or fundamentalism to oppress others.
The UK is quite a tolerant place.
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
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Haha.
How did that work out in the USSR?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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Slavery was a sin and is alive and well across the world today.
We all indulged and thankfully we also progressed, but some did not and still use slavery or fundamentalism to oppress others.
The UK is quite a tolerant place.
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It’s not really though is it.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 21 minutes ago
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
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The Queen is respected by Irish nationalists and Her Majesty helped reconciliation by attending republican events in Dublin.
Across the world the Queen has respect and admirers, unlike Corbyn, Boris etc and our political leaders.
I never said they were synonymous.
This whole thing could've been avoided if you'd just said what you meant instead of trying to make yourself look clever.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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Agreed.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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You want to stop gay parades?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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From someone who recently tried to explain that two differing actions in Britain’s history with slavery are “two separate things” to now claim that pride is a form of celebrating is quite funny.
Celebrate
verb
1.
acknowledge (a significant or happy day or event) with a social gathering or enjoyable activity.
pride
noun
1.
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Just because some might decide to celebrate something that they are proud of, like being gay for example, does not mean that the two things are synonymous or a form of the other.
I am proud of it but would never celebrate it
I am not proud of my birthday, New Years of Christmas but often celebrate them
See?
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Your good wif words, m8.
I think we're at the quadruple-down stage now.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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Are you proud of Ireland or Scotland?
Is this tag team time wasting?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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Are you proud of Ireland or Scotland?
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WTF?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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What you had in your head is irrelevant. You chose to use the word celebrate, don’t blame me if you used the wrong word.
I’ve already given one definition here is another
to take part in special enjoyable activities in order to show that a particular occasion is important:
Neither definition applies to what we’re talking about.
I don’t for one minute believe that you don’t know the meaning of the word; you chose that word to hyperbolise your point, but you knew that just perhaps won’t admit it.
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
"There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
Booker T. Washington
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David Webb opened with that quote in the Oxford debate on the motion The US is not institutionally racist. It’s a good debate you should check it out.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://images.app.goo.gl/7gx32A1MB8F55giV8
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/467/i_am_become_death.jpg
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
posted on 6/3/21
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
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It was never acceptable, and we have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
posted on 6/3/21
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're proud of that? Or just the bit you pasted?
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I’m proud that we pioneered ending it. Slavery takes place in much higher numbers today yet all we hear is about the US and European Atlantic slave trade.
It’s a disgusting practice no-one other than modern slavers dispute that. But our role in it is not what most people think. It was morally and legally acceptable back then, I’m sure there will be things that we do now that in 200-300 years they will deem evil and abhorrent but to us they are acceptable. What’s more important to me are trailblazers that carry out change. We certainly weren’t the first nation nor the last yet when we abolished it, we didn’t just say ‘it’s ok we’ve stopped now’ we actually went further than that to stop the practice. That, is our history and something to be proud of.
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It was never acceptable, and we have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
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Are you a proud European?
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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From someone who recently tried to explain that two differing actions in Britain’s history with slavery are “two separate things” to now claim that pride is a form of celebrating is quite funny.
Celebrate
verb
1.
acknowledge (a significant or happy day or event) with a social gathering or enjoyable activity.
pride
noun
1.
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Just because some might decide to celebrate something that they are proud of, like being gay for example, does not mean that the two things are synonymous or a form of the other.
I am proud of it but would never celebrate it
I am not proud of my birthday, New Years of Christmas but often celebrate them
See?
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Slavery was a sin and is alive and well across the world today.
We all indulged and thankfully we also progressed, but some did not and still use slavery or fundamentalism to oppress others.
The UK is quite a tolerant place.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
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Haha.
How did that work out in the USSR?
posted on 6/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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Slavery was a sin and is alive and well across the world today.
We all indulged and thankfully we also progressed, but some did not and still use slavery or fundamentalism to oppress others.
The UK is quite a tolerant place.
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It’s not really though is it.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by sandy, bullies must never be allowed to win (U20567)
posted 21 minutes ago
Nurses cannot get a payrise, yet all we hear about is this dysfunctional family of wasters, still moaning, as if their life of luxury with their dozens of castles and palaces are not enough for them.
The French and the Russians had the right idea.
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The Queen is respected by Irish nationalists and Her Majesty helped reconciliation by attending republican events in Dublin.
Across the world the Queen has respect and admirers, unlike Corbyn, Boris etc and our political leaders.
posted on 6/3/21
I never said they were synonymous.
This whole thing could've been avoided if you'd just said what you meant instead of trying to make yourself look clever.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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Agreed.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 16 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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You want to stop gay parades?
posted on 6/3/21
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pride is a form of celebrating an achievement.
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From someone who recently tried to explain that two differing actions in Britain’s history with slavery are “two separate things” to now claim that pride is a form of celebrating is quite funny.
Celebrate
verb
1.
acknowledge (a significant or happy day or event) with a social gathering or enjoyable activity.
pride
noun
1.
a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired.
Just because some might decide to celebrate something that they are proud of, like being gay for example, does not mean that the two things are synonymous or a form of the other.
I am proud of it but would never celebrate it
I am not proud of my birthday, New Years of Christmas but often celebrate them
See?
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Your good wif words, m8.
posted on 6/3/21
I think we're at the quadruple-down stage now.
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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Are you proud of Ireland or Scotland?
posted on 6/3/21
Is this tag team time wasting?
posted on 6/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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Are you proud of Ireland or Scotland?
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WTF?
posted on 6/3/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
“What is to be thought of a nation boasting of its liberty, boasting of its humanity, boasting of its Christianity, boasting of its love of justice and purity, and yet having within its own borders three millions of persons denied by law the right of marriage?… I need not lift up the veil by giving you any experience of my own. Every one that can put two ideas together, must see the most fearful results from such a state of things…”
Fredrick Douglass
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It’s a nice quote and he was positive force for the American change on slavery but I don’t see how it relates to the conversation about the UK. The guy was 14 when our country had abolished slavery. We probably inspired him as we did many other people and nations.
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Self congratulation about abolishing a trade 'we' exacerbated and profited from for 100s of years is cringe. Acknowledging 'our' role in abolition is historical but not something that should, imo, be celebrated.
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You’re entitled to that opinion of course but I like I said I give a lot of credit to those that enact change. How many millions more would have suffered if we hadn’t led that change? Would America or countless other countries had ended their practices later? I think so. Would millions more have suffered? I think so.
Is it therefore something to be proud of as opposed to carrying out a legal and morally accepted practice at the time? I think so.
I wouldn’t use the word celebrate, that’s you being hyperbolic.
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In context, celebrate doesn't mean throw a party, but you knew that.
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What you had in your head is irrelevant. You chose to use the word celebrate, don’t blame me if you used the wrong word.
I’ve already given one definition here is another
to take part in special enjoyable activities in order to show that a particular occasion is important:
Neither definition applies to what we’re talking about.
I don’t for one minute believe that you don’t know the meaning of the word; you chose that word to hyperbolise your point, but you knew that just perhaps won’t admit it.
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