He inherited a squad capable of finishing 5th and has had 3 windows in which the first team has been improved each time. With the squad available he should at least be challenging for the EL.
I like your confidence but if you just look at the last three games it's just been so poor with exception to one half against West Ham. We have to be honest his record is now worse than Emery's and he got the boot.
We may get lucky in the Europa league but I just don't see us getting to the final let alone winning it especially the way we are playing.
So guys, if we ssack him who do you have in mind? Thierry? Vieira? Nagelsmann?
Nagelsmann, Rogers and maybe Allegri although that ship may of sailed. If we had owners who had some ambition these managers would be attainable. When we get to the end the season finishing 10th with no European football next year that will hopefully hit those in charge of the club with a bit of reality and they will actually do something.
Don't see what Arteta has done to ever be considered the right man for the job. He's been poor for the most part, a few moments in a sea of dross isn't good enough
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
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Partey is the ball winner in midfield for us and he's good on the ball we just need someone to support him. The personal in the team could be better but the bigger problem is attitude especially with the manager the single most prevalent problem yesterday was that the team as whole was too deep and that's Arteta's problem when he comes up against any team approaching any sort of quality he just reverts to type which is ultra defensive tactics because he doesn't have the experience or know how in order to combat what the other team can throw at us.
Heading to our worst league performance in decades, worst goal difference after 30 matches for however long it is, worst win percentage in years, depending on winning the EL for European football next season, etc, etc and its an over reaction?
This isn't overreacting, it's shocking. Emery was got rid of for far less.
I don’t think we are overreacting- it was an appalling performance. I would give Arteta the start of next season (who else out there and available to us is better ?) but if by Christmas there is no improvement then he will have to go. 😐
If we lose to Slavia Prague then definitely ARTETA OUT
I still think he should be given until Xmas to implement his ideas with hi own players and then we revisit it and by then new manager can take over in January window.
But I still think Arteta will come good Auba has let him down this season despite the manager extending his contract. We don’t have leadership on the pitch so next season strip Auba of Captanship and give to Partey or Tierney.
I’ve been very patient with Arteta and let lots of śhïte performances slide in the view things will take time to improve, and it’s a tough job, which is still true. But I’m starting to get fed up that there’s not enough consistent improvements, we have a couple good games, then time and time again we think maybe it’s clicking and we’ve turned a corner, but then next few games are dross, it’s just rinse and repeat for last year.
There has been some positives and been signs something good is building, but it’s just not happening often or consistent enough. I get there’s lots of problems and no manager would be happy with our squad, but despite this I’m still disappointed that Arteta hasn’t been able to find any kind of consistency by now
If he doesn’t win Europa he will really struggle to justify his job, especially if we end up finishing around 10th which is looking likely. I mean will any player trust and believe in an inexperienced manager who got us to our worse finish in decades and has no European football
It runs deeper than Mikel. Arsene was past it but still a legendary coach/manager, unai had a winning track record with two teams previous to Arsenal, even Mikel has won two cups during his time. Yet no matter who is running the show the same problems come up. Something is just rotten.
What is happening at the moment is at least promising in the sense that change is a recognised necessity. Some players look like they are playing with the knowledge that they won’t be here very long, but that’s their mentality; they should be fighting for their jobs.
But some of Mikels decisions are baffling and you cannot deny that we are on course for the worst season in recent memory - mid nineties at any rate I think :/
Call me an optimist I just think it has to improve under Mikel and I’m hoping saliba comes back, Martin Ellis gets back in the team, ESM and Saka improve and we get a decent new striker. Having said that if the possibility of Simeone came up the club should move heaven and earth
comment by (U21781)
posted 1 minute ago
It runs deeper than Mikel. Arsene was past it but still a legendary coach/manager, unai had a winning track record with two teams previous to Arsenal, even Mikel has won two cups during his time. Yet no matter who is running the show the same problems come up. Something is just rotten.
What is happening at the moment is at least promising in the sense that change is a recognised necessity. Some players look like they are playing with the knowledge that they won’t be here very long, but that’s their mentality; they should be fighting for their jobs.
But some of Mikels decisions are baffling and you cannot deny that we are on course for the worst season in recent memory - mid nineties at any rate I think :/
Call me an optimist I just think it has to improve under Mikel and I’m hoping saliba comes back, Martin Ellis gets back in the team, ESM and Saka improve and we get a decent new striker. Having said that if the possibility of Simeone came up the club should move heaven and earth
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This is true, there is a complete power vacuum at Arsenal and it is what has led Arteta into trying to do two jobs instead of the first team coach role he was hired for (and performed best in). I understand why he would want the manager role and to be involved in all the recruitment, strategy and long-term planning side of things, but it has undermined what he achieved last season with coaching the squad. Arsenal can't keep searching for another Arsene Wenger, a professor of football is a one off, we have to run the club properly if we want to compete with the best football clubs in the country and in Europe.
