comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nope, I called him a priiick though which he is.
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Admin (assuming renoog has gone the way of the last OP) probably just saw the way the wind was blowing and shut it down before he had to
For balance yeah I’ve been filtered by Sat Nav, NPE & TBAB but I’ve also been filtered by Sizzle as well
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Had a quick read of the election thread with a view to rejoining it...
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I accidentally resubscribed a while back, entered into a discussion about trans rights (a subject on which I would say I have a pretty mainstream view), and was promptly insulted and slandered.
I regret resubscribing, and would strongly recommend that you don’t, Insert.
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I was thinking about an alternative thread that i would properly moderate and remove abusive people from
I miss the littler environmental discussion that happened on there tbh
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Yeah, me too
It’s just impossible on there now though. Discussions just always end up developing like this...
Poster A: [states ‘reasonable’ position in unthreatening manner]
Poster B: “So you support [unrelated extreme position] then, and are happy to see [isolated/unique tangentially-related event] happen? Ridiculous.”
Poster A: “No; I do not support [extreme position]. That isn’t what I said. The event you referenced is unfortunate/unacceptable, of course; but is clearly an outlier. I am simply in support of working to defend [x rights/protections].”
Poster B: “So anyone who doesn’t hold [‘reasonable’ position] is an [x-]phobic bigot? This is the problem with the dangerous wokestremist, cancel culture brigade. They won’t be happy until white, middle class men are silenced for good.”
Poster A: “? With respect, I haven’t suggested any of that.”
Poster B: “I will not engage with Poster A if they aren’t prepared to debate in good faith.”
Etc.
I find it equal parts confusing, frustrating and saddening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its come a long way from just before the Brexit vote.. It was enjoyable and informative, and then NPE returned from one of his Hiatus.
Its a shame because if someone actively moderated it then nice discussions can be had.
Back on topic at least;
“In 2020, the US gave $3.8bn worth of aid to Israel - part of a long-term yearly commitment made by the Obama administration, which will run until 2028.
The vast majority of this aid is for military assistance, according to the Congressional Research Service.
The money has helped Israel develop one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
Israel has used the grants to buy F-35 aircraft, and in 2020, the US provided $500m for missile defence, including investments in Israel's Iron Dome system, which intercepts rockets.
Since 2011, the US has provided $1.6bn for the Iron Dome.
Since World War Two, Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of US foreign aid.
Meanwhile, President Biden has restored some funding ($235m) for the UN agency which helps Palestinian refugees - this funding was cut by the Trump administration in 2018.“
Does that last paragraph not highlight the distortion in reaction to both sides of this conflict?
Insert
I tend only to post on there now to provide information (usually about COVID-19 and more widely about virology and epidemiology, etc. on which I’ve been doing a lot of reading this last 12 months) to counter inaccurate or misleading posts, or to post up articles which I find interesting and think might be interesting to others.
I’m avoiding the ‘debates’ like the plague.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
I am writing this looking at my terrified six-year old son, who keeps putting his hands over his ears, trying to block out the sounds of Israel’s bombardment. I am also with my two daughters, aged 13 and 10, and my wife. Their faces show the anxiety of not knowing if – and where – we are safe.
My two older sons, 16 and 15, sit stunned and silent – and I know they are reliving the memories of the previous three offensives on Gaza Strip and the family members we lost. These are the feelings that every family in the Gaza Strip is living through.
We Palestinians have lived through decades of humiliation, injustices, and maltreatment. In 1948, we were expelled from our land: over 600 villages were fully destroyed, hundreds of thousands of us were killed or uprooted. Nearly 800,000 of us ended up living as refugees in different places around the globe.
This happened under the eyes of the international community who have promised us a sovereign state over about one fifth of our original homeland. That decision was only accepted in the 1990s by Palestinians believing in a two-state solution.
Some 26 years later, we look at the conditions in the promised state of Palestine and we see a West Bank divided and occupied by hundreds of thousands of settlers living in settlements built on the rubble of Palestinian homes. We see that the existence of the Palestinian people is a living hell.
We see the Gaza Strip under blockade for more than 14 years, leaving us deprived of basic living conditions. We’ve also suffered three large offensives in this small area which killed, destroyed and traumatised thousands of our people.
