Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
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Yes, of course you’re right, sorry, I just hadn’t seen that interview and it made me so angry, I knew Wenger had judgement flaws and that Gazidis was terrible but I hadn’t realised NO CONTRACT AT ALL had been offered.
Disgraceful. 😡
Only took him seven years to talk about it, no Wenger no Gazidis to answer the questions that needed asking like why no offer.
To be fair he was injured majority of his career at Arsenal so not that shocking really
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
When it was not offered*, that should read.
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
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Did you actually put Aaron Ramsey’s name along that list of Arsenal greats? RvP has more talent in one toe than Ramsey has in his entire body
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 15 hours, 13 minutes ago
Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
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This
6 years wasted, including a good 3 title challenges and a CL final BLOWN! All because RVP couldn't either keep fit for more than half a season or stop claiming to be ready when he wasn't because his replacement was finding form or there was a 'big' game coming up.
By all means be mad at it as an example of "Upstairs debacle over years wrecked our club." However not because we never offered RVP a new contract but because we never sold him earlier, making better money allowing us to replace him with someone as good who wouldn't miss the big business part of every season.This is no slight on his ability, close to the best I've ever seen. But unlike the MFs and Wingers, we had nothing anywhere near RVP's level to replace him without massively blunting the attack.
*Always thought he should have gone to Spain, the slower less physical game could have seen him become hands down world's best.
comment by The Arteta, The (U18355)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
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Did you actually put Aaron Ramsey’s name along that list of Arsenal greats? RvP has more talent in one toe than Ramsey has in his entire body
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Aaron Ramsey, after suffering an injury similar to that which destroyed both Diaby and Eduardo's careers, won three FA Cups, was briefly the best player in the league, scored multiple key goals and finished his Arsenal career with 64 goals from midfield.
Before he was Shawcrossed, he was as talented as Fabregas. Not only that, he was at the heart of the club and our identity for a decade and would have signed the contract were it offered. AND he turned down United.
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
RVP told the club that he wanted to leave and wouldn't sign a new deal so that's why we didn't offer him a new contract.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
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Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
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Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
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Ramsey was nowhere near as good as Fabregas. But he was as talented.
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
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+1
There is no way red nose would have done the deal if it had been the other way round. Call it nous or common sense or whatever - the hapless Wenger never had it...
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
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+1
There is no way red nose would have done the deal if it had been the other way round. Call it nous or common sense or whatever - the hapless Wenger never had it...
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Exactly. As much as I love Wenger I was ready for him to go a decade before he did, that is not an exaggeration, I saw the signs right from the very beginning and knew it would only get worse and end in a bit of a sad manner with large portions of the fanbase. In fact, it may have even been earlier like 11/12 years but I would need to look back on the seasons and refresh my memory.
He really got very soft in the end when he lost his mojo, a younger Wenger would not have allowed RVP to leave like that I'm sure. It was like after all the tension and rivalry with Ferguson down the years he wanted to give him a 'thank-you for the memories' present for his final season and that was RVP.
Regardless of all that and RVP leaving he is in my top 5 favourite ever Arsenal players. I just can't hold it against him, he was right to tell Wenger and the club they needed to sign better players to win the league/CL (as we all know), at least he had the balls to and he was our best player himself, fair enough.
We should have done everything to keep him.
Pleased I saw him play live for Arsenal a few times, scored a cracking header at Elland Road in the FA Cup.
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 20 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
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Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
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Ramsey was nowhere near as good as Fabregas. But he was as talented.
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If the rumours are to believed Ramsey may be on his way back 🥴🥴
People keep saying SAF needed RVP to win the league but he could have won it without him.
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posted on 14/5/21
Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
posted on 14/5/21
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 minute ago
Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
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Yes, of course you’re right, sorry, I just hadn’t seen that interview and it made me so angry, I knew Wenger had judgement flaws and that Gazidis was terrible but I hadn’t realised NO CONTRACT AT ALL had been offered.
