comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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It's not an either/or subject if you want to kick on rather than the making up the numbers.
Good luck with the rest of your tournament, looking forward to meeting you again circa 2045.
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I think your reply just clearly shows you can’t understand what was written. I combined the two as necessities ffs.
As for the 2045 remark, equally you’ll still have the same tournament wins as us in all likelihood.
Imagine all that effort, hopes, dreams and tears……
….for nothing.
Good luck on bringing something home that has never been won by your country.
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You seem to be under the impression that I'll be disappointed if England don't win every tournament. I guess it helps justify your very tiresome "English arrogance" thing.
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You must have missed the multitude of arrogant statements and predictions prior to the game.
Understandable if you really have not a lot of concern as to how you won’t be disappointed. As for every tournament
Maybe it’s tiresome for you because you equally know it happens
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Maybe self-awareness isn't your strong point. Please keep telling me what I think and why it makes me arrogant.
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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It's not an either/or subject if you want to kick on rather than the making up the numbers.
Good luck with the rest of your tournament, looking forward to meeting you again circa 2045.
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I think your reply just clearly shows you can’t understand what was written. I combined the two as necessities ffs.
As for the 2045 remark, equally you’ll still have the same tournament wins as us in all likelihood.
Imagine all that effort, hopes, dreams and tears……
….for nothing.
Good luck on bringing something home that has never been won by your country.
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You seem to be under the impression that I'll be disappointed if England don't win every tournament. I guess it helps justify your very tiresome "English arrogance" thing.
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You must have missed the multitude of arrogant statements and predictions prior to the game.
Understandable if you really have not a lot of concern as to how you won’t be disappointed. As for every tournament
Maybe it’s tiresome for you because you equally know it happens
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Maybe self-awareness isn't your strong point. Please keep telling me what I think and why it makes me arrogant.
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I will if and when I do that. Did I ever mention you?
Nope. Don’t think I did.
So equally you crack on with telling me as to why you think I’m justifying something you imagine.
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire
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What a nonsense statement, do you sincerely believe that Kane and Robertson differ in any way shape or form as far as will or desire are concerned or for that matter Adams (born in Leicester) or Dykes (born in Queensland) have more passion for Scotland than Rashford has for England.
Will and desire is a myth.
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 2 minutes ago
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire
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What a nonsense statement, do you sincerely believe that Kane and Robertson differ in any way shape or form as far as will or desire are concerned or for that matter Adams (born in Leicester) or Dykes (born in Queensland) have more passion for Scotland than Rashford has for England.
Will and desire is a myth.
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Will and desire are myths? I think that’s the nonsense statement
Not sure I could finish counting the number of times trophies and competitions have been won by teams who weren’t the most skilful. It takes more than that. And desire and will are huge parts of that.
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 1 minute ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Guess some just don’t like an alternative view is all. Hey ho.
I thought your players looked off it too in honesty. Just didn’t seem to be as bothered. Who knows why.
I think our first season back in the Premier was full off passion and a desire to win, that's where the manager-coach come in, its their job to set the tatics and at the same time instill the will and passion into the players!..
If will and desire are a myth, than lower div clubs shouldn't be knocking top clubs out off competitions!..
I wonder how the game would have ended if Bielsa was in charge of England or Scotland, don't want an argument but I think there would have been a winner!..
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 6 seconds ago
I think our first season back in the Premier was full off passion and a desire to win, that's where the manager-coach come in, its their job to set the tatics and at the same time instill the will and passion into the players!..
If will and desire are a myth, than lower div clubs shouldn't be knocking top clubs out off competitions!..
I wonder how the game would have ended if Bielsa was in charge of England or Scotland, don't want an argument but I think there would have been a winner!..
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Yep.
Agree with this.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Ha, sorry – I think it was my comment that turned this article into an episode of Braveheart (love the analogy!). Er, yes, Bamford vs Kane - now where were we...
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posted 46 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Ha, sorry – I think it was my comment that turned this article into an episode of Braveheart (love the analogy!). Er, yes, Bamford vs Kane - now where were we...
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i think everyone agreed bamford is much better.
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
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Erm. I believe I’m saying exactly the same thing
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
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Erm. I believe I’m saying exactly the same thing
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Good that we agree then
Indeed.
I think Braveheart (Mel Gibson anyway) lost in the end too
Ginge, I reiterate, you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with drive and passion, Adams, in previous tournaments would probably have been cheering England on because he is English, Dykes was probably hoping to get into the Australian squad for the next world cup.
They wanted to win a football match as all footballers do. Driven by professional pride not nationalism or passion driven by their love of the thistle.