And we see east Jerusalem, with its holiest sites – for Muslims and Christians alike – under constant threat, as settlers take over Palestinian homes and neighbourhoods.
Israeli settlers recently started to attack Sheikh Jarrah, trying to seize more homes of Palestinian families. Everyone saw it. No one intervened.
On one of the holiest evenings of Ramadan, Israel decided to evict tens of thousands of worshippers who were praying at Al-Aqsa. These were mostly Palestinians. Everyone saw the brutal use of military power by Israel. Again, no one intervened.
The violent scenes in Sheikh Jarrah and the Al-Aqsa compound have lit a fire in Palestinian hearts; not only in historic Palestine, but also everywhere in the world.
While we demonstrated in Akka, Nazareth and the West Bank, rockets were fired from Gaza demanding an end to the atrocities in Jerusalem.
The Israeli army’s response was to attack Gaza with even more violence than in previous offensives. Bombardments hit tower blocks, apartments, governmental and police buildings – even whole streets. To date, at least 200 Palestinians have been killed, including 58 children; and 10 people in Israel, including two children. Everyone is seeing it. No one intervenes.
How long will the world sit idly by while we in Gaza suffer like this? The people of Gaza need more than just statements and resolutions, while Israel receives arms which are killing and terrorising us.
I am a father first and a psychiatrist second. My dream is for my children to live, to grow, to learn, in safety. This is the same dream as that of every one of the clients I see. There will be more of them today – and tomorrow.
It is my job to give hope. So, I will tell them what I tell my children and my wife: “Because this injustice for Palestinians has gone on for seven decades, that does not make it normal. The world is increasingly full of people who do not accept it is normal. There will be change.”
Concrete political action is needed now to end not only the current deathly bombing raids, but also this illegal occupation and siege of Gaza by Israel. The international community must now fulfil its promise of a sovereign Palestinian state. Every civilized country must recognize us.
Our living conditions under the siege are an affront to human dignity. I tell my children and my clients that we Palestinians have the right to live as any other people in the world: to live in peace, in dignity and to enjoy our rights. “It will come,” I say. And I have to believe it, after all, I’m a father – I can’t bear to see my children live like this any longer.
Above item from someone currently living and experiencing Gaza.
Hope it helps.
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
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I remember a suggestion in a letter to a local paper from a Jewish woman who suggested giving Palestinians land in the Northwest Territories. Above the fekin arctic circle. And she thought that would solve everything. Laughable and sad at the same time
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This current gov would secretly sink the refugees boats in the sea and call them 'terrorist trying to invade our land'....and most people would accept it as truth.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
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If private citizens did that they'd be charged with facilitating a crime.
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 40 minutes ago
I am writing this looking at my terrified six-year old son, who keeps putting his hands over his ears, trying to block out the sounds of Israel’s bombardment. I am also with my two daughters, aged 13 and 10, and my wife. Their faces show the anxiety of not knowing if – and where – we are safe.
My two older sons, 16 and 15, sit stunned and silent – and I know they are reliving the memories of the previous three offensives on Gaza Strip and the family members we lost. These are the feelings that every family in the Gaza Strip is living through.
We Palestinians have lived through decades of humiliation, injustices, and maltreatment. In 1948, we were expelled from our land: over 600 villages were fully destroyed, hundreds of thousands of us were killed or uprooted. Nearly 800,000 of us ended up living as refugees in different places around the globe.
This happened under the eyes of the international community who have promised us a sovereign state over about one fifth of our original homeland. That decision was only accepted in the 1990s by Palestinians believing in a two-state solution.
Some 26 years later, we look at the conditions in the promised state of Palestine and we see a West Bank divided and occupied by hundreds of thousands of settlers living in settlements built on the rubble of Palestinian homes. We see that the existence of the Palestinian people is a living hell.
We see the Gaza Strip under blockade for more than 14 years, leaving us deprived of basic living conditions. We’ve also suffered three large offensives in this small area which killed, destroyed and traumatised thousands of our people.