Disgraceful. 😡
posted on 14/5/21
Only took him seven years to talk about it, no Wenger no Gazidis to answer the questions that needed asking like why no offer.
posted on 14/5/21
To be fair he was injured majority of his career at Arsenal so not that shocking really
posted on 14/5/21
RVP legend
posted on 15/5/21
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
posted on 15/5/21
When it was not offered*, that should read.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
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Did you actually put Aaron Ramsey’s name along that list of Arsenal greats? RvP has more talent in one toe than Ramsey has in his entire body
posted on 15/5/21
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 15 hours, 13 minutes ago
Hasn’t this been common knowledge for a long time…
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This
posted on 15/5/21
6 years wasted, including a good 3 title challenges and a CL final BLOWN! All because RVP couldn't either keep fit for more than half a season or stop claiming to be ready when he wasn't because his replacement was finding form or there was a 'big' game coming up.
By all means be mad at it as an example of "Upstairs debacle over years wrecked our club." However not because we never offered RVP a new contract but because we never sold him earlier, making better money allowing us to replace him with someone as good who wouldn't miss the big business part of every season.This is no slight on his ability, close to the best I've ever seen. But unlike the MFs and Wingers, we had nothing anywhere near RVP's level to replace him without massively blunting the attack.
*Always thought he should have gone to Spain, the slower less physical game could have seen him become hands down world's best.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by The Arteta, The (U18355)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
From what I've read, he wanted "we will sign Chiellini" in his contract, and was then surprised when it was offered. He would have been a lower league player with his injury record but for Arsenal.
He was a good player, great even. But he wasn't at the heart of the club. Not really. He's not Cesc or Thierry or Dennis or Patrick or Santi or Aaron. He's a long term Nasri and nothing more.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you actually put Aaron Ramsey’s name along that list of Arsenal greats? RvP has more talent in one toe than Ramsey has in his entire body
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Ramsey, after suffering an injury similar to that which destroyed both Diaby and Eduardo's careers, won three FA Cups, was briefly the best player in the league, scored multiple key goals and finished his Arsenal career with 64 goals from midfield.
Before he was Shawcrossed, he was as talented as Fabregas. Not only that, he was at the heart of the club and our identity for a decade and would have signed the contract were it offered. AND he turned down United.
posted on 15/5/21
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
posted on 15/5/21
RVP told the club that he wanted to leave and wouldn't sign a new deal so that's why we didn't offer him a new contract.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
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Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ramsey was nowhere near as good as Fabregas. But he was as talented.
posted on 15/5/21
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
posted on 15/5/21
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
There is no way red nose would have done the deal if it had been the other way round. Call it nous or common sense or whatever - the hapless Wenger never had it...
posted on 15/5/21
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - IDHT2EU (U12019)
posted 16 minutes ago
The most sickening part was that there was a clause in the transfer which meant Man Utd paid us an extra fee in the region of £5m if they won the Premier League with RVP.
Giving your biggest modern rivals your best player and star striker to enable them to win the PL by giving them the one missing ingredient they needed. That is unforgivable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
+1
There is no way red nose would have done the deal if it had been the other way round. Call it nous or common sense or whatever - the hapless Wenger never had it...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. As much as I love Wenger I was ready for him to go a decade before he did, that is not an exaggeration, I saw the signs right from the very beginning and knew it would only get worse and end in a bit of a sad manner with large portions of the fanbase. In fact, it may have even been earlier like 11/12 years but I would need to look back on the seasons and refresh my memory.
He really got very soft in the end when he lost his mojo, a younger Wenger would not have allowed RVP to leave like that I'm sure. It was like after all the tension and rivalry with Ferguson down the years he wanted to give him a 'thank-you for the memories' present for his final season and that was RVP.
posted on 15/5/21
Regardless of all that and RVP leaving he is in my top 5 favourite ever Arsenal players. I just can't hold it against him, he was right to tell Wenger and the club they needed to sign better players to win the league/CL (as we all know), at least he had the balls to and he was our best player himself, fair enough.
We should have done everything to keep him.
Pleased I saw him play live for Arsenal a few times, scored a cracking header at Elland Road in the FA Cup.
posted on 16/5/21
comment by Girøulski Alt-0216 forever (U14971)
posted 20 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ramsey wasn't as talented as Fabregas. Yes he was loyal but it was during a period when we were average and underachieving, wouldn't put him anywhere near those list of legends personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody was as good as Fabregas in that role, it’s true that the team was set up for him to play that role but he was extraordinary - I don’t think he was ever again as good or influential on any team when he left.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ramsey was nowhere near as good as Fabregas. But he was as talented.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the rumours are to believed Ramsey may be on his way back 🥴🥴
posted on 16/5/21
People keep saying SAF needed RVP to win the league but he could have won it without him.
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