Not sure how any of our problems are 'deeper than Arteta'. Its not uncommon to go through multiple managers before finding the right one after such a major change after Wenger. Whats worse in my opinion is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I think ultimately what is going to be Arteta's downful if we don't win the Europa is the fact that the likes of West Ham Everton are above us and its fair to say either dont have better players than us but what they do have is managers that know how to coach and set teams up. You can even add Aston Villa to that list.
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
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This is what makes Guen, Torreira, AMN, Willock and Nelson not really featuring in the 1st 11 this season so utterly bizarre. Everything you've mentioned is covered in those 5 players, all not playing or not here. I don't care what anyone says, there's no way that all of those players should have been non-existent for Arsenal's 1st 11 this season. Not with what we seen produced without them.
Plenty of managers have shot themselves in the foot trusting in odd players here and there. But this nutter decimated his own midfield squad for no good reason, he just came in, upset everyone and started benching and transferring for jollies. I'm struggling to think of another manager who shot himself in the foot with rotation vs results quite so spectacularly in his first full season (or at all for that matter). And after coming off the FA cup win too, how can someone get it so wrong
‘This is what makes Guen, Torreira, AMN, Willock and Nelson not really featuring in the 1st 11 this season so utterly bizarre. Everything you've mentioned is covered in those 5 players, all not playing or not here.’
Neither Nelson or Willock could remotely be classed as ball winners, so that’s a fail right there. For all his energy, AMN gives the ball away as much as he wins it, so not really a reliable solution there either - though I’d still prefer him to Ceballos.
Torreira is without doubt the weakest DM / deep lying CM we’ve had since Denilson, so again, that’s a definite no. And Guendouzi is a complete muppet who it looks as if we’ll do well to sell this summer.
Apart from that though... another faultless post.
I did thinking chucking him based on not winning alone Europa could be a bit harsh. Because you can end up losing a final due to bad luck, as it’s just one match, and amazing teams can even end up fecking up a final, so don’t think that alone is enough to judge him. However with things going so badly in the league, and us still not showing consistent improvement and style of play it’s looking like it will be hard for him to fully justify his job without a Europa win now. Think if he doesn’t win it, only thing that will have our fans behind him could be if the club majorily back him and we overhaul the squad in the summer, because it’s becoming obvious Arteta can’t really get any more out of this current group
If we don't (very likely) win the EL, does anybody here seriously trust Arteta to get CL qualification via the league next season?
I just can't see it and we won't have the EL to fall back on.
It’s Europa or burst for Arteta if he wants more time anything else is just adding more pressure on himself. He should’ve dealt with the Aubameyang situation indoors seems like an ego thing to throw your talisman and highest paid player under the bus, quite risky chess play and backfired if recent results is to go by.
I don’t trust Arteta to get this group of players near top 4, without some backing in the summer I can’t see much evidence that he will be able to do much better with them. He’s been here a decent amount of time now and he’s yet to get any consistent performances with them. Which shows we’re either going to have to try bring in a lot of new players who he thinks he can do better with, or think about finding a manager who can get more with these players
I’d be willing to give Arteta more time if we do a revamp in the summer, but if we have largely the same squad I don’t see him doing hugely better
We are taking loans from the government to survive and firing staff left, right and centre. The idea that we can spend like City to buy Arteta a new team is fanciful. And I am not sure how that works anyway. Willian, Odegaard, Gabriel, Partey, Cedric, Mari are all new players. Its not like Arteta is dealing with Wenger cast-offs. What worries me is that those players, apart from Odegaard, looked better before our coaches got hold of them.
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 32 minutes ago
I don’t trust Arteta to get this group of players near top 4, without some backing in the summer I can’t see much evidence that he will be able to do much better with them. He’s been here a decent amount of time now and he’s yet to get any consistent performances with them. Which shows we’re either going to have to try bring in a lot of new players who he thinks he can do better with, or think about finding a manager who can get more with these players
I’d be willing to give Arteta more time if we do a revamp in the summer, but if we have largely the same squad I don’t see him doing hugely better
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If he doesn’t win Europa he’s toast unless we start next season like never before banging in goals and keeping ten clean sheets, so he’s doomed either way.
I think even if he doesn’t win Europa the club will ideally want him to stay next year, can see them letting him run his deal down more before thinking about firing. Also they do seem very much invested in Arteta, from the outside anyway.