Having said that, I still think this is an excuse. Arteta accepted the role of team manager and has taken it on. Now he needs to realised he can't do everything himself and delegate responsibility for some of the work.
I did not realise Mikel is now in a ‘manager’ role at arsenal, that is quite worrying! I knew his opinion was valued but what exactly qualifies him for that much responsibility? Not sure Edu has it either but he had the Brazilian connections :/
It’s odd the Kroenke’s cannot even fall back on American coaching methods, not like they don’t have enough sport franchises to figure out how to drill and disciplined and tough spine into a team...
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 19 minutes ago
I’ve been very patient with Arteta and let lots of śhïte performances slide in the view things will take time to improve, and it’s a tough job, which is still true. But I’m starting to get fed up that there’s not enough consistent improvements, we have a couple good games, then time and time again we think maybe it’s clicking and we’ve turned a corner, but then next few games are dross, it’s just rinse and repeat for last year.
There has been some positives and been signs something good is building, but it’s just not happening often or consistent enough. I get there’s lots of problems and no manager would be happy with our squad, but despite this I’m still disappointed that Arteta hasn’t been able to find any kind of consistency by now
If he doesn’t win Europa he will really struggle to justify his job, especially if we end up finishing around 10th which is looking likely. I mean will any player trust and believe in an inexperienced manager who got us to our worse finish in decades and has no European football
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I think Arteta's FA cup win bought him time, and the dreadful run before Christmas ate up a lot of that good-will. We've been better since, and started to look like a decent side again, but in recent weeks the defensive solidity has started to evaporate, and I'm starting to lose patience. If the non-negotiables aren't being delivered by the players, then Arteta's project can't and won't succeed.
The right thing to do is see if Arteta can qualify for the champions league via the back door. If he can, then that will buy him an opportunity to properly invest that money in improving our squad and to properly coach them in a pre-season (something he hasn't actually been able to do because of the pandemic). If he does this, he buys himself some leeway from the club, because we have the money to properly address some of our squad issues.
If he fails to get CL football, then I think we will miss out on Europe altogether. Then he has the summer window to prepare and get his team to qualify for the CL via the league, and any failure to start in the top four places and stay there (with no European distractions) should see him handed his P45. The league form this season has been unacceptable. There are lots of mitigating factors, he hasn't properly had a chance to sign the players he wants or coach his squad properly ahead of a new season yet, but this summer (in spite of the Euros), he will have that chance. After that, there are no more excuses in my book.
comment by (U21781)
posted 1 minute ago
I did not realise Mikel is now in a ‘manager’ role at arsenal, that is quite worrying! I knew his opinion was valued but what exactly qualifies him for that much responsibility? Not sure Edu has it either but he had the Brazilian connections :/
It’s odd the Kroenke’s cannot even fall back on American coaching methods, not like they don’t have enough sport franchises to figure out how to drill and disciplined and tough spine into a team...
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He got it on the back of winning the FA cup when he and that squad had no right to. I don't think it was necessarily the wrong move, but I do think that Arteta has allowed himself to get distracted by the strategy and transfers and forget that his number one responsibility is immediate results on the pitch. If you aren't doing well enough now, you don't get the opportunity to implement your ideas for the future as a football manager. That's how it works.
The mistakes we are making this season, we didn't make them on that cup run. Yes we rode our luck, but we setup in a way that we could take advantage of opponents mistakes. And Arteta's faith in his older, experienced players has not been rewarded. So he needs to respond appropriately and leave the underperformers out. He was supposed to have a philosophy of if you're good enough, you're old enough. Now we need to see that rule applied ruthlessly. It doesn't matter how much Willian is paid, or how much Pepe cost. If they aren't performing, they start on the bench.
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
We should only judge him if we don’t win Europa and if we lose to Slavia Prague, he will be shown the door or hanging by a thread. If we start badly next season I think the fans will chase him out of town.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
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Yes this is true. But if we don't have European football, Arteta will have to prove his credentials as a coach, working with what we have, with a proper preseason. I do think that early on he showed he was able to get the best out of many underperforming players, and he has managed to turn Xhaka back into a semi-functional footballer, and David Luiz into a half-decent CB. With no European football and proper coaching of their squad, Chelsea were able to win the league. It will mean there are no excuses for how we perform. And if we don't get European football, I don't think we'll be able to get who we want as manager anyway. But it will be with a view to sacking him if he doesn't start well and maintain a league position where we would qualify for CL the following year.
comment by Saka Odegaard-Rowe (U21751)
posted 1 minute ago
We should only judge him if we don’t win Europa and if we lose to Slavia Prague, he will be shown the door or hanging by a thread. If we start badly next season I think the fans will chase him out of town.