And we see east Jerusalem, with its holiest sites – for Muslims and Christians alike – under constant threat, as settlers take over Palestinian homes and neighbourhoods.
Israeli settlers recently started to attack Sheikh Jarrah, trying to seize more homes of Palestinian families. Everyone saw it. No one intervened.
On one of the holiest evenings of Ramadan, Israel decided to evict tens of thousands of worshippers who were praying at Al-Aqsa. These were mostly Palestinians. Everyone saw the brutal use of military power by Israel. Again, no one intervened.
The violent scenes in Sheikh Jarrah and the Al-Aqsa compound have lit a fire in Palestinian hearts; not only in historic Palestine, but also everywhere in the world.
While we demonstrated in Akka, Nazareth and the West Bank, rockets were fired from Gaza demanding an end to the atrocities in Jerusalem.
The Israeli army’s response was to attack Gaza with even more violence than in previous offensives. Bombardments hit tower blocks, apartments, governmental and police buildings – even whole streets. To date, at least 200 Palestinians have been killed, including 58 children; and 10 people in Israel, including two children. Everyone is seeing it. No one intervenes.
How long will the world sit idly by while we in Gaza suffer like this? The people of Gaza need more than just statements and resolutions, while Israel receives arms which are killing and terrorising us.
I am a father first and a psychiatrist second. My dream is for my children to live, to grow, to learn, in safety. This is the same dream as that of every one of the clients I see. There will be more of them today – and tomorrow.
It is my job to give hope. So, I will tell them what I tell my children and my wife: “Because this injustice for Palestinians has gone on for seven decades, that does not make it normal. The world is increasingly full of people who do not accept it is normal. There will be change.”
Concrete political action is needed now to end not only the current deathly bombing raids, but also this illegal occupation and siege of Gaza by Israel. The international community must now fulfil its promise of a sovereign Palestinian state. Every civilized country must recognize us.
Our living conditions under the siege are an affront to human dignity. I tell my children and my clients that we Palestinians have the right to live as any other people in the world: to live in peace, in dignity and to enjoy our rights. “It will come,” I say. And I have to believe it, after all, I’m a father – I can’t bear to see my children live like this any longer.
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The only post anybody needs to read.
Best wishes to you and your family, I hope you can manage to stay safe.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
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If private citizens did that they'd be charged with facilitating a crime.
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Exactly, I didn’t shoot the sheriff, nor his deputy, I did provide the gun, bullets and money for F15 fighter jets and a missile defence system. Plus backed him on the world stage politically.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
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I wish you the very best of luck, you massive glutton for punishment
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
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I wish you the very best of luck, you massive glutton for punishment
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I hope you join in rosso, you, black hawk, dave and WWSPD were my favourite posters on the OG thread
if it can be kept civil, it should be enjoyable
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
Cease fire but salutes to Palestenians for retaining control of Aqsa Masjid against all odds. They are easily bravest people on planet. Fighting against one of the most strongest armies of the world by pelting stones shows outstanding courage.
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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AFTV or shall I say ZFTV sack Moh for his Free Palestine message. I guess Ray Parlour was right about Robbie after all.
comment by Tu Meke - NearlyHeadlessNico (U3732)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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This guy is amazing.
He's a top lad. But that comment just sent me
“It’s not proportional. It’s not temporary. It’s not legal. It’s not equal.
“And it’s not complicated: Believe your eyes. Follow your conscience. The reason that it looks like apartheid is simply because it is apartheid.”
Hagai El-Ad, director general of Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem, former director of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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MI5 will be keeping tabs mate
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posted on 18/5/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
Nope, I called him a priiick though which he is.
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Admin (assuming renoog has gone the way of the last OP) probably just saw the way the wind was blowing and shut it down before he had to
posted on 18/5/21
For balance yeah I’ve been filtered by Sat Nav, NPE & TBAB but I’ve also been filtered by Sizzle as well
posted on 18/5/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Had a quick read of the election thread with a view to rejoining it...
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I accidentally resubscribed a while back, entered into a discussion about trans rights (a subject on which I would say I have a pretty mainstream view), and was promptly insulted and slandered.
