comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
If the only two options are Glazers staying and changing nothing and Glazers staying and honouring the pledges in the letter then I'm afraid I'd have to plump for the latter no matter how much I don't like it.
Sometimes we don't get exactly what we want but a move to realising what we do want is a small step in the right direction IMO.
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That's giving in.
If they had a single shred of sincerity they'd pay off the debt. Even if not in one swoop they could pay off 100m or so as a gesture of good will.
Will they? Will they balls 😂
More games are getting called off. More disruption coming. It's not good enough. 16 years of false dawns and money being hemorrhaged out of us.
One Glazer down....a few more to go.
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I'm not giving in. I'm just being realistic.
I absolutely think that the pressure must be kept on them but the Glazers being slightly less crap owners is better than them being crap owners if there's no alternative.
I'd still advocate protests this week though just to give them the message that MUCH more needs to be done rather than just a letter.
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They have 16 years to pay the debt off. Few years ago it was 'as low' as about 300m.
Back to 450m ish now.
They don't care about any of us. They don't care if we win the league or CL. All they care about is being in the top 4 and full crowds (when it is allowed).
Things will get more ugly. Nobody is buying this BS.
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
The debt gives the club huge tax breaks, from what I’ve read. Like huge to the point that it’s actually better to pay off interest and debt repayments than it is to clear it.
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There's being in debt and then there's being in nearly 500m of debt and having paid out over 1bn in bank fees.
A small amount of debt would be perfectly fine. This debt is not. We've been ruined by these parasites.
Diafol, oh yeah of course. That’s the best we can hope for. I don’t think they’ll be selling any time soon. My comment was more in response to your point about giving the Glazers another chance. Should have replied by I hate the bloody reply chains on this site.
But the point is that the Glazers don’t want to clear the debt as it’s better for their overall revenues due to the tax breaks the debt affords them. They will never clear the debt as long as they own it.
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 9 seconds ago
Diafol, oh yeah of course. That’s the best we can hope for. I don’t think they’ll be selling any time soon. My comment was more in response to your point about giving the Glazers another chance. Should have replied by I hate the bloody reply chains on this site.
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I too hate the reply function...
I don't think they'll be selling either. I don't want them to stay. I think they're bad for the club. My feeling is though that if they do stay I can at least hope they'll be better owners.
I don't think they'll ever be forgiven or the trust will ever return but if they can turn things around that's surely better than leaving things as they are?
Looking back at one of "hostile" club takeovers in the US, the most recent one occurred because the owners of the team (Los Angeles Clippers) was recorded saying some racist stuff.
The NBA banned him for life and the players refuse to play while he was in charge, effectively forcing him to sell.
Whether or not the FA/England have this kind of hierarchy structure to pull this off, this might be something they want to look at. Gives owners a little bit more accountability
Diafol, yeah I get that. The money being taken out of the club isn’t the biggest issue for me. If that money were there they’d still be bad owners because they run the club badly. Expecting the owners of Manchester United to run it well, even with the money that is taken out, isn’t a lot to ask for.
I don't think the debt, in itself, if I've understood correctly (based on people who know more about accounting than I do) is that much of a worry really in terms of the club potentially going under.
The worst thing for me is that they've neglected the most important part of a football club. The club itself. Old Trafford could do with a bit of a spruce up and the facilities, if reports are to be believed, could do with some improvements as well. The main issue though is that we don't seem geared to be a winning football club at present. It's all about making money for the owners. You look at City and they do have a clear plan in place and they're succeeding with that plan. We just need better people running the football matters at the club. That's an improvement the Glazers could make pretty instantly.
Freedom, the sporting bodies in football don’t have nearly the same power as the ones in America, the franchise system sees to that.
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
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Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
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Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
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The owners turned a blind eye to the bad management of the club for many years.
Ed was the king of money making for us, and that's one of the reasons why they left us to fend for ourselves while taking money off us.
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Or they didn't want to interfere and there is far more to Eds job than we realise.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
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Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
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Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
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We haven't mounted a title challenge since he came in. So no, he's not done a good job.
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How is that down to Woodward?
He has appointed the best manager available at thr time and back them all massively.
at a bare minimum this is timely, given that we are in the process of looking for a new CEO. just a tiny bit more hope today that they look for someone competent at that whole soccerball thing than there was yesterday.
wouldn't surprise me now either if we sp()nk a load of money up the wall this summer...rice + sancho = rancho (we can give them their own dressing room)
"their own dressing room"
Diafol, yeah I remember reading a while ago - think it was Swiss Ramble - that the debt isn’t that big an issue, and it’s where the tax breaks stuff came up. Say what you like about the Glazers, but they aren’t going to financially ruin the thing that makes them so much money.
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Freedom, the sporting bodies in football don’t have nearly the same power as the ones in America, the franchise system sees to that.
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I just remembered the FA is so incompetent that we shouldn't trust them with more power.