Thing is I don’t trust the club to do it properly, say we sack Arteta after going out of Europa, you could easily imagine us taking all summer to finally do a panic appointment a week before the season starts , with edu and mertsacker overseeing buying crap players in the meantime. Really the club should be starting to plan now for a situation where Arteta can no longer be the manager, he could easily have us finish about 12th and go out of Europa this month which should not be acceptable. I really hope it doesn’t have to come to that, it would be great if Arteta can be a success, and he still has a chance to prove he can be if we have a strong finish and a Europa win, it’s hard to see he can manage it at the moment, but I very much hope he and the players can
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 15 hours, 31 minutes ago
I think even if he doesn’t win Europa the club will ideally want him to stay next year, can see them letting him run his deal down more before thinking about firing. Also they do seem very much invested in Arteta, from the outside anyway.
Thing is I don’t trust the club to do it properly, say we sack Arteta after going out of Europa, you could easily imagine us taking all summer to finally do a panic appointment a week before the season starts , with edu and mertsacker overseeing buying crap players in the meantime. Really the club should be starting to plan now for a situation where Arteta can no longer be the manager, he could easily have us finish about 12th and go out of Europa this month which should not be acceptable. I really hope it doesn’t have to come to that, it would be great if Arteta can be a success, and he still has a chance to prove he can be if we have a strong finish and a Europa win, it’s hard to see he can manage it at the moment, but I very much hope he and the players can
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I think we need to see how he finishes the season, and make a call based on that. If we see he can get the team playing well, and incorporate some of the younger players in the run in, then it makes sense to give him a chance next season. But if he continues to put faith in the experienced players who have regularly let him down, then I think we have to accept he's not going to learn.
It is the league form for me, which is so disappointing. When we get a good result we so often fail to follow it up. At the end of last season we gave up on the league when we could no longer qualify for the CL, and let Villa beat us with no fight whatsoever. If we are to progress as a club, we need to compete and fight for every game and in every competition, even when there's less on the line, because players can't just turn it on when they feel like it, good football is a habit you get into through repetition.
Yes the league has been a major disappointment for me, Arteta just can’t seem to find any consistency with this group yet. I wasn’t expecting he’d have us challenging top 4 this year, but I was hoping we’d begin to see a more consistent base of performance, not still just swinging from impressive to dross every couple games. We’ve shown signs of some of great promise, but it’s just hasn’t ever been repeated over a run of games. I didn’t mind this to begin with, but I was hoping by now we’d be on a clearer path of improvement
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posted on 4/4/21
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posted on 4/4/21
Not sure how any of our problems are 'deeper than Arteta'. Its not uncommon to go through multiple managers before finding the right one after such a major change after Wenger. Whats worse in my opinion is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
posted on 4/4/21
I think ultimately what is going to be Arteta's downful if we don't win the Europa is the fact that the likes of West Ham Everton are above us and its fair to say either dont have better players than us but what they do have is managers that know how to coach and set teams up. You can even add Aston Villa to that list.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
There is no balance between attack and defence in your team. You dont have the players to play a high energy game. The midfield lacks ball winning player who can run for 90 minutes. The only forwards who can press are Saka, Smith Rowe and Martinelli.
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This is what makes Guen, Torreira, AMN, Willock and Nelson not really featuring in the 1st 11 this season so utterly bizarre. Everything you've mentioned is covered in those 5 players, all not playing or not here. I don't care what anyone says, there's no way that all of those players should have been non-existent for Arsenal's 1st 11 this season. Not with what we seen produced without them.
Plenty of managers have shot themselves in the foot trusting in odd players here and there. But this nutter decimated his own midfield squad for no good reason, he just came in, upset everyone and started benching and transferring for jollies. I'm struggling to think of another manager who shot himself in the foot with rotation vs results quite so spectacularly in his first full season (or at all for that matter). And after coming off the FA cup win too, how can someone get it so wrong
posted on 4/4/21
‘This is what makes Guen, Torreira, AMN, Willock and Nelson not really featuring in the 1st 11 this season so utterly bizarre. Everything you've mentioned is covered in those 5 players, all not playing or not here.’
Neither Nelson or Willock could remotely be classed as ball winners, so that’s a fail right there. For all his energy, AMN gives the ball away as much as he wins it, so not really a reliable solution there either - though I’d still prefer him to Ceballos.
Torreira is without doubt the weakest DM / deep lying CM we’ve had since Denilson, so again, that’s a definite no. And Guendouzi is a complete muppet who it looks as if we’ll do well to sell this summer.
Apart from that though... another faultless post.
posted on 4/4/21
I did thinking chucking him based on not winning alone Europa could be a bit harsh. Because you can end up losing a final due to bad luck, as it’s just one match, and amazing teams can even end up fecking up a final, so don’t think that alone is enough to judge him. However with things going so badly in the league, and us still not showing consistent improvement and style of play it’s looking like it will be hard for him to fully justify his job without a Europa win now. Think if he doesn’t win it, only thing that will have our fans behind him could be if the club majorily back him and we overhaul the squad in the summer, because it’s becoming obvious Arteta can’t really get any more out of this current group
posted on 4/4/21
If we don't (very likely) win the EL, does anybody here seriously trust Arteta to get CL qualification via the league next season?