I regret resubscribing, and would strongly recommend that you don’t, Insert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was thinking about an alternative thread that i would properly moderate and remove abusive people from
I miss the littler environmental discussion that happened on there tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, me too
It’s just impossible on there now though. Discussions just always end up developing like this...
Poster A: [states ‘reasonable’ position in unthreatening manner]
Poster B: “So you support [unrelated extreme position] then, and are happy to see [isolated/unique tangentially-related event] happen? Ridiculous.”
Poster A: “No; I do not support [extreme position]. That isn’t what I said. The event you referenced is unfortunate/unacceptable, of course; but is clearly an outlier. I am simply in support of working to defend [x rights/protections].”
Poster B: “So anyone who doesn’t hold [‘reasonable’ position] is an [x-]phobic bigot? This is the problem with the dangerous wokestremist, cancel culture brigade. They won’t be happy until white, middle class men are silenced for good.”
Poster A: “? With respect, I haven’t suggested any of that.”
Poster B: “I will not engage with Poster A if they aren’t prepared to debate in good faith.”
Etc.
I find it equal parts confusing, frustrating and saddening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its come a long way from just before the Brexit vote.. It was enjoyable and informative, and then NPE returned from one of his Hiatus.
Its a shame because if someone actively moderated it then nice discussions can be had.
posted on 18/5/21
Back on topic at least;
“In 2020, the US gave $3.8bn worth of aid to Israel - part of a long-term yearly commitment made by the Obama administration, which will run until 2028.
The vast majority of this aid is for military assistance, according to the Congressional Research Service.
The money has helped Israel develop one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
Israel has used the grants to buy F-35 aircraft, and in 2020, the US provided $500m for missile defence, including investments in Israel's Iron Dome system, which intercepts rockets.
Since 2011, the US has provided $1.6bn for the Iron Dome.
Since World War Two, Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of US foreign aid.
Meanwhile, President Biden has restored some funding ($235m) for the UN agency which helps Palestinian refugees - this funding was cut by the Trump administration in 2018.“
Does that last paragraph not highlight the distortion in reaction to both sides of this conflict?
posted on 18/5/21
Insert
I tend only to post on there now to provide information (usually about COVID-19 and more widely about virology and epidemiology, etc. on which I’ve been doing a lot of reading this last 12 months) to counter inaccurate or misleading posts, or to post up articles which I find interesting and think might be interesting to others.
I’m avoiding the ‘debates’ like the plague.
posted on 18/5/21
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
posted on 18/5/21
I am writing this looking at my terrified six-year old son, who keeps putting his hands over his ears, trying to block out the sounds of Israel’s bombardment. I am also with my two daughters, aged 13 and 10, and my wife. Their faces show the anxiety of not knowing if – and where – we are safe.
My two older sons, 16 and 15, sit stunned and silent – and I know they are reliving the memories of the previous three offensives on Gaza Strip and the family members we lost. These are the feelings that every family in the Gaza Strip is living through.
We Palestinians have lived through decades of humiliation, injustices, and maltreatment. In 1948, we were expelled from our land: over 600 villages were fully destroyed, hundreds of thousands of us were killed or uprooted. Nearly 800,000 of us ended up living as refugees in different places around the globe.
This happened under the eyes of the international community who have promised us a sovereign state over about one fifth of our original homeland. That decision was only accepted in the 1990s by Palestinians believing in a two-state solution.
Some 26 years later, we look at the conditions in the promised state of Palestine and we see a West Bank divided and occupied by hundreds of thousands of settlers living in settlements built on the rubble of Palestinian homes. We see that the existence of the Palestinian people is a living hell.
We see the Gaza Strip under blockade for more than 14 years, leaving us deprived of basic living conditions. We’ve also suffered three large offensives in this small area which killed, destroyed and traumatised thousands of our people.
And we see east Jerusalem, with its holiest sites – for Muslims and Christians alike – under constant threat, as settlers take over Palestinian homes and neighbourhoods.
Israeli settlers recently started to attack Sheikh Jarrah, trying to seize more homes of Palestinian families. Everyone saw it. No one intervened.
On one of the holiest evenings of Ramadan, Israel decided to evict tens of thousands of worshippers who were praying at Al-Aqsa. These were mostly Palestinians. Everyone saw the brutal use of military power by Israel. Again, no one intervened.