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking back at one of "hostile" club takeovers in the US, the most recent one occurred because the owners of the team (Los Angeles Clippers) was recorded saying some racist stuff.
The NBA banned him for life and the players refuse to play while he was in charge, effectively forcing him to sell.
Whether or not the FA/England have this kind of hierarchy structure to pull this off, this might be something they want to look at. Gives owners a little bit more accountability
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Maybe some clever person could put together a deepfake video of one or more of the Glazers saying something highly offensive.
I realise this may be impossible though. Mainly because I don't think anyone has ever heard them speak.
Maybe they are actually a family of mutes?
interest payments are tax-deductible, but you know what else would be tax-deductible? amortisation of player's contracts. buying £200m of players this summer on 5 year contracts = £40m of lower profits, and c. £10m of lower tax.
bet we don't pay a full rate of corporation tax either.
Anyone who thinks that the Glazers are about to start listening to the concerns and ideas of ‘legacy fans’ must have been in a coma the last ten years.
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone who thinks that the Glazers are about to start listening to the concerns and ideas of ‘legacy fans’ must have been in a coma the last ten years.
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You're most probably right. I'm just thinking of scenarios where they don't leave. If they don't they really need to be much better.
I don't know if it à sincere letter or not.
But it's worth finding out.
Hard to believe but there are worse owners out there.
They have always backed the manager, and don't interfere on the football side of things.
this should be tasty:
https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/1390669385086427145
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
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Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
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Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
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We haven't mounted a title challenge since he came in. So no, he's not done a good job.
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How is that down to Woodward?
He has appointed the best manager available at thr time and back them all massively.
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We've been down this road before. You think he did a good job. I don't. Other people are also free to have their own opinions too.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
They don't interfere on the football side of things.
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not sure if that's true either
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 seconds ago
this should be tasty:
https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/1390669385086427145
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I know it'll be difficult but I do hope the fans will let him have his say. The more he does say then the more we have to hold against him for future reference.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
They don't interfere on the football side of things.
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not sure if that's true either
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Of course I don't know what goes on at OT, but none of the managers have complained about it. Even when they are bitter about being sacked.
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posted on 7/5/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 39 seconds ago
If the only two options are Glazers staying and changing nothing and Glazers staying and honouring the pledges in the letter then I'm afraid I'd have to plump for the latter no matter how much I don't like it.
Sometimes we don't get exactly what we want but a move to realising what we do want is a small step in the right direction IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's giving in.
If they had a single shred of sincerity they'd pay off the debt. Even if not in one swoop they could pay off 100m or so as a gesture of good will.
Will they? Will they balls 😂
More games are getting called off. More disruption coming. It's not good enough. 16 years of false dawns and money being hemorrhaged out of us.
One Glazer down....a few more to go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not giving in. I'm just being realistic.
I absolutely think that the pressure must be kept on them but the Glazers being slightly less crap owners is better than them being crap owners if there's no alternative.
I'd still advocate protests this week though just to give them the message that MUCH more needs to be done rather than just a letter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They have 16 years to pay the debt off. Few years ago it was 'as low' as about 300m.
Back to 450m ish now.
They don't care about any of us. They don't care if we win the league or CL. All they care about is being in the top 4 and full crowds (when it is allowed).
Things will get more ugly. Nobody is buying this BS.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
The debt gives the club huge tax breaks, from what I’ve read. Like huge to the point that it’s actually better to pay off interest and debt repayments than it is to clear it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's being in debt and then there's being in nearly 500m of debt and having paid out over 1bn in bank fees.
A small amount of debt would be perfectly fine. This debt is not. We've been ruined by these parasites.
posted on 7/5/21
Diafol, oh yeah of course. That’s the best we can hope for. I don’t think they’ll be selling any time soon. My comment was more in response to your point about giving the Glazers another chance. Should have replied by I hate the bloody reply chains on this site.
posted on 7/5/21
But the point is that the Glazers don’t want to clear the debt as it’s better for their overall revenues due to the tax breaks the debt affords them. They will never clear the debt as long as they own it.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 9 seconds ago
Diafol, oh yeah of course. That’s the best we can hope for. I don’t think they’ll be selling any time soon. My comment was more in response to your point about giving the Glazers another chance. Should have replied by I hate the bloody reply chains on this site.
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I too hate the reply function...
I don't think they'll be selling either. I don't want them to stay. I think they're bad for the club. My feeling is though that if they do stay I can at least hope they'll be better owners.
I don't think they'll ever be forgiven or the trust will ever return but if they can turn things around that's surely better than leaving things as they are?
posted on 7/5/21
Looking back at one of "hostile" club takeovers in the US, the most recent one occurred because the owners of the team (Los Angeles Clippers) was recorded saying some racist stuff.
The NBA banned him for life and the players refuse to play while he was in charge, effectively forcing him to sell.