I just can't see it and we won't have the EL to fall back on.
posted on 4/4/21
It’s Europa or burst for Arteta if he wants more time anything else is just adding more pressure on himself. He should’ve dealt with the Aubameyang situation indoors seems like an ego thing to throw your talisman and highest paid player under the bus, quite risky chess play and backfired if recent results is to go by.
posted on 4/4/21
I don’t trust Arteta to get this group of players near top 4, without some backing in the summer I can’t see much evidence that he will be able to do much better with them. He’s been here a decent amount of time now and he’s yet to get any consistent performances with them. Which shows we’re either going to have to try bring in a lot of new players who he thinks he can do better with, or think about finding a manager who can get more with these players
I’d be willing to give Arteta more time if we do a revamp in the summer, but if we have largely the same squad I don’t see him doing hugely better
posted on 4/4/21
We are taking loans from the government to survive and firing staff left, right and centre. The idea that we can spend like City to buy Arteta a new team is fanciful. And I am not sure how that works anyway. Willian, Odegaard, Gabriel, Partey, Cedric, Mari are all new players. Its not like Arteta is dealing with Wenger cast-offs. What worries me is that those players, apart from Odegaard, looked better before our coaches got hold of them.
posted on 4/4/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 32 minutes ago
I don’t trust Arteta to get this group of players near top 4, without some backing in the summer I can’t see much evidence that he will be able to do much better with them. He’s been here a decent amount of time now and he’s yet to get any consistent performances with them. Which shows we’re either going to have to try bring in a lot of new players who he thinks he can do better with, or think about finding a manager who can get more with these players
I’d be willing to give Arteta more time if we do a revamp in the summer, but if we have largely the same squad I don’t see him doing hugely better
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If he doesn’t win Europa he’s toast unless we start next season like never before banging in goals and keeping ten clean sheets, so he’s doomed either way.
posted on 4/4/21
I think even if he doesn’t win Europa the club will ideally want him to stay next year, can see them letting him run his deal down more before thinking about firing. Also they do seem very much invested in Arteta, from the outside anyway.
Thing is I don’t trust the club to do it properly, say we sack Arteta after going out of Europa, you could easily imagine us taking all summer to finally do a panic appointment a week before the season starts , with edu and mertsacker overseeing buying crap players in the meantime. Really the club should be starting to plan now for a situation where Arteta can no longer be the manager, he could easily have us finish about 12th and go out of Europa this month which should not be acceptable. I really hope it doesn’t have to come to that, it would be great if Arteta can be a success, and he still has a chance to prove he can be if we have a strong finish and a Europa win, it’s hard to see he can manage it at the moment, but I very much hope he and the players can
posted on 5/4/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 15 hours, 31 minutes ago
I think even if he doesn’t win Europa the club will ideally want him to stay next year, can see them letting him run his deal down more before thinking about firing. Also they do seem very much invested in Arteta, from the outside anyway.
Thing is I don’t trust the club to do it properly, say we sack Arteta after going out of Europa, you could easily imagine us taking all summer to finally do a panic appointment a week before the season starts , with edu and mertsacker overseeing buying crap players in the meantime. Really the club should be starting to plan now for a situation where Arteta can no longer be the manager, he could easily have us finish about 12th and go out of Europa this month which should not be acceptable. I really hope it doesn’t have to come to that, it would be great if Arteta can be a success, and he still has a chance to prove he can be if we have a strong finish and a Europa win, it’s hard to see he can manage it at the moment, but I very much hope he and the players can
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I think we need to see how he finishes the season, and make a call based on that. If we see he can get the team playing well, and incorporate some of the younger players in the run in, then it makes sense to give him a chance next season. But if he continues to put faith in the experienced players who have regularly let him down, then I think we have to accept he's not going to learn.
It is the league form for me, which is so disappointing. When we get a good result we so often fail to follow it up. At the end of last season we gave up on the league when we could no longer qualify for the CL, and let Villa beat us with no fight whatsoever. If we are to progress as a club, we need to compete and fight for every game and in every competition, even when there's less on the line, because players can't just turn it on when they feel like it, good football is a habit you get into through repetition.
posted on 5/4/21
Yes the league has been a major disappointment for me, Arteta just can’t seem to find any consistency with this group yet. I wasn’t expecting he’d have us challenging top 4 this year, but I was hoping we’d begin to see a more consistent base of performance, not still just swinging from impressive to dross every couple games. We’ve shown signs of some of great promise, but it’s just hasn’t ever been repeated over a run of games. I didn’t mind this to begin with, but I was hoping by now we’d be on a clearer path of improvement
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