Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 17 minutes ago
Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
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Not just that but you hope the homework has been done on getting the players in that can fit into your system. Doherty is just atrocious in a back 4, that's why Wolves wanted rid so they could move away from the more restrictive back 5. He's a moderately okay wing back but to sign a player untested in a different position is nothing short of moronic. That for me is the most alarming thing. It either means Jose hasn't got an effing clue or there's a disconnect between the recruitment policy and what's actually need to fit into our team.
But the manager and Levy wanted those players. I think it’s unfair to blame the scouts for the transfer failures of the club - they aren’t the ones dictating policy.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t think we move players on quickly enough. Not enough turnover of deadwood
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In the modern game it's easier said than done with players happy to take their pay and not play, rather than take a pay cut (Rose). Deadwood by definition are only going to go down the football ladder so it usually ends up with well paid under performing players going out on loan but still taking home their wages.
Who is going to take a £25m punt on Sanchez, and even that would be a £15m to £20m loss for us?
and in these covid times getting money for these players will be even tougher.
We cannot just give them away as it will just perpetuate this position we have been in where we replace unwanted dross with slightly better dross.
Liverpool made their key big signings off the back of Coutinho and before that Torres. They didnt go for 7 players with potential they went for 2 very expensive proven quality players
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This is why you need specialists now. Guys with European wide knowledge and ttack record across many leagues. Not just jobs for boys.
In most cases the scouts would identify the players on the back of the managers requirements. Managers would have an input no doubt but am afraid the sword falls on the scouts.
Most chairman would not know a decent player if they had Messi playing in their back garden. Hence they have scouts and technical teams to do the leg work. Then there is budgets and the cash side to sort out which is where the Chairman comes in. And levy being tight we usually end up with the 4th choice player in the list of 5
Levy is just not good at managing that budget well. We have players like Clarke,Sessegon costing £35 mill not even at the club, We spent 72 mill on Sissoko and Sanchez combined.,I really could go on!
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 17 minutes ago
Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
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Not just that but you hope the homework has been done on getting the players in that can fit into your system. Doherty is just atrocious in a back 4, that's why Wolves wanted rid so they could move away from the more restrictive back 5. He's a moderately okay wing back but to sign a player untested in a different position is nothing short of moronic. That for me is the most alarming thing. It either means Jose hasn't got an effing clue or there's a disconnect between the recruitment policy and what's actually need to fit into our team.
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Agree, sometimes the recruitment can appears slapdash. I look at City and they very rarely get things wrong. Guardiola wont just bring anyone in for the sake of it. Has to fit their playing style.
I’m sorry, but that’s complete nonsense. Levy isn’t your normal chairman either, he does actually know a lot about football, Spurs wouldn’t have been in the position they have been if Levy didn’t have the faintest clue.
He’s so heavily involved in the football side of things, and makes the key decisions on transfers. He’s the one dictating the transfer policy, the scouts recommendations only have so much value, and how they are managed once they arrive at the club is another area where they aren’t really culpable.
Liverpool didn’t change all their scouts, as far as I’m aware, when Klopp came in. The success of their transfer strategy has been due to a restructuring in senior management just before and Klopp replacing Rodgers.
Contrary to popular belief, Manchester United have one of the best scouting networks in world football. But people don’t seem to believe that because of the poor decision making at the top.
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
I’m sorry, but that’s complete nonsense. Levy isn’t your normal chairman either, he does actually know a lot about football, Spurs wouldn’t have been in the position they have been if Levy didn’t have the faintest clue.
He’s so heavily involved in the football side of things, and makes the key decisions on transfers. He’s the one dictating the transfer policy, the scouts recommendations only have so much value, and how they are managed once they arrive at the club is another area where they aren’t really culpable.
Liverpool didn’t change all their scouts, as far as I’m aware, when Klopp came in. The success of their transfer strategy has been due to a restructuring in senior management just before and Klopp replacing Rodgers.
Contrary to popular belief, Manchester United have one of the best scouting networks in world football. But people don’t seem to believe that because of the poor decision making at the top.
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Who are you addressing? You point seems all over the place. So you agree that Liverpool senior management restructuring has been key to their success and Steve Hitchen is classed as Senior management. He is the chief scout.
The man saying the sword falls on the scouts. Liverpool’s structure isn’t the same. Their chairman doesn’t involve himself in the football as heavily as Levy does. Levy’s defacto director of football. As long as he’s shaping transfer policy, it’s hard to blame the scouts too much for failed transfers.
This is one of the weirder, poorly informed articles I’ve read in a while
using his wiki as leverage is definitely not the way to go.
https://twitter.com/Lilywhite_Rose/status/1382002729304854528?s=19
If Levy is really that clued up then we shouldn’t be ending up with so many duds. Maybe he should stay away
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
using his wiki as leverage is definitely not the way to go.
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I could go deeper into his ineptitude but kept it simple for access. You'll find his CV as a chief scout is very weak.
comment by Edinspur - Graham Potter Fan Club (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
This is one of the weirder, poorly informed articles I’ve read in a while
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I dont think you'll be able to find be a less travelled or weaker CV of a chief scout or DoF of a billion dollar club. I like to match staff with ambition and turnover. Our backroom needs a overhaul.