Of course English players have that same professional pride but unfortunately Southgate is very limited as a coach.
Wonder what the impact of Mount and Chilwell isolating on the England team for tomorrow.
The Mount/Chilwell stuff is a nonsense. They may have got all buddies with Gilmour at the end, but they then would have gone back to the same changing room and got close up to team mates. As Gilmour would have done in the Scots changing rooms.
It's all much ado about nothing for show. So much contradiction and nonsense with the Covid precautions (not just in the footy).
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 19 hours, 18 minutes ago
Ginge, I reiterate, you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with drive and passion, Adams, in previous tournaments would probably have been cheering England on because he is English, Dykes was probably hoping to get into the Australian squad for the next world cup.
They wanted to win a football match as all footballers do. Driven by professional pride not nationalism or passion driven by their love of the thistle.
Of course English players have that same professional pride but unfortunately Southgate is very limited as a coach.
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You’re entitled to your view as utter pisssh as it is
"nothing to do with drive and passion"
"will and desire"
"Pride"
I'd think they can all be put together and used in anything anyone does, that's if their loyalty to the cause is true!..
Any footballer,(sports person!)that doesn't have them isn't true to his/her club/cause, but these days its a case off money and who pays the most, back in the day players played for their shirt and showed more loyalty to it, these days its fall over and look at your bank statements!..
National Pride is something that brings the most out off most, let it be England, Scotland, Wales or Macedonia the players have their shirt and a passion to defend it the bast they can!..
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 minute ago
"nothing to do with drive and passion"
"will and desire"
"Pride"
I'd think they can all be put together and used in anything anyone does, that's if their loyalty to the cause is true!..
Any footballer,(sports person!)that doesn't have them isn't true to his/her club/cause, but these days its a case off money and who pays the most, back in the day players played for their shirt and showed more loyalty to it, these days its fall over and look at your bank statements!..
National Pride is something that brings the most out off most, let it be England, Scotland, Wales or Macedonia the players have their shirt and a passion to defend it the bast they can!..
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Agreed although I think that alludes more to club than country.
Players undoubtedly earn more being of international standard but the real money is at club level.
Having national pride (which the England players will have anyway) is fine, but it comes second/third to tactical setup and raw ability. You can have all the national pride you want, but if you weren't good enough to begin with then you still won't be.
I think I should have left the National out off that, but I've been pushing more towards the will and desire, pride, drive and passion and everything else that its being called, because I think all players have it but some don't show it, those that ain't as good as the top players usually show more but because they're not as good they're known as the gave it his best or the chicken with no head!..
The National thing is Country which usually makes players try that bit harder, that's why I mentioned Macedonia because even the smaller Lands will try that bit harder!..
In the Champioship people thinking its Leeds so we have to try harder, us in the Premiership against the so called big boys thinking we should try harder, to me every game is the same and the players should give their all every time!..
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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It's not an either/or subject if you want to kick on rather than the making up the numbers.
Good luck with the rest of your tournament, looking forward to meeting you again circa 2045.
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I think your reply just clearly shows you can’t understand what was written. I combined the two as necessities ffs.
As for the 2045 remark, equally you’ll still have the same tournament wins as us in all likelihood.
Imagine all that effort, hopes, dreams and tears……
….for nothing.
Good luck on bringing something home that has never been won by your country.
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You seem to be under the impression that I'll be disappointed if England don't win every tournament. I guess it helps justify your very tiresome "English arrogance" thing.
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You must have missed the multitude of arrogant statements and predictions prior to the game.
Understandable if you really have not a lot of concern as to how you won’t be disappointed. As for every tournament
Maybe it’s tiresome for you because you equally know it happens
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Maybe self-awareness isn't your strong point. Please keep telling me what I think and why it makes me arrogant.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sol (U2745)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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It's not an either/or subject if you want to kick on rather than the making up the numbers.
Good luck with the rest of your tournament, looking forward to meeting you again circa 2045.
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I think your reply just clearly shows you can’t understand what was written. I combined the two as necessities ffs.
As for the 2045 remark, equally you’ll still have the same tournament wins as us in all likelihood.
Imagine all that effort, hopes, dreams and tears……
….for nothing.
Good luck on bringing something home that has never been won by your country.
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You seem to be under the impression that I'll be disappointed if England don't win every tournament. I guess it helps justify your very tiresome "English arrogance" thing.
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You must have missed the multitude of arrogant statements and predictions prior to the game.
Understandable if you really have not a lot of concern as to how you won’t be disappointed. As for every tournament
Maybe it’s tiresome for you because you equally know it happens
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Maybe self-awareness isn't your strong point. Please keep telling me what I think and why it makes me arrogant.