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This is where I am at. If we don't get European football, Arteta's job is very much on the line. That strategy he's been working on better be gold-dust because he'll need to turn our overpaid squad of indifferent players into a team capable of making the top four.
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
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Yes this is true. But if we don't have European football, Arteta will have to prove his credentials as a coach, working with what we have, with a proper preseason. I do think that early on he showed he was able to get the best out of many underperforming players, and he has managed to turn Xhaka back into a semi-functional footballer, and David Luiz into a half-decent CB. With no European football and proper coaching of their squad, Chelsea were able to win the league. It will mean there are no excuses for how we perform. And if we don't get European football, I don't think we'll be able to get who we want as manager anyway. But it will be with a view to sacking him if he doesn't start well and maintain a league position where we would qualify for CL the following year.
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(I asked this in the other thread so ignore it and answer it here)
Pre-seasons are important to get the fitness up for players and induct new players in your system.
So if you have an unchanged squad what difference would that make apart from making any new manager's job more difficult?
Not sure I buy that there will be no money. The club has spent hundreds of millions in recent seasons, I think over 500,000,000, and only got 200,000,000+ back on sales and that’s been out of the champions league. What ever you say about the owners they have not hindered the purchase of sales.
But it’s hard to argue with you, Arsenal a good team and a decent squad there is no reason they should be 9th in the league. As I said I think it goes deeper than Arteta but it’s his job to get performances out of what is actually a pretty strong and very expensive side.
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posted on 4/4/21
He inherited a squad capable of finishing 5th and has had 3 windows in which the first team has been improved each time. With the squad available he should at least be challenging for the EL.
posted on 4/4/21
I like your confidence but if you just look at the last three games it's just been so poor with exception to one half against West Ham. We have to be honest his record is now worse than Emery's and he got the boot.
We may get lucky in the Europa league but I just don't see us getting to the final let alone winning it especially the way we are playing.
posted on 4/4/21
So guys, if we ssack him who do you have in mind? Thierry? Vieira? Nagelsmann?
posted on 4/4/21
Nagelsmann, Rogers and maybe Allegri although that ship may of sailed. If we had owners who had some ambition these managers would be attainable. When we get to the end the season finishing 10th with no European football next year that will hopefully hit those in charge of the club with a bit of reality and they will actually do something.
posted on 4/4/21
Don't see what Arteta has done to ever be considered the right man for the job. He's been poor for the most part, a few moments in a sea of dross isn't good enough
posted on 4/4/21
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
posted on 4/4/21
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
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Partey is the ball winner in midfield for us and he's good on the ball we just need someone to support him. The personal in the team could be better but the bigger problem is attitude especially with the manager the single most prevalent problem yesterday was that the team as whole was too deep and that's Arteta's problem when he comes up against any team approaching any sort of quality he just reverts to type which is ultra defensive tactics because he doesn't have the experience or know how in order to combat what the other team can throw at us.
posted on 4/4/21
Heading to our worst league performance in decades, worst goal difference after 30 matches for however long it is, worst win percentage in years, depending on winning the EL for European football next season, etc, etc and its an over reaction?
posted on 4/4/21
This isn't overreacting, it's shocking. Emery was got rid of for far less.
posted on 4/4/21
I don’t think we are overreacting- it was an appalling performance. I would give Arteta the start of next season (who else out there and available to us is better ?) but if by Christmas there is no improvement then he will have to go. 😐
posted on 4/4/21
If we lose to Slavia Prague then definitely ARTETA OUT
posted on 4/4/21
I still think he should be given until Xmas to implement his ideas with hi own players and then we revisit it and by then new manager can take over in January window.
posted on 4/4/21
But I still think Arteta will come good Auba has let him down this season despite the manager extending his contract. We don’t have leadership on the pitch so next season strip Auba of Captanship and give to Partey or Tierney.
posted on 4/4/21
I’ve been very patient with Arteta and let lots of śhïte performances slide in the view things will take time to improve, and it’s a tough job, which is still true. But I’m starting to get fed up that there’s not enough consistent improvements, we have a couple good games, then time and time again we think maybe it’s clicking and we’ve turned a corner, but then next few games are dross, it’s just rinse and repeat for last year.