The violent scenes in Sheikh Jarrah and the Al-Aqsa compound have lit a fire in Palestinian hearts; not only in historic Palestine, but also everywhere in the world.
While we demonstrated in Akka, Nazareth and the West Bank, rockets were fired from Gaza demanding an end to the atrocities in Jerusalem.
The Israeli army’s response was to attack Gaza with even more violence than in previous offensives. Bombardments hit tower blocks, apartments, governmental and police buildings – even whole streets. To date, at least 200 Palestinians have been killed, including 58 children; and 10 people in Israel, including two children. Everyone is seeing it. No one intervenes.
How long will the world sit idly by while we in Gaza suffer like this? The people of Gaza need more than just statements and resolutions, while Israel receives arms which are killing and terrorising us.
I am a father first and a psychiatrist second. My dream is for my children to live, to grow, to learn, in safety. This is the same dream as that of every one of the clients I see. There will be more of them today – and tomorrow.
It is my job to give hope. So, I will tell them what I tell my children and my wife: “Because this injustice for Palestinians has gone on for seven decades, that does not make it normal. The world is increasingly full of people who do not accept it is normal. There will be change.”
Concrete political action is needed now to end not only the current deathly bombing raids, but also this illegal occupation and siege of Gaza by Israel. The international community must now fulfil its promise of a sovereign Palestinian state. Every civilized country must recognize us.
Our living conditions under the siege are an affront to human dignity. I tell my children and my clients that we Palestinians have the right to live as any other people in the world: to live in peace, in dignity and to enjoy our rights. “It will come,” I say. And I have to believe it, after all, I’m a father – I can’t bear to see my children live like this any longer.
posted on 18/5/21
Above item from someone currently living and experiencing Gaza.
Hope it helps.
posted on 18/5/21
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
posted on 18/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember a suggestion in a letter to a local paper from a Jewish woman who suggested giving Palestinians land in the Northwest Territories. Above the fekin arctic circle. And she thought that would solve everything. Laughable and sad at the same time
posted on 18/5/21
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
This sounds like an understatement but that’s horrific!
I wonder, would any of those who back Israel’s actions be willing to accept Palestinian refugees over here who have been displaced by the conflict ours & the US governments have been complicit in?
I mean is it not the decent thing to do? Or should they go somewhere else?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This current gov would secretly sink the refugees boats in the sea and call them 'terrorist trying to invade our land'....and most people would accept it as truth.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If private citizens did that they'd be charged with facilitating a crime.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Picasso (U21397)
posted 40 minutes ago
I am writing this looking at my terrified six-year old son, who keeps putting his hands over his ears, trying to block out the sounds of Israel’s bombardment. I am also with my two daughters, aged 13 and 10, and my wife. Their faces show the anxiety of not knowing if – and where – we are safe.
My two older sons, 16 and 15, sit stunned and silent – and I know they are reliving the memories of the previous three offensives on Gaza Strip and the family members we lost. These are the feelings that every family in the Gaza Strip is living through.
We Palestinians have lived through decades of humiliation, injustices, and maltreatment. In 1948, we were expelled from our land: over 600 villages were fully destroyed, hundreds of thousands of us were killed or uprooted. Nearly 800,000 of us ended up living as refugees in different places around the globe.
This happened under the eyes of the international community who have promised us a sovereign state over about one fifth of our original homeland. That decision was only accepted in the 1990s by Palestinians believing in a two-state solution.
Some 26 years later, we look at the conditions in the promised state of Palestine and we see a West Bank divided and occupied by hundreds of thousands of settlers living in settlements built on the rubble of Palestinian homes. We see that the existence of the Palestinian people is a living hell.
We see the Gaza Strip under blockade for more than 14 years, leaving us deprived of basic living conditions. We’ve also suffered three large offensives in this small area which killed, destroyed and traumatised thousands of our people.
And we see east Jerusalem, with its holiest sites – for Muslims and Christians alike – under constant threat, as settlers take over Palestinian homes and neighbourhoods.