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I will if and when I do that. Did I ever mention you?
Nope. Don’t think I did.
So equally you crack on with telling me as to why you think I’m justifying something you imagine.
posted on 21/6/21
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire
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What a nonsense statement, do you sincerely believe that Kane and Robertson differ in any way shape or form as far as will or desire are concerned or for that matter Adams (born in Leicester) or Dykes (born in Queensland) have more passion for Scotland than Rashford has for England.
Will and desire is a myth.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 2 minutes ago
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire
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What a nonsense statement, do you sincerely believe that Kane and Robertson differ in any way shape or form as far as will or desire are concerned or for that matter Adams (born in Leicester) or Dykes (born in Queensland) have more passion for Scotland than Rashford has for England.
Will and desire is a myth.
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Will and desire are myths? I think that’s the nonsense statement
Not sure I could finish counting the number of times trophies and competitions have been won by teams who weren’t the most skilful. It takes more than that. And desire and will are huge parts of that.
posted on 21/6/21
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 1 minute ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Guess some just don’t like an alternative view is all. Hey ho.
I thought your players looked off it too in honesty. Just didn’t seem to be as bothered. Who knows why.
posted on 21/6/21
I think our first season back in the Premier was full off passion and a desire to win, that's where the manager-coach come in, its their job to set the tatics and at the same time instill the will and passion into the players!..
If will and desire are a myth, than lower div clubs shouldn't be knocking top clubs out off competitions!..
I wonder how the game would have ended if Bielsa was in charge of England or Scotland, don't want an argument but I think there would have been a winner!..
posted on 21/6/21
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 6 seconds ago
I think our first season back in the Premier was full off passion and a desire to win, that's where the manager-coach come in, its their job to set the tatics and at the same time instill the will and passion into the players!..
If will and desire are a myth, than lower div clubs shouldn't be knocking top clubs out off competitions!..
I wonder how the game would have ended if Bielsa was in charge of England or Scotland, don't want an argument but I think there would have been a winner!..
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Yep.
Agree with this.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Ha, sorry – I think it was my comment that turned this article into an episode of Braveheart (love the analogy!). Er, yes, Bamford vs Kane - now where were we...
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Its all about believing .... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
How did a post about Bamford turn into an episode of Braveheart ?!?!?!
England couldn't crack what was/is a Scotland side with some decent players. I thought many of Englands side looked off it, for whatever reason. Hype, expectation, pressure - who knows. Would Bam fair better than Kane, personally on present form i think yes. But then it's academic, he's not in the squad. I do think he's a better option than the predictable selections of Calvert L and Rashford, others will no doubt disagree as you're entitled to.
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Ha, sorry – I think it was my comment that turned this article into an episode of Braveheart (love the analogy!). Er, yes, Bamford vs Kane - now where were we...
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i think everyone agreed bamford is much better.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
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Erm. I believe I’m saying exactly the same thing
posted on 21/6/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Super Dooper Liam Cooper (U14008)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
Yeah, Scotland have players like McGinn, with fire in the belly and passion for their country, which has got them to
... Oh. 1 major tournament in 25 years?
Same with Wales. Why would you want to be like these countries? They might do okay at these tournaments, but that is only in relation to the fact that they very rarely get this far.
The issue isn't with a lack of passion or fight, it's with tactical setup and awareness.
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Do you think tactical setup and awareness create passion?
All the skill in the world is never enough without the will and desire.
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No, I think what creates passion in the manner of Wales and Scotland is the fact that just being at this tournament is an achievement for you. It's a fairytale, similar to Huddersfield's sojourn in the Premier League. For England, it is to be expected, because we have bigger and better footballing infrastructure.
Passion and drive wouldn't have made our players any more capable of unpicking your low block. That's come down to a lack of tactical awareness in the way we setup against a 5 vs a 4.
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But isn’t it that same passion and drive that got us there in the first place? It’s a fairytale only in the sense that it’s been so long since we’ve been at a finals but that’s about it really.
Not sure I agree that more desire and passion wouldn’t have got through us. Even with the tactics employed in all honesty. The players just didn’t look as though they cared that much to me.
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It's also the same passion and drive that hasn't got you to a major tournament in 25 years. Why should we want to emulate that? A good result on the day for Scotland, but it still leaves you on the brink of elimination, whereas it all but confirms our place through. It shows the levels of the two nations that we can be disappointed at that, whereas you can be overjoyed.
