His priority are the people that pay him, this is a job. He may prefer playing for his country and take great pride in it but unfortunately that comes second to his employer. All for allowing players opportunities to play for their country but when it becomes a problem that could effect his ability to play a huge chunk of games then the player has to reconsider IMO.
I read that Messi specifically asked for Argentina games to be a priority over PSG when signing his contract. That’s fine if PSG agree to it but if it’s never discussed then it should always be expected that club football comes first.
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posted 11 hours, 22 minutes ago
You know my feelings on South American players..
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Why is that I keep being proved right?
Not really about being South American is it? European countries don’t have the same quarantine rules so we have no idea which players would feel the same if they had to quarantine after playing for their country. I’d imagined there are plenty of Europeans that feel the same as Cavani.
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posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
His priority are the people that pay him, this is a job. He may prefer playing for his country and take great pride in it but unfortunately that comes second to his employer. All for allowing players opportunities to play for their country but when it becomes a problem that could effect his ability to play a huge chunk of games then the player has to reconsider IMO.
I read that Messi specifically asked for Argentina games to be a priority over PSG when signing his contract. That’s fine if PSG agree to it but if it’s never discussed then it should always be expected that club football comes first.
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You are mistaking his priority with your priority. If the stories are true and he is intending on travelling to play for his country, then clearly his priority is his country, irrespective of what you think it should be. Representing your country is an honour for the majority of footballers and players have always been able to do that when they are called up.
Cavani has only been with us for 1 year. It's not like he has a long affiliation with the club. On the flip side he has been representing his country for the last 13 years.
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But surely he understands that United are his employers and who he has to prioritise. The quarantine rules are unfortunate but all players must be aware that going away will have a big effect on their ability to play for their club. It’s nice that he cares about playing for his country but if he’s going to possibly miss a quarter of a season quarantining then he has to understand what is his priority.
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I think its you that is failing to understand his priority
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So we should just accept it and be happy with a player who would rather miss a huge chunk of the season than play for the club who pay him a huge wage
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We as a club or we as fans? The club should and will do what they can to ensure Cavani doesn't travel. But I don't see how the club can be upset or surprised. He's racked up 123 appearances for his country whilst playing in Europe. I won't be upset with Cavani for being the person that he's always been and living by his own moral compass.
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Morals?
In football?
Baghahahahahahahahaha!
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Tell me that you don't know anything about Cavani without telling me that you don't know anything about Cavani.
If he's going to miss 6 weeks of the season then Uruguay should have to cover his wages or he doesn't go. Simple as that.
It’s not about my priority, football is a job, United pay him. Therefor his priority is to play for the people that pay his living not what he prefers and is honoured doing. How long he’s been at the club is completely irrelevant, unless he stated that his international football has to be his priority then club football should and that apply to any player however long they’ve been at a club.
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
He’s not going to tarnish his whole international career at this late stage.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
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His priority, may be, to not tarnish a nigh on 20 year international career for a few premier league games for a club that begged him to stay. And it might be his preference as well.
How is it tarnished? It’s out of his hands, the government have said they can’t play. Has this ruling also tarnished the career of every other South American who can’t travel?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 minutes ago
It’s not about my priority, football is a job, United pay him. Therefor his priority is to play for the people that pay his living not what he prefers and is honoured doing. How long he’s been at the club is completely irrelevant, unless he stated that his international football has to be his priority then club football should and that apply to any player however long they’ve been at a club.
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You don't get to choose what his priority is FFS. Have you heard yourself? If he intends to travel then his priority is clearly to play for his country. That's not even up for debate. You don't have to like that decision, but its how it is. And clubs have always released players for international football. It is something that the club should have thought about when offering him a new contract. SA and African players are always a bit of a risk because of the timings of their international tournaments and the amount/distance of travelling that they have to do. COVID only serves to complicate that further. If the club haven't factored these things in when we have extended his contract then that is negligent.
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posted 45 minutes ago
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
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Huh? When did I say working was his priority?
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posted 37 minutes ago
How is it tarnished? It’s out of his hands, the government have said they can’t play. Has this ruling also tarnished the career of every other South American who can’t travel?
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The government have said that he can't play? I don't think that they have. Pretty sure it is the PL that has made the decision not to release the players as they would have to quarantine.
Because that’s how the capitalist world works. If he doesn’t want it that way then he shouldn’t be expected to be paid. Why should it just be the club that has to factor covid in and not the employees? Like I said, clubs will try and accommodate players wishes to play for their country as it’s obviously very important for many but when it has this much of an effect on their ability to play for the people that pay your living then you have to reassess things. This is why Messi specifically requested to PSG that Argentina is his priority when signing his contract, had he not then he would be expected to prioritise PSG.
No the government backed the PLs decision. It was said that Boris himself stated the clubs are the players priority.
😂😂
You got a laugh at the hypocrisy of some folk.