There has been some positives and been signs something good is building, but it’s just not happening often or consistent enough. I get there’s lots of problems and no manager would be happy with our squad, but despite this I’m still disappointed that Arteta hasn’t been able to find any kind of consistency by now
If he doesn’t win Europa he will really struggle to justify his job, especially if we end up finishing around 10th which is looking likely. I mean will any player trust and believe in an inexperienced manager who got us to our worse finish in decades and has no European football
posted on 4/4/21
It runs deeper than Mikel. Arsene was past it but still a legendary coach/manager, unai had a winning track record with two teams previous to Arsenal, even Mikel has won two cups during his time. Yet no matter who is running the show the same problems come up. Something is just rotten.
What is happening at the moment is at least promising in the sense that change is a recognised necessity. Some players look like they are playing with the knowledge that they won’t be here very long, but that’s their mentality; they should be fighting for their jobs.
But some of Mikels decisions are baffling and you cannot deny that we are on course for the worst season in recent memory - mid nineties at any rate I think :/
Call me an optimist I just think it has to improve under Mikel and I’m hoping saliba comes back, Martin Ellis gets back in the team, ESM and Saka improve and we get a decent new striker. Having said that if the possibility of Simeone came up the club should move heaven and earth
posted on 4/4/21
comment by (U21781)
posted 1 minute ago
It runs deeper than Mikel. Arsene was past it but still a legendary coach/manager, unai had a winning track record with two teams previous to Arsenal, even Mikel has won two cups during his time. Yet no matter who is running the show the same problems come up. Something is just rotten.
What is happening at the moment is at least promising in the sense that change is a recognised necessity. Some players look like they are playing with the knowledge that they won’t be here very long, but that’s their mentality; they should be fighting for their jobs.
But some of Mikels decisions are baffling and you cannot deny that we are on course for the worst season in recent memory - mid nineties at any rate I think :/
Call me an optimist I just think it has to improve under Mikel and I’m hoping saliba comes back, Martin Ellis gets back in the team, ESM and Saka improve and we get a decent new striker. Having said that if the possibility of Simeone came up the club should move heaven and earth
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This is true, there is a complete power vacuum at Arsenal and it is what has led Arteta into trying to do two jobs instead of the first team coach role he was hired for (and performed best in). I understand why he would want the manager role and to be involved in all the recruitment, strategy and long-term planning side of things, but it has undermined what he achieved last season with coaching the squad. Arsenal can't keep searching for another Arsene Wenger, a professor of football is a one off, we have to run the club properly if we want to compete with the best football clubs in the country and in Europe.
Having said that, I still think this is an excuse. Arteta accepted the role of team manager and has taken it on. Now he needs to realised he can't do everything himself and delegate responsibility for some of the work.
posted on 4/4/21
I did not realise Mikel is now in a ‘manager’ role at arsenal, that is quite worrying! I knew his opinion was valued but what exactly qualifies him for that much responsibility? Not sure Edu has it either but he had the Brazilian connections :/
It’s odd the Kroenke’s cannot even fall back on American coaching methods, not like they don’t have enough sport franchises to figure out how to drill and disciplined and tough spine into a team...
posted on 4/4/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 19 minutes ago
I’ve been very patient with Arteta and let lots of śhïte performances slide in the view things will take time to improve, and it’s a tough job, which is still true. But I’m starting to get fed up that there’s not enough consistent improvements, we have a couple good games, then time and time again we think maybe it’s clicking and we’ve turned a corner, but then next few games are dross, it’s just rinse and repeat for last year.
There has been some positives and been signs something good is building, but it’s just not happening often or consistent enough. I get there’s lots of problems and no manager would be happy with our squad, but despite this I’m still disappointed that Arteta hasn’t been able to find any kind of consistency by now
If he doesn’t win Europa he will really struggle to justify his job, especially if we end up finishing around 10th which is looking likely. I mean will any player trust and believe in an inexperienced manager who got us to our worse finish in decades and has no European football
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I think Arteta's FA cup win bought him time, and the dreadful run before Christmas ate up a lot of that good-will. We've been better since, and started to look like a decent side again, but in recent weeks the defensive solidity has started to evaporate, and I'm starting to lose patience. If the non-negotiables aren't being delivered by the players, then Arteta's project can't and won't succeed.
The right thing to do is see if Arteta can qualify for the champions league via the back door. If he can, then that will buy him an opportunity to properly invest that money in improving our squad and to properly coach them in a pre-season (something he hasn't actually been able to do because of the pandemic). If he does this, he buys himself some leeway from the club, because we have the money to properly address some of our squad issues.