Israeli settlers recently started to attack Sheikh Jarrah, trying to seize more homes of Palestinian families. Everyone saw it. No one intervened.
On one of the holiest evenings of Ramadan, Israel decided to evict tens of thousands of worshippers who were praying at Al-Aqsa. These were mostly Palestinians. Everyone saw the brutal use of military power by Israel. Again, no one intervened.
The violent scenes in Sheikh Jarrah and the Al-Aqsa compound have lit a fire in Palestinian hearts; not only in historic Palestine, but also everywhere in the world.
While we demonstrated in Akka, Nazareth and the West Bank, rockets were fired from Gaza demanding an end to the atrocities in Jerusalem.
The Israeli army’s response was to attack Gaza with even more violence than in previous offensives. Bombardments hit tower blocks, apartments, governmental and police buildings – even whole streets. To date, at least 200 Palestinians have been killed, including 58 children; and 10 people in Israel, including two children. Everyone is seeing it. No one intervenes.
How long will the world sit idly by while we in Gaza suffer like this? The people of Gaza need more than just statements and resolutions, while Israel receives arms which are killing and terrorising us.
I am a father first and a psychiatrist second. My dream is for my children to live, to grow, to learn, in safety. This is the same dream as that of every one of the clients I see. There will be more of them today – and tomorrow.
It is my job to give hope. So, I will tell them what I tell my children and my wife: “Because this injustice for Palestinians has gone on for seven decades, that does not make it normal. The world is increasingly full of people who do not accept it is normal. There will be change.”
Concrete political action is needed now to end not only the current deathly bombing raids, but also this illegal occupation and siege of Gaza by Israel. The international community must now fulfil its promise of a sovereign Palestinian state. Every civilized country must recognize us.
Our living conditions under the siege are an affront to human dignity. I tell my children and my clients that we Palestinians have the right to live as any other people in the world: to live in peace, in dignity and to enjoy our rights. “It will come,” I say. And I have to believe it, after all, I’m a father – I can’t bear to see my children live like this any longer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The only post anybody needs to read.
Best wishes to you and your family, I hope you can manage to stay safe.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SOQ
Well that’s a practical solution
I do wonder whether countries who are complicit in making citizens of another homeless should be obliged to give shelter and safety as a repercussion. This philosophy of ‘we’re not going to commit the actual act, but will support and provide weaponry for it, needs to have actual tangible consequences. It’s a cowardly act.
Why should neighbouring countries have to share that burden by sheer coincidence of geography? Especially if they’ve had nothing to do with the actual conflict.
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If private citizens did that they'd be charged with facilitating a crime.
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Exactly, I didn’t shoot the sheriff, nor his deputy, I did provide the gun, bullets and money for F15 fighter jets and a missile defence system. Plus backed him on the world stage politically.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
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I wish you the very best of luck, you massive glutton for punishment
posted on 18/5/21
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback #GlazersOut (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/434654
Ive had a crack at publishing a new thread, Ill try to adminster it as fairly as possible
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I wish you the very best of luck, you massive glutton for punishment
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I hope you join in rosso, you, black hawk, dave and WWSPD were my favourite posters on the OG thread
if it can be kept civil, it should be enjoyable
posted on 20/5/21
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
posted on 21/5/21
Cease fire but salutes to Palestenians for retaining control of Aqsa Masjid against all odds. They are easily bravest people on planet. Fighting against one of the most strongest armies of the world by pelting stones shows outstanding courage.
posted on 21/5/21
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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posted on 21/5/21
AFTV or shall I say ZFTV sack Moh for his Free Palestine message. I guess Ray Parlour was right about Robbie after all.
posted on 21/5/21
comment by Tu Meke - NearlyHeadlessNico (U3732)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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This guy is amazing.
posted on 21/5/21
He's a top lad. But that comment just sent me
posted on 21/5/21
“It’s not proportional. It’s not temporary. It’s not legal. It’s not equal.
“And it’s not complicated: Believe your eyes. Follow your conscience. The reason that it looks like apartheid is simply because it is apartheid.”
Hagai El-Ad, director general of Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem, former director of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
Rejoined Gym yesterday. WAR IS ON
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MI5 will be keeping tabs mate
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