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posted on 13/4/21
Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
posted on 13/4/21
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 17 minutes ago
Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not just that but you hope the homework has been done on getting the players in that can fit into your system. Doherty is just atrocious in a back 4, that's why Wolves wanted rid so they could move away from the more restrictive back 5. He's a moderately okay wing back but to sign a player untested in a different position is nothing short of moronic. That for me is the most alarming thing. It either means Jose hasn't got an effing clue or there's a disconnect between the recruitment policy and what's actually need to fit into our team.
posted on 13/4/21
But the manager and Levy wanted those players. I think it’s unfair to blame the scouts for the transfer failures of the club - they aren’t the ones dictating policy.
posted on 13/4/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don’t think we move players on quickly enough. Not enough turnover of deadwood
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In the modern game it's easier said than done with players happy to take their pay and not play, rather than take a pay cut (Rose). Deadwood by definition are only going to go down the football ladder so it usually ends up with well paid under performing players going out on loan but still taking home their wages.
Who is going to take a £25m punt on Sanchez, and even that would be a £15m to £20m loss for us?
and in these covid times getting money for these players will be even tougher.
We cannot just give them away as it will just perpetuate this position we have been in where we replace unwanted dross with slightly better dross.
Liverpool made their key big signings off the back of Coutinho and before that Torres. They didnt go for 7 players with potential they went for 2 very expensive proven quality players
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why you need specialists now. Guys with European wide knowledge and ttack record across many leagues. Not just jobs for boys.
posted on 13/4/21
In most cases the scouts would identify the players on the back of the managers requirements. Managers would have an input no doubt but am afraid the sword falls on the scouts.
Most chairman would not know a decent player if they had Messi playing in their back garden. Hence they have scouts and technical teams to do the leg work. Then there is budgets and the cash side to sort out which is where the Chairman comes in. And levy being tight we usually end up with the 4th choice player in the list of 5
Levy is just not good at managing that budget well. We have players like Clarke,Sessegon costing £35 mill not even at the club, We spent 72 mill on Sissoko and Sanchez combined.,I really could go on!
posted on 13/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 17 minutes ago
Am not a scout but I can assure you I wont have bought the likes of Sissoko,Doherty, Dier, Sanchez etc Their poor technical ability sticks out a country mile..
The bare minimum when you bring a player to a side aspiring for top 4 is to have decent footballing technique especially in the modern game where Its high octane and the press is prevalent. Our club for many years have been littered with such "ok" players. hence our struggles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not just that but you hope the homework has been done on getting the players in that can fit into your system. Doherty is just atrocious in a back 4, that's why Wolves wanted rid so they could move away from the more restrictive back 5. He's a moderately okay wing back but to sign a player untested in a different position is nothing short of moronic. That for me is the most alarming thing. It either means Jose hasn't got an effing clue or there's a disconnect between the recruitment policy and what's actually need to fit into our team.
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Agree, sometimes the recruitment can appears slapdash. I look at City and they very rarely get things wrong. Guardiola wont just bring anyone in for the sake of it. Has to fit their playing style.
posted on 13/4/21
I’m sorry, but that’s complete nonsense. Levy isn’t your normal chairman either, he does actually know a lot about football, Spurs wouldn’t have been in the position they have been if Levy didn’t have the faintest clue.
He’s so heavily involved in the football side of things, and makes the key decisions on transfers. He’s the one dictating the transfer policy, the scouts recommendations only have so much value, and how they are managed once they arrive at the club is another area where they aren’t really culpable.
Liverpool didn’t change all their scouts, as far as I’m aware, when Klopp came in. The success of their transfer strategy has been due to a restructuring in senior management just before and Klopp replacing Rodgers.
Contrary to popular belief, Manchester United have one of the best scouting networks in world football. But people don’t seem to believe that because of the poor decision making at the top.
posted on 13/4/21
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
I’m sorry, but that’s complete nonsense. Levy isn’t your normal chairman either, he does actually know a lot about football, Spurs wouldn’t have been in the position they have been if Levy didn’t have the faintest clue.
He’s so heavily involved in the football side of things, and makes the key decisions on transfers. He’s the one dictating the transfer policy, the scouts recommendations only have so much value, and how they are managed once they arrive at the club is another area where they aren’t really culpable.
Liverpool didn’t change all their scouts, as far as I’m aware, when Klopp came in. The success of their transfer strategy has been due to a restructuring in senior management just before and Klopp replacing Rodgers.
Contrary to popular belief, Manchester United have one of the best scouting networks in world football. But people don’t seem to believe that because of the poor decision making at the top.
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Who are you addressing? You point seems all over the place. So you agree that Liverpool senior management restructuring has been key to their success and Steve Hitchen is classed as Senior management. He is the chief scout.
posted on 13/4/21
The man saying the sword falls on the scouts. Liverpool’s structure isn’t the same. Their chairman doesn’t involve himself in the football as heavily as Levy does. Levy’s defacto director of football. As long as he’s shaping transfer policy, it’s hard to blame the scouts too much for failed transfers.
posted on 13/4/21
This is one of the weirder, poorly informed articles I’ve read in a while
posted on 13/4/21
using his wiki as leverage is definitely not the way to go.
posted on 13/4/21
https://twitter.com/Lilywhite_Rose/status/1382002729304854528?s=19
posted on 13/4/21
If Levy is really that clued up then we shouldn’t be ending up with so many duds. Maybe he should stay away
posted on 13/4/21
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
using his wiki as leverage is definitely not the way to go.
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I could go deeper into his ineptitude but kept it simple for access. You'll find his CV as a chief scout is very weak.
posted on 13/4/21
comment by Edinspur - Graham Potter Fan Club (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
This is one of the weirder, poorly informed articles I’ve read in a while
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I dont think you'll be able to find be a less travelled or weaker CV of a chief scout or DoF of a billion dollar club. I like to match staff with ambition and turnover. Our backroom needs a overhaul.
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