If he fails to get CL football, then I think we will miss out on Europe altogether. Then he has the summer window to prepare and get his team to qualify for the CL via the league, and any failure to start in the top four places and stay there (with no European distractions) should see him handed his P45. The league form this season has been unacceptable. There are lots of mitigating factors, he hasn't properly had a chance to sign the players he wants or coach his squad properly ahead of a new season yet, but this summer (in spite of the Euros), he will have that chance. After that, there are no more excuses in my book.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by (U21781)
posted 1 minute ago
I did not realise Mikel is now in a ‘manager’ role at arsenal, that is quite worrying! I knew his opinion was valued but what exactly qualifies him for that much responsibility? Not sure Edu has it either but he had the Brazilian connections :/
It’s odd the Kroenke’s cannot even fall back on American coaching methods, not like they don’t have enough sport franchises to figure out how to drill and disciplined and tough spine into a team...
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He got it on the back of winning the FA cup when he and that squad had no right to. I don't think it was necessarily the wrong move, but I do think that Arteta has allowed himself to get distracted by the strategy and transfers and forget that his number one responsibility is immediate results on the pitch. If you aren't doing well enough now, you don't get the opportunity to implement your ideas for the future as a football manager. That's how it works.
The mistakes we are making this season, we didn't make them on that cup run. Yes we rode our luck, but we setup in a way that we could take advantage of opponents mistakes. And Arteta's faith in his older, experienced players has not been rewarded. So he needs to respond appropriately and leave the underperformers out. He was supposed to have a philosophy of if you're good enough, you're old enough. Now we need to see that rule applied ruthlessly. It doesn't matter how much Willian is paid, or how much Pepe cost. If they aren't performing, they start on the bench.
posted on 4/4/21
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
posted on 4/4/21
We should only judge him if we don’t win Europa and if we lose to Slavia Prague, he will be shown the door or hanging by a thread. If we start badly next season I think the fans will chase him out of town.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
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Yes this is true. But if we don't have European football, Arteta will have to prove his credentials as a coach, working with what we have, with a proper preseason. I do think that early on he showed he was able to get the best out of many underperforming players, and he has managed to turn Xhaka back into a semi-functional footballer, and David Luiz into a half-decent CB. With no European football and proper coaching of their squad, Chelsea were able to win the league. It will mean there are no excuses for how we perform. And if we don't get European football, I don't think we'll be able to get who we want as manager anyway. But it will be with a view to sacking him if he doesn't start well and maintain a league position where we would qualify for CL the following year.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Saka Odegaard-Rowe (U21751)
posted 1 minute ago
We should only judge him if we don’t win Europa and if we lose to Slavia Prague, he will be shown the door or hanging by a thread. If we start badly next season I think the fans will chase him out of town.
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This is where I am at. If we don't get European football, Arteta's job is very much on the line. That strategy he's been working on better be gold-dust because he'll need to turn our overpaid squad of indifferent players into a team capable of making the top four.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
I really don't understand this.
If we don't have European football we won't have money to spend. Its that simple. So Arteta will have the same squad as he does now.
Ask yourself whether Arteta has shown any hint of improving players in this squad? If the answer is no, and that should be obvious by where we finish in the league then what can change for him to succeed next season? Nothing. So why someone please give me reason for keeping him around.
However if Arteta wins the Europa then obviously he would have proved that he does have the ability to win trophies and the FA Cup last season was not a fluke. And whatsmore he will have CL money to strengthen the squad so the question will be moot.
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Yes this is true. But if we don't have European football, Arteta will have to prove his credentials as a coach, working with what we have, with a proper preseason. I do think that early on he showed he was able to get the best out of many underperforming players, and he has managed to turn Xhaka back into a semi-functional footballer, and David Luiz into a half-decent CB. With no European football and proper coaching of their squad, Chelsea were able to win the league. It will mean there are no excuses for how we perform. And if we don't get European football, I don't think we'll be able to get who we want as manager anyway. But it will be with a view to sacking him if he doesn't start well and maintain a league position where we would qualify for CL the following year.
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(I asked this in the other thread so ignore it and answer it here)
Pre-seasons are important to get the fitness up for players and induct new players in your system.
So if you have an unchanged squad what difference would that make apart from making any new manager's job more difficult?
posted on 4/4/21
Not sure I buy that there will be no money. The club has spent hundreds of millions in recent seasons, I think over 500,000,000, and only got 200,000,000+ back on sales and that’s been out of the champions league. What ever you say about the owners they have not hindered the purchase of sales.
But it’s hard to argue with you, Arsenal a good team and a decent squad there is no reason they should be 9th in the league. As I said I think it goes deeper than Arteta but it’s his job to get performances out of what is actually a pretty strong and very expensive side.
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