"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
He's the best coach I have seen. Easily.
Manager got to be Fergie though.
I'd love to see Pep managing an underdog in a title race, and that isn't a dig, I'd genuinely like to see where he could take a lesser squad.
You don't have to travel that far back in time to find examples. Firmino last year was hardly a classic centre forward, was he?
You can make reasonable arguments for Guardiola as the best coach to have worked in the PL (and reasonable arguments for Fergie and one or two others). These would go into detail on the nuances of his innovations and tactical problem solving. I doubt either Guardiola or Fergie would want Robbie Savage to be their chief advocate in any such debate.
Best coach, yes. Obviously Fergie is the best manager.
Is he feck. I could win the league with that team, spending £40-60m per player just on a back 5 should expect to walk the league.
Pansy boring tippy tappy football without even a striker, what has the game come to
Only thing I’ll give him credit for is winning it with Rodri and Zinchenko in his team. Oh and rotating the tactical fouls well enough so no one gets sent off after half an hour like Fernandinho should almost every game
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Bit early to say I think, ideally you need time to look back at achievements made but it's clear he's a brilliant manager.
The argument that he only does it with money doesn't really work for me. He's an elite manager who's there to win the big titles.
Hasn't Mourinho won more trophies than Pep?
Both are world class, as long as they are backed up by loads a money
Ask them to take Fulham back up to the PL or keep Burnley up, and then we'll see
It's easy job management when you can go out and raid any club in the world.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
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posted 6 minutes ago
and just as I make my comment, in swoops morespurs to prove that it really is only the idiots that ask managers to prove themselves by taking lesser jobs. Classic.
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Are you so dumb? Did you not get the gist of what I said?
Three titles vs thirteen for Fergie, and he's the best ever PL manager? WTF?
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posted 7 minutes ago
and just as I make my comment, in swoops morespurs to prove that it really is only the idiots that ask managers to prove themselves by taking lesser jobs. Classic.
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Lucky for us, I diverted us from your silly comment then?
I think by the time he retires he will go down as the best manager of all time unless he falls off like Mourinho but I don’t see that happening.
32 trophies including 9 league titles, 2 champions leagues (and in the final later this month) in 13 years of management.
Pep changed football with his Barca team.
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posted 45 seconds ago
Three titles vs thirteen for Fergie, and he's the best ever PL manager? WTF?
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If you add titles in Spain and Germany then he probably is.
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 18 minutes ago
Is he feck. I could win the league with that team, spending £40-60m per player just on a back 5 should expect to walk the league.
Pansy boring tippy tappy football without even a striker, what has the game come to
Only thing I’ll give him credit for is winning it with Rodri and Zinchenko in his team. Oh and rotating the tactical fouls well enough so no one gets sent off after half an hour like Fernandinho should almost every game
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It’s really not that easy though is it. Look how many clubs throw cash around and don’t get results, us included. He’s a great manager but an even better coach. For just purely coaching players he’s the best I’ve ever seen.
one thing that sets fergie apart for me is the amount of teams he actually created, and each one you could argue was up there with the best of the PL era.
Coming in he took over a team full of boozers and players who just were not good enough.
it took him a few years but he built the club from the ground upwards.
the first team consisting of the likes of Bruce, ince, cantona, hughes, kanchelskis set the mark in the pl, with the team that did the double in 93-94 a fantastic team.
the likes of kanchelskis, hughes and ince moved on, with the class of 92 coming in, which would be the catalyst of the team as we moved to the treble.
Gradually this team faded out and then we had the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Vidic, Rio and tevez who again took us to the PL and CL.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
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Arguably the United side of 2007-8 was using Rooney and Tevez as something other than centre forwards, in an asymmetrical formation that (sensibly) aimed to maximise opportunities for Ronaldo to score from wide positions. British commentators weren't necessarily describing Rooney as a false 9, because he was fixed in their minds as a 'striker' (and I seem to remember TV line ups that season sometimes showing the team as a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in midfield!).
Not that this is a competition. Ideas are constantly recycled in football, and its the ability to (re-)introduce the effective strategies in the context of the present challenges of the sport that should be applauded, not novelty in itself. Fergie for instance nicked the false 9 idea from Spaletti's Roma.
as for previous comments, you dont have to manage a lower team to prove yourself.
having said that the teams that Pep has managed have all been at the very least expected to challenge every year, and none of these teams needed massive wholesale changes... its certainly been made easier for him
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
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Arguably the United side of 2007-8 was using Rooney and Tevez as something other than centre forwards, in an asymmetrical formation that (sensibly) aimed to maximise opportunities for Ronaldo to score from wide positions. British commentators weren't necessarily describing Rooney as a false 9, because he was fixed in their minds as a 'striker' (and I seem to remember TV line ups that season sometimes showing the team as a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in midfield!).
Not that this is a competition. Ideas are constantly recycled in football, and its the ability to (re-)introduce the effective strategies in the context of the present challenges of the sport that should be applauded, not novelty in itself. Fergie for instance nicked the false 9 idea from Spaletti's Roma.
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True not going to argue with that. This City team suffers from a lot of recency bias.
Maybe he means it in the sense that Ronaldo is the greatest player to have played in the PL. He is not the greatest ever PL player though.
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posted on 12/5/21
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
posted on 12/5/21
He's the best coach I have seen. Easily.
Manager got to be Fergie though.
posted on 12/5/21
I'd love to see Pep managing an underdog in a title race, and that isn't a dig, I'd genuinely like to see where he could take a lesser squad.
posted on 12/5/21
You don't have to travel that far back in time to find examples. Firmino last year was hardly a classic centre forward, was he?