We set up the wrong way to operate against your defense. Nothing to do with fight, or passion, or "freedom" or whatever. Had Southgate opted to change our setup to better counter yours then we would have won, I have no doubt. But some players being off it, and poor tactical setup, led to a situation where you got a point. Congratulations.
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But it wasn’t just drive and passion that got us here. We have a better team. It’s a mix that’s needed and none more evidently displayed than the fact you have great players as individuals, but without a positive tactical approach and also on Friday what certainly appeared a massive lack of desire and passion.
And thanks for the congratulations. Equally you did well to get a point from a side that only has passion and desire.
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If it comes down to ability, England win comfortably, which I am sure you can see. You have one player who gets in our 11, whereas we probably have players in every other position that get into yours that we haven't taken. Scotland's tactics frustrated us. We did well against Croatia, struggled with the occassion against Scotland.
The point stated by someone else, was that England struggled because we lack the passion that Scotland have. I merely pointed out that those attributes have hardly helped Scotland and Wales in past tournaments.
Will be interesting to see which home nation gets furthest.
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Erm. I believe I’m saying exactly the same thing
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Good that we agree then
posted on 21/6/21
Indeed.
I think Braveheart (Mel Gibson anyway) lost in the end too
posted on 21/6/21
Ginge, I reiterate, you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with drive and passion, Adams, in previous tournaments would probably have been cheering England on because he is English, Dykes was probably hoping to get into the Australian squad for the next world cup.
They wanted to win a football match as all footballers do. Driven by professional pride not nationalism or passion driven by their love of the thistle.
Of course English players have that same professional pride but unfortunately Southgate is very limited as a coach.
posted on 21/6/21
Wonder what the impact of Mount and Chilwell isolating on the England team for tomorrow.
posted on 22/6/21
The Mount/Chilwell stuff is a nonsense. They may have got all buddies with Gilmour at the end, but they then would have gone back to the same changing room and got close up to team mates. As Gilmour would have done in the Scots changing rooms.
It's all much ado about nothing for show. So much contradiction and nonsense with the Covid precautions (not just in the footy).
posted on 22/6/21
comment by Elsbels - Just Some Guy (U21658)
posted 19 hours, 18 minutes ago
Ginge, I reiterate, you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with drive and passion, Adams, in previous tournaments would probably have been cheering England on because he is English, Dykes was probably hoping to get into the Australian squad for the next world cup.
They wanted to win a football match as all footballers do. Driven by professional pride not nationalism or passion driven by their love of the thistle.
Of course English players have that same professional pride but unfortunately Southgate is very limited as a coach.
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You’re entitled to your view as utter pisssh as it is
posted on 22/6/21
"nothing to do with drive and passion"
"will and desire"
"Pride"
I'd think they can all be put together and used in anything anyone does, that's if their loyalty to the cause is true!..
Any footballer,(sports person!)that doesn't have them isn't true to his/her club/cause, but these days its a case off money and who pays the most, back in the day players played for their shirt and showed more loyalty to it, these days its fall over and look at your bank statements!..
National Pride is something that brings the most out off most, let it be England, Scotland, Wales or Macedonia the players have their shirt and a passion to defend it the bast they can!..
posted on 22/6/21
comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 minute ago
"nothing to do with drive and passion"
"will and desire"
"Pride"
I'd think they can all be put together and used in anything anyone does, that's if their loyalty to the cause is true!..
Any footballer,(sports person!)that doesn't have them isn't true to his/her club/cause, but these days its a case off money and who pays the most, back in the day players played for their shirt and showed more loyalty to it, these days its fall over and look at your bank statements!..
National Pride is something that brings the most out off most, let it be England, Scotland, Wales or Macedonia the players have their shirt and a passion to defend it the bast they can!..
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Agreed although I think that alludes more to club than country.
Players undoubtedly earn more being of international standard but the real money is at club level.
posted on 22/6/21
Having national pride (which the England players will have anyway) is fine, but it comes second/third to tactical setup and raw ability. You can have all the national pride you want, but if you weren't good enough to begin with then you still won't be.
posted on 22/6/21
I think I should have left the National out off that, but I've been pushing more towards the will and desire, pride, drive and passion and everything else that its being called, because I think all players have it but some don't show it, those that ain't as good as the top players usually show more but because they're not as good they're known as the gave it his best or the chicken with no head!..
The National thing is Country which usually makes players try that bit harder, that's why I mentioned Macedonia because even the smaller Lands will try that bit harder!..
In the Champioship people thinking its Leeds so we have to try harder, us in the Premiership against the so called big boys thinking we should try harder, to me every game is the same and the players should give their all every time!..
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