comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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Why? What are the rules? Would you think the same for say Escobar? Just say nice words about him on the day he died? Not comparing Philip with Escobar, but just wondering when its OK.
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He isn't like Escobar as you say. Of course you don't have to say nice words, you can say nothing.
You didn't know the man but he was husband to the Queen for over seventy years, and did an OK job on the whole. It's better to have the retrospective later. Despite how I might seem, I'm not a Royalist per se, but many are, so why go round upsetting people on a day thay you know they will be
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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Daft comments
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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I think the monarchy is a really outdated concept.
I'm also sad for his family that a Dad, Husband, Grandfather etc has died.
These are mutually exclusive positions IMO.
I'm not a hypocrite though and I have to say this news won't affect me at all really (apart from at work where we've been put on radio silence in terms of social media). Some people's reactions when Diana died were ridiculous. They were more mournful than when members of their own family died.
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 19 minutes ago
24. "I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001
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So I can take it “Candle in the wind” MKiii won’t be getting released then?
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i hear we'll be treated to a reworking of an elton classic, called "goodbye yellow slit road"
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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Why? What are the rules? Would you think the same for say Escobar? Just say nice words about him on the day he died? Not comparing Philip with Escobar, but just wondering when its OK.
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He isn't like Escobar as you say. Of course you don't have to say nice words, you can say nothing.
You didn't know the man but he was husband to the Queen for over seventy years, and did an OK job on the whole. It's better to have the retrospective later. Despite how I might seem, I'm not a Royalist per se, but many are, so why go round upsetting people on a day thay you know they will be
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If they don’t know by now, they never will mate.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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It's no grief to me. But I don't speak for others
comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
24. "I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001
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So I can take it “Candle in the wind” MKiii won’t be getting released then?
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Elton turning up to sing "I'm Still Standing" too much to hope for?
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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I think the monarchy is a really outdated concept.
I'm also sad for his family that a Dad, Husband, Grandfather etc has died.
These are mutually exclusive positions IMO.
I'm not a hypocrite though and I have to say this news won't affect me at all really (apart from at work where we've been put on radio silence in terms of social media). Some people's reactions when Diana died were ridiculous. They were more mournful than when members of their own family died.
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I’ve always had conflicting feelings about the monarchy. I don’t really have very strong views on it either way because of that.
I just fundamentally disagree with the moral obligation to treat someone with respect - on an internet forum - in death where you didn’t, and had that right to, in life. This is generally true of public figures.
It’s not quite the same as someone we may know in a community dying, that’s far more understandable.
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
I miss him so much.
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This was my feeling about 4 years after Saddam died, after I saw the shiiitshow Iraq was being served up after his fall.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
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Said better. than me RR
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
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On a human level as, after all, that's what we all are I do feel sorry for the people close to Prince Philip that will be affected by this. I'd be a heartless bas**** if I didn't.
I just think it's a shame in many ways they can't live a more 'normal' life and grieve properly. Being in the public eye can't be easy. My distaste towards the institution doesn't mean I can't have empathy with the people. I certainly hope not anyway.
Dazza is right though in saying that it would be wrong to be hypocritical too. If you think Philip the person was a bit of a rogue then death won't change that.
I can't believe he has gone. I am BAWLING.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
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Your father was an exception Mont. In the 1950s there were signs in houses to let 'NoBlacks'. People laughed at what would now be racist comedies on TV. Certainly among working men there was a lot of racism, not hatred you understand, but in comments, men, women, children, way of life etc.
Most newspapers were the same. Even cowboy films had Injuns bad, cowboys good. It was inherent in daily life.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 17 minutes ago
RIP DMX
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Phill wasn't a fan
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
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Your father was an exception Mont. In the 1950s there were signs in houses to let 'NoBlacks'. People laughed at what would now be racist comedies on TV. Certainly among working men there was a lot of racism, not hatred you understand, but in comments, men, women, children, way of life etc.
Most newspapers were the same. Even cowboy films had Injuns bad, cowboys good. It was inherent in daily life.
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fair enough manu. my dad was an exceptional man.
easy going and slow to anger. funny he was a boxer during the war. i love western movies but i can't watch any with indians in them, except for custards last stand. i like how that one turned out.
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posted on 9/4/21
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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Why? What are the rules? Would you think the same for say Escobar? Just say nice words about him on the day he died? Not comparing Philip with Escobar, but just wondering when its OK.
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He isn't like Escobar as you say. Of course you don't have to say nice words, you can say nothing.
You didn't know the man but he was husband to the Queen for over seventy years, and did an OK job on the whole. It's better to have the retrospective later. Despite how I might seem, I'm not a Royalist per se, but many are, so why go round upsetting people on a day thay you know they will be
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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Daft comments
posted on 9/4/21
I miss him so much.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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I think the monarchy is a really outdated concept.
I'm also sad for his family that a Dad, Husband, Grandfather etc has died.
These are mutually exclusive positions IMO.
I'm not a hypocrite though and I have to say this news won't affect me at all really (apart from at work where we've been put on radio silence in terms of social media). Some people's reactions when Diana died were ridiculous. They were more mournful than when members of their own family died.
posted on 9/4/21
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
posted on 9/4/21
Terrible.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 19 minutes ago
24. "I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001
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So I can take it “Candle in the wind” MKiii won’t be getting released then?
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i hear we'll be treated to a reworking of an elton classic, called "goodbye yellow slit road"
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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Why? What are the rules? Would you think the same for say Escobar? Just say nice words about him on the day he died? Not comparing Philip with Escobar, but just wondering when its OK.
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He isn't like Escobar as you say. Of course you don't have to say nice words, you can say nothing.