Whether or not the FA/England have this kind of hierarchy structure to pull this off, this might be something they want to look at. Gives owners a little bit more accountability
posted on 7/5/21
Diafol, yeah I get that. The money being taken out of the club isn’t the biggest issue for me. If that money were there they’d still be bad owners because they run the club badly. Expecting the owners of Manchester United to run it well, even with the money that is taken out, isn’t a lot to ask for.
posted on 7/5/21
I don't think the debt, in itself, if I've understood correctly (based on people who know more about accounting than I do) is that much of a worry really in terms of the club potentially going under.
The worst thing for me is that they've neglected the most important part of a football club. The club itself. Old Trafford could do with a bit of a spruce up and the facilities, if reports are to be believed, could do with some improvements as well. The main issue though is that we don't seem geared to be a winning football club at present. It's all about making money for the owners. You look at City and they do have a clear plan in place and they're succeeding with that plan. We just need better people running the football matters at the club. That's an improvement the Glazers could make pretty instantly.
posted on 7/5/21
Freedom, the sporting bodies in football don’t have nearly the same power as the ones in America, the franchise system sees to that.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The owners turned a blind eye to the bad management of the club for many years.
Ed was the king of money making for us, and that's one of the reasons why they left us to fend for ourselves while taking money off us.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Or they didn't want to interfere and there is far more to Eds job than we realise.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We haven't mounted a title challenge since he came in. So no, he's not done a good job.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is that down to Woodward?
He has appointed the best manager available at thr time and back them all massively.
posted on 7/5/21
at a bare minimum this is timely, given that we are in the process of looking for a new CEO. just a tiny bit more hope today that they look for someone competent at that whole soccerball thing than there was yesterday.
wouldn't surprise me now either if we sp()nk a load of money up the wall this summer...rice + sancho = rancho (we can give them their own dressing room)
posted on 7/5/21
"their own dressing room"
posted on 7/5/21
Diafol, yeah I remember reading a while ago - think it was Swiss Ramble - that the debt isn’t that big an issue, and it’s where the tax breaks stuff came up. Say what you like about the Glazers, but they aren’t going to financially ruin the thing that makes them so much money.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Freedom, the sporting bodies in football don’t have nearly the same power as the ones in America, the franchise system sees to that.
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I just remembered the FA is so incompetent that we shouldn't trust them with more power.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
Looking back at one of "hostile" club takeovers in the US, the most recent one occurred because the owners of the team (Los Angeles Clippers) was recorded saying some racist stuff.
The NBA banned him for life and the players refuse to play while he was in charge, effectively forcing him to sell.
Whether or not the FA/England have this kind of hierarchy structure to pull this off, this might be something they want to look at. Gives owners a little bit more accountability
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe some clever person could put together a deepfake video of one or more of the Glazers saying something highly offensive.
I realise this may be impossible though. Mainly because I don't think anyone has ever heard them speak.
Maybe they are actually a family of mutes?
posted on 7/5/21
interest payments are tax-deductible, but you know what else would be tax-deductible? amortisation of player's contracts. buying £200m of players this summer on 5 year contracts = £40m of lower profits, and c. £10m of lower tax.
bet we don't pay a full rate of corporation tax either.
posted on 7/5/21
Anyone who thinks that the Glazers are about to start listening to the concerns and ideas of ‘legacy fans’ must have been in a coma the last ten years.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Anyone who thinks that the Glazers are about to start listening to the concerns and ideas of ‘legacy fans’ must have been in a coma the last ten years.
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You're most probably right. I'm just thinking of scenarios where they don't leave. If they don't they really need to be much better.
posted on 7/5/21
I don't know if it à sincere letter or not.
But it's worth finding out.
Hard to believe but there are worse owners out there.
They have always backed the manager, and don't interfere on the football side of things.
posted on 7/5/21
this should be tasty:
https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/1390669385086427145
posted on 7/5/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
At least he’s done a good job of getting someone to write a letter for him. Shame he doesn’t employ the right people when it comes to running the football club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which does beggar belief when you think about it.
How can owners of a big succesful business not employ the right people to do the right jobs for one of your big cash cows?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have to ever considered ther is more to run nong a club like U it'd than we release and maybe Ed did a better job than we know/ give him credit for?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We haven't mounted a title challenge since he came in. So no, he's not done a good job.
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How is that down to Woodward?
He has appointed the best manager available at thr time and back them all massively.
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We've been down this road before. You think he did a good job. I don't. Other people are also free to have their own opinions too.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
They don't interfere on the football side of things.
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not sure if that's true either
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 seconds ago
this should be tasty:
https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/1390669385086427145
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I know it'll be difficult but I do hope the fans will let him have his say. The more he does say then the more we have to hold against him for future reference.
posted on 7/5/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
They don't interfere on the football side of things.
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not sure if that's true either
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Of course I don't know what goes on at OT, but none of the managers have complained about it. Even when they are bitter about being sacked.
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