Rashford plays for England and misses the start due to surgery, surgery he could have had early and turned out for the club who pay his wages. Yet we get a huge defence of honour of playing for country etc etc. A player who is young enough to partake in future tournaments
Now we have a foreign bloke wishing to have the honour of representing his country at the latter stages of his career and folk are all about who pays his wages.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
No the government backed the PLs decision. It was said that Boris himself stated the clubs are the players priority.
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That isn't the same as the government saying he can't play.
My understanding is that FIFA asked for players to be exempt from quarantining after travelling, but Boris rejected it. I think you are getting confused.
Yea the government rejected FIFAs proposal and backed the PL and now I’m pretty sure other major leagues are doing the same.
Look I understand what you’re saying, he clearly cares far more for Uruguay than United and rightly so but he signed a contract to represent United and therefor should prioritise them over playing for his country. Covid has complicated things and I hope players, clubs and countries can come to some sort of middle ground but potentially missing weeks of football to represent you country for a handful of games just doesn’t seem right.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yea the government rejected FIFAs proposal and backed the PL and now I’m pretty sure other major leagues are doing the same.
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But that isn't the government saying he can't travel. They can't stop him from travelling. And I am not sure that they have backed the PL at all.
The PL and FA have spoken with the government and it appears that they, like FIFA, asked for the players to be exempt from having to quarantine. But the government hasn't granted it.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Look I understand what you’re saying, he clearly cares far more for Uruguay than United and rightly so but he signed a contract to represent United and therefor should prioritise them over playing for his country.
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You think he should prioritise club over country. I get that. But that doesn't make it HIS priority. He makes his own mind up. He clearly loves his country and representing it. We knew that when we signed him.
It’s not about whether he should or not, that’s just what he has to do and would have agreed to that when he signed the contract. If he didn’t then he should have done what Messi specifically asked for in his.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
It’s not about whether he should or not, that’s just what he has to do and would have agreed to that when he signed the contract. If he didn’t then he should have done what Messi specifically asked for in his.
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Clubs are not allowed to stop a player from going to represent their country unless it is outside the specified windows for games. And the club and player cannot make an agreement to say otherwise.
Whether the PL can legally stop Cavani from travelling/playing I am not sure. Not by my understanding, but I could be wrong.
I meant to add that Cavani doesn't need to have anything written into his contract to say that he can be released for international games, as that is just a standard.
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posted on 27/8/21
His priority are the people that pay him, this is a job. He may prefer playing for his country and take great pride in it but unfortunately that comes second to his employer. All for allowing players opportunities to play for their country but when it becomes a problem that could effect his ability to play a huge chunk of games then the player has to reconsider IMO.
I read that Messi specifically asked for Argentina games to be a priority over PSG when signing his contract. That’s fine if PSG agree to it but if it’s never discussed then it should always be expected that club football comes first.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by Robb - McFan #1 (U22311)
posted 11 hours, 22 minutes ago
You know my feelings on South American players..
Oops, logged into wrong account 😬
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😉
Why is that I keep being proved right?
posted on 27/8/21
Not really about being South American is it? European countries don’t have the same quarantine rules so we have no idea which players would feel the same if they had to quarantine after playing for their country. I’d imagined there are plenty of Europeans that feel the same as Cavani.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
His priority are the people that pay him, this is a job. He may prefer playing for his country and take great pride in it but unfortunately that comes second to his employer. All for allowing players opportunities to play for their country but when it becomes a problem that could effect his ability to play a huge chunk of games then the player has to reconsider IMO.
I read that Messi specifically asked for Argentina games to be a priority over PSG when signing his contract. That’s fine if PSG agree to it but if it’s never discussed then it should always be expected that club football comes first.
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You are mistaking his priority with your priority. If the stories are true and he is intending on travelling to play for his country, then clearly his priority is his country, irrespective of what you think it should be. Representing your country is an honour for the majority of footballers and players have always been able to do that when they are called up.
Cavani has only been with us for 1 year. It's not like he has a long affiliation with the club. On the flip side he has been representing his country for the last 13 years.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 18 minutes ago
But surely he understands that United are his employers and who he has to prioritise. The quarantine rules are unfortunate but all players must be aware that going away will have a big effect on their ability to play for their club. It’s nice that he cares about playing for his country but if he’s going to possibly miss a quarter of a season quarantining then he has to understand what is his priority.
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I think its you that is failing to understand his priority
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So we should just accept it and be happy with a player who would rather miss a huge chunk of the season than play for the club who pay him a huge wage
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We as a club or we as fans? The club should and will do what they can to ensure Cavani doesn't travel. But I don't see how the club can be upset or surprised. He's racked up 123 appearances for his country whilst playing in Europe. I won't be upset with Cavani for being the person that he's always been and living by his own moral compass.
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Morals?
In football?
Baghahahahahahahahaha!