You can make reasonable arguments for Guardiola as the best coach to have worked in the PL (and reasonable arguments for Fergie and one or two others). These would go into detail on the nuances of his innovations and tactical problem solving. I doubt either Guardiola or Fergie would want Robbie Savage to be their chief advocate in any such debate.
posted on 12/5/21
Best coach, yes. Obviously Fergie is the best manager.
posted on 12/5/21
Is he feck. I could win the league with that team, spending £40-60m per player just on a back 5 should expect to walk the league.
Pansy boring tippy tappy football without even a striker, what has the game come to
Only thing I’ll give him credit for is winning it with Rodri and Zinchenko in his team. Oh and rotating the tactical fouls well enough so no one gets sent off after half an hour like Fernandinho should almost every game
posted on 12/5/21
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posted on 12/5/21
Bit early to say I think, ideally you need time to look back at achievements made but it's clear he's a brilliant manager.
The argument that he only does it with money doesn't really work for me. He's an elite manager who's there to win the big titles.
posted on 12/5/21
Hasn't Mourinho won more trophies than Pep?
Both are world class, as long as they are backed up by loads a money
Ask them to take Fulham back up to the PL or keep Burnley up, and then we'll see
It's easy job management when you can go out and raid any club in the world.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
posted on 12/5/21
Fergie won with Aberdeen
posted on 12/5/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 6 minutes ago
and just as I make my comment, in swoops morespurs to prove that it really is only the idiots that ask managers to prove themselves by taking lesser jobs. Classic.
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Are you so dumb? Did you not get the gist of what I said?
posted on 12/5/21
Three titles vs thirteen for Fergie, and he's the best ever PL manager? WTF?
posted on 12/5/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
and just as I make my comment, in swoops morespurs to prove that it really is only the idiots that ask managers to prove themselves by taking lesser jobs. Classic.
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Lucky for us, I diverted us from your silly comment then?
posted on 12/5/21
I think by the time he retires he will go down as the best manager of all time unless he falls off like Mourinho but I don’t see that happening.
32 trophies including 9 league titles, 2 champions leagues (and in the final later this month) in 13 years of management.
Pep changed football with his Barca team.
posted on 12/5/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 45 seconds ago
Three titles vs thirteen for Fergie, and he's the best ever PL manager? WTF?
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If you add titles in Spain and Germany then he probably is.
posted on 12/5/21
comment by JonVeron (U6514)
posted 18 minutes ago
Is he feck. I could win the league with that team, spending £40-60m per player just on a back 5 should expect to walk the league.
Pansy boring tippy tappy football without even a striker, what has the game come to
Only thing I’ll give him credit for is winning it with Rodri and Zinchenko in his team. Oh and rotating the tactical fouls well enough so no one gets sent off after half an hour like Fernandinho should almost every game
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It’s really not that easy though is it. Look how many clubs throw cash around and don’t get results, us included. He’s a great manager but an even better coach. For just purely coaching players he’s the best I’ve ever seen.
posted on 12/5/21
one thing that sets fergie apart for me is the amount of teams he actually created, and each one you could argue was up there with the best of the PL era.
Coming in he took over a team full of boozers and players who just were not good enough.
it took him a few years but he built the club from the ground upwards.
the first team consisting of the likes of Bruce, ince, cantona, hughes, kanchelskis set the mark in the pl, with the team that did the double in 93-94 a fantastic team.
the likes of kanchelskis, hughes and ince moved on, with the class of 92 coming in, which would be the catalyst of the team as we moved to the treble.
Gradually this team faded out and then we had the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney, Vidic, Rio and tevez who again took us to the PL and CL.
posted on 12/5/21
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posted on 12/5/21
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine (U1108)
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
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Arguably the United side of 2007-8 was using Rooney and Tevez as something other than centre forwards, in an asymmetrical formation that (sensibly) aimed to maximise opportunities for Ronaldo to score from wide positions. British commentators weren't necessarily describing Rooney as a false 9, because he was fixed in their minds as a 'striker' (and I seem to remember TV line ups that season sometimes showing the team as a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in midfield!).
Not that this is a competition. Ideas are constantly recycled in football, and its the ability to (re-)introduce the effective strategies in the context of the present challenges of the sport that should be applauded, not novelty in itself. Fergie for instance nicked the false 9 idea from Spaletti's Roma.
posted on 12/5/21
as for previous comments, you dont have to manage a lower team to prove yourself.
having said that the teams that Pep has managed have all been at the very least expected to challenge every year, and none of these teams needed massive wholesale changes... its certainly been made easier for him
posted on 12/5/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - Free Palestine (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
"won the pl playing with a false number 9."
I thought he played Aguero and/or Jesus a lot in all of his PL triumphs, not to say he didn't play a "false No9" on occasion, but Jose did that with Hazard....
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We were the first team to win title with false 9 with Firmino but City fans seems to be clinging on this like they were the first.
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Arguably the United side of 2007-8 was using Rooney and Tevez as something other than centre forwards, in an asymmetrical formation that (sensibly) aimed to maximise opportunities for Ronaldo to score from wide positions. British commentators weren't necessarily describing Rooney as a false 9, because he was fixed in their minds as a 'striker' (and I seem to remember TV line ups that season sometimes showing the team as a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in midfield!).
Not that this is a competition. Ideas are constantly recycled in football, and its the ability to (re-)introduce the effective strategies in the context of the present challenges of the sport that should be applauded, not novelty in itself. Fergie for instance nicked the false 9 idea from Spaletti's Roma.
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True not going to argue with that. This City team suffers from a lot of recency bias.
posted on 12/5/21
Maybe he means it in the sense that Ronaldo is the greatest player to have played in the PL. He is not the greatest ever PL player though.
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