You didn't know the man but he was husband to the Queen for over seventy years, and did an OK job on the whole. It's better to have the retrospective later. Despite how I might seem, I'm not a Royalist per se, but many are, so why go round upsetting people on a day thay you know they will be
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If they don’t know by now, they never will mate.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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It's no grief to me. But I don't speak for others
posted on 9/4/21
comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
24. "I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001
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So I can take it “Candle in the wind” MKiii won’t be getting released then?
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Elton turning up to sing "I'm Still Standing" too much to hope for?
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posted on 9/4/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter. If someone doesn’t respect him life they shouldn’t feel the need to respect him in death. The bloke wouldn’t piiiiss on us if we were on fire, and yet people are getting upset on behalf of the royal family for making some unsavoury comments about him on ja606.
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I think the monarchy is a really outdated concept.
I'm also sad for his family that a Dad, Husband, Grandfather etc has died.
These are mutually exclusive positions IMO.
I'm not a hypocrite though and I have to say this news won't affect me at all really (apart from at work where we've been put on radio silence in terms of social media). Some people's reactions when Diana died were ridiculous. They were more mournful than when members of their own family died.
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I’ve always had conflicting feelings about the monarchy. I don’t really have very strong views on it either way because of that.
I just fundamentally disagree with the moral obligation to treat someone with respect - on an internet forum - in death where you didn’t, and had that right to, in life. This is generally true of public figures.
It’s not quite the same as someone we may know in a community dying, that’s far more understandable.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
I miss him so much.
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This was my feeling about 4 years after Saddam died, after I saw the shiiitshow Iraq was being served up after his fall.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
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Said better. than me RR
posted on 9/4/21
R.I.P.
posted on 9/4/21
I was in love with him.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally, I don't think we should be hypocritical when someone we dislike dies. At the same time, there's no need to go out of one's way to trash talk them on the day they die, if only out of respect for the bereaved.
The one exception to that rule is in the case of individuals like Rush Limbaugh, who based a very lucrative career around talking trash about the wrong kinds of dead people and kicking their bereaved relatives when they are down. I consider it a moral failing on my part that I didn't join the social media pile in celebrating his passing.
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Prince Philip dying is no loss to me at all in truth. In fact, I think it's kind of offensive that people think their grief in this in any way equates to the grief of his family. I'm not a monarchist at all but he was still a human being who's died. Leave the grief to his family.*
*I reserve the right to cry when SAF dies though. That's different.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a monarchist (but wouldn't see abolition of the monarchy as a priority among all the things we could do to make things better in the UK). I don't have any personal affinity with Prince Phillip or the Queen and the news doesn't affect me emotionally. But a human being, with a family of fellow human beings, has died, and for them it is / feels like the end of the world. On that level you feel for them: I don't feel for The Queen, but I feel for the old lady who is suddenly without the person she's been married to for 70+ years. Just as some people on this board felt for me (a stranger they barely know) when my father passed away with Covid almost a year to the day ago. I think it's natural to empathise because we're all on the same conveyor belt, and all tied to the same fundamental biological human condition.
That said, I'm not in the slightest offended by Dazza's stance and despite my above stated empathy have smiled today at the memory of the recent headline in the Onion, accompanying that picture of Phillip looking awful on release from hospital, reading: 'Buckingham Palace confirms Prince Phillip released from morgue in good health this morning'. From what I gather about his sense of humour, it would have given him a chuckle too.
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On a human level as, after all, that's what we all are I do feel sorry for the people close to Prince Philip that will be affected by this. I'd be a heartless bas**** if I didn't.
I just think it's a shame in many ways they can't live a more 'normal' life and grieve properly. Being in the public eye can't be easy. My distaste towards the institution doesn't mean I can't have empathy with the people. I certainly hope not anyway.
Dazza is right though in saying that it would be wrong to be hypocritical too. If you think Philip the person was a bit of a rogue then death won't change that.
posted on 9/4/21
I can't believe he has gone. I am BAWLING.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
posted on 9/4/21
RIP DMX
posted on 9/4/21
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
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Your father was an exception Mont. In the 1950s there were signs in houses to let 'NoBlacks'. People laughed at what would now be racist comedies on TV. Certainly among working men there was a lot of racism, not hatred you understand, but in comments, men, women, children, way of life etc.
Most newspapers were the same. Even cowboy films had Injuns bad, cowboys good. It was inherent in daily life.
posted on 9/4/21
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 17 minutes ago
RIP DMX
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Phill wasn't a fan
posted on 9/4/21
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posted on 9/4/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
There is a difference between the Monarchy and the man. You can separate the two.
Like everyone he is a product of his time. He certainly wouldn't have been considered racist for a large part of his life.
People now imagine that if they had lived in the same era he did, they would have had the same ideas as now, they wouldn't, they would have been like him.
People may not like the Monarchy, or not found him likeable, but the time to criticise is after the funeral, not on the day of his death.
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that simply not true. my dad died a few years ago at ninety one. he didn't have a racist bone in his body and proved it by his words and actions constantly.
if all people did what was deemed normal for the times nothing would ever change.
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Your father was an exception Mont. In the 1950s there were signs in houses to let 'NoBlacks'. People laughed at what would now be racist comedies on TV. Certainly among working men there was a lot of racism, not hatred you understand, but in comments, men, women, children, way of life etc.
Most newspapers were the same. Even cowboy films had Injuns bad, cowboys good. It was inherent in daily life.
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fair enough manu. my dad was an exceptional man.
easy going and slow to anger. funny he was a boxer during the war. i love western movies but i can't watch any with indians in them, except for custards last stand. i like how that one turned out.
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