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Tell me that you don't know anything about Cavani without telling me that you don't know anything about Cavani.
posted on 27/8/21
If he's going to miss 6 weeks of the season then Uruguay should have to cover his wages or he doesn't go. Simple as that.
posted on 27/8/21
It’s not about my priority, football is a job, United pay him. Therefor his priority is to play for the people that pay his living not what he prefers and is honoured doing. How long he’s been at the club is completely irrelevant, unless he stated that his international football has to be his priority then club football should and that apply to any player however long they’ve been at a club.
posted on 27/8/21
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
posted on 27/8/21
He’s not going to tarnish his whole international career at this late stage.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
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His priority, may be, to not tarnish a nigh on 20 year international career for a few premier league games for a club that begged him to stay. And it might be his preference as well.
posted on 27/8/21
How is it tarnished? It’s out of his hands, the government have said they can’t play. Has this ruling also tarnished the career of every other South American who can’t travel?
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 minutes ago
It’s not about my priority, football is a job, United pay him. Therefor his priority is to play for the people that pay his living not what he prefers and is honoured doing. How long he’s been at the club is completely irrelevant, unless he stated that his international football has to be his priority then club football should and that apply to any player however long they’ve been at a club.
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You don't get to choose what his priority is FFS. Have you heard yourself? If he intends to travel then his priority is clearly to play for his country. That's not even up for debate. You don't have to like that decision, but its how it is. And clubs have always released players for international football. It is something that the club should have thought about when offering him a new contract. SA and African players are always a bit of a risk because of the timings of their international tournaments and the amount/distance of travelling that they have to do. COVID only serves to complicate that further. If the club haven't factored these things in when we have extended his contract then that is negligent.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 45 minutes ago
You’re confusing preference with priority. Most of us have a preference to working but that doesn’t make it our priority.
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Huh? When did I say working was his priority?
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 minutes ago
How is it tarnished? It’s out of his hands, the government have said they can’t play. Has this ruling also tarnished the career of every other South American who can’t travel?
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The government have said that he can't play? I don't think that they have. Pretty sure it is the PL that has made the decision not to release the players as they would have to quarantine.
posted on 27/8/21
Because that’s how the capitalist world works. If he doesn’t want it that way then he shouldn’t be expected to be paid. Why should it just be the club that has to factor covid in and not the employees? Like I said, clubs will try and accommodate players wishes to play for their country as it’s obviously very important for many but when it has this much of an effect on their ability to play for the people that pay your living then you have to reassess things. This is why Messi specifically requested to PSG that Argentina is his priority when signing his contract, had he not then he would be expected to prioritise PSG.
posted on 27/8/21
No the government backed the PLs decision. It was said that Boris himself stated the clubs are the players priority.
posted on 27/8/21
😂😂
You got a laugh at the hypocrisy of some folk.
Rashford plays for England and misses the start due to surgery, surgery he could have had early and turned out for the club who pay his wages. Yet we get a huge defence of honour of playing for country etc etc. A player who is young enough to partake in future tournaments
Now we have a foreign bloke wishing to have the honour of representing his country at the latter stages of his career and folk are all about who pays his wages.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
No the government backed the PLs decision. It was said that Boris himself stated the clubs are the players priority.
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That isn't the same as the government saying he can't play.
My understanding is that FIFA asked for players to be exempt from quarantining after travelling, but Boris rejected it. I think you are getting confused.
posted on 27/8/21
Yea the government rejected FIFAs proposal and backed the PL and now I’m pretty sure other major leagues are doing the same.
posted on 27/8/21
Look I understand what you’re saying, he clearly cares far more for Uruguay than United and rightly so but he signed a contract to represent United and therefor should prioritise them over playing for his country. Covid has complicated things and I hope players, clubs and countries can come to some sort of middle ground but potentially missing weeks of football to represent you country for a handful of games just doesn’t seem right.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yea the government rejected FIFAs proposal and backed the PL and now I’m pretty sure other major leagues are doing the same.
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But that isn't the government saying he can't travel. They can't stop him from travelling. And I am not sure that they have backed the PL at all.
The PL and FA have spoken with the government and it appears that they, like FIFA, asked for the players to be exempt from having to quarantine. But the government hasn't granted it.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Look I understand what you’re saying, he clearly cares far more for Uruguay than United and rightly so but he signed a contract to represent United and therefor should prioritise them over playing for his country.
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You think he should prioritise club over country. I get that. But that doesn't make it HIS priority. He makes his own mind up. He clearly loves his country and representing it. We knew that when we signed him.
posted on 27/8/21
It’s not about whether he should or not, that’s just what he has to do and would have agreed to that when he signed the contract. If he didn’t then he should have done what Messi specifically asked for in his.
posted on 27/8/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
It’s not about whether he should or not, that’s just what he has to do and would have agreed to that when he signed the contract. If he didn’t then he should have done what Messi specifically asked for in his.
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Clubs are not allowed to stop a player from going to represent their country unless it is outside the specified windows for games. And the club and player cannot make an agreement to say otherwise.
Whether the PL can legally stop Cavani from travelling/playing I am not sure. Not by my understanding, but I could be wrong.
posted on 27/8/21
I meant to add that Cavani doesn't need to have anything written into his contract to say that he can be released for international games, as that is just a standard.
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