If the armband isn't important, then no reason to not take it off him.
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke-Penited (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
You want an intelligent, consistent, cool-headed guy who works and trains hard and behaves off the pitch.
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So we appointed someone who fights police
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yes, but he fought them in a very cool-headed fashion, with a series of crisp, clean, precise jabs, none of those wild haymakers you seen from drunks on youtube videos
o captain! my captain!
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 4 minutes ago
irrelevant really. it's a team game
Under SAF, for example, there were usually ten captains on the pitch (and one uber-captain when Keane was there).
they were most often players with strength of character, a preparedness to take on personal responsibility, the wit to exploit their courage as well as possessing team intelligence.
Only a handful of this current squad have that.
Ronaldo's limited influence will be in individual moments of athleticism and technical intelligence NOT in any great team intelligence - but that's okay he's not there for that reason. He's is no longer a season defining player, and is not going to turn this squad into a league winning one - there are too many weaknesses in shape and in key positions - but he will have some very positive impacts.
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A sane post!
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 4 minutes ago
irrelevant really. it's a team game
Under SAF, for example, there were usually ten captains on the pitch (and one uber-captain when Keane was there).
they were most often players with strength of character, a preparedness to take on personal responsibility, the wit to exploit their courage as well as possessing team intelligence.
Only a handful of this current squad have that.
Ronaldo's limited influence will be in individual moments of athleticism and technical intelligence NOT in any great team intelligence - but that's okay he's not there for that reason. He's is no longer a season defining player, and is not going to turn this squad into a league winning one - there are too many weaknesses in shape and in key positions - but he will have some very positive impacts.
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A sane post!
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The meds kick in around 11am
The captain is usually the one who talks to the refs. Ronaldo or Bruno would be in the ref's ear more when things are going against us (like City making 30 fouls without booking).
Maguire is the captain of Man United. End of.
To sack him and give it directly to a new face in the squad who most of the current players probably don't even know defeats the whole object of being a leader of a group of people.
Maguire will also almost play every game this season if he stays fit in both the PL and the CL
Ronaldo certainly won't.
Tricky choice this. Give the armband to someone with an incredibly bloated ego and notion of self-importance, or give it to Cristiano Ronaldo.
Maguire will surely retain the armband though. To many Bruno was the better choice, but they still went with Mags.
No. Captain and penalty taker should remain the same.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 minutes ago
Maguire will surely retain the armband though. To many Bruno was the better choice, but they still went with Mags.
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They wanted someone who officials would fear, the refs will have noted the Hellenic destroyers antics.
They wanted someone who officials would fear,
……..
So Phil Jones for the captaincy?
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall. If there's one positive we can expect from it, it's the output you get from his extraordinarily intense ego. Team success feels like a means to an end for him. He's a net positive if his contribution is big enough but there can be trade-offs in terms of having one superstar above all the others and one ego that's the size of all the others put together. From that point of view, and if we want to get the most out of his output and his individual example, the more we can counterbalance the ego by asserting team of individual, the better. Maguire to me seems to embody that kind of leadership and it would be madness to strip him of the captaincy.
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
this is a veryinteresting topic
there are solid arguements for keeping maguire as captain and also for replacing him with cr7
my instinct screamed that cr7 should be captain given is legendary status and the optics of having utd led by cr7. He sets the standards, to fan, opposition, and the players around him. Maguire as never had that star status in my eyes.
Having said this, I also feel leaving maguire as captain is also very good for continuity. While ronaldo has a stronger bond with fans and opposition, I think maguire might have that bond with the current utd players. No need to undermine him by stripping him of the captaincy even if we all know cr7 is the greatest.
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall.
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I don't think he should be at the club, for some of the reasons you touched on yesterday.
As for even thinking about making him captain, .
Some fans really need to keep themselves in check!
This would just be flat out stupid and won't happen.
I'm more interested to see if Ole has the balls to manager Ronaldo's minutes. Like Bruno he will want to play every minute of every game. He cannot and should not. Good luck telling him that though...
Don't think it matters. Maguire has the armband when he plays.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 16 minutes ago
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall.
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I don't think he should be at the club, for some of the reasons you touched on yesterday.
As for even thinking about making him captain,.
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And I am with both of you on that.
I don't get the Maguire hate. He isn't Ferdinand and has a few off games like last week where he looks subpar. Buy 90% times he is a solid 7/10 player. We would be poor without Maguire in our line up. Lindelof on the other hand is a championship level player.
Maguire has four relegations on his CV. He shouldn’t captain Ronaldo and Varane.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
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Both of them are also leaders and winners. Maguire on the other hand has won nothing. It'll probably be weird for him captaining Ronaldo, looking up to him himself and knowing his superior status.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
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Both of them are also leaders and winners. Maguire on the other hand has won nothing. It'll probably be weird for him captaining Ronaldo, looking up to him himself and knowing his superior status.
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I would live with the idea that Maguire has won nothing. The problem is that he has four relegations on his CV. He can’t captain Ronaldo and Varane.
As said being captain has very little to do with what actually happens on the pitch bar talking to the ref. It's not even symbolic really, more administrative.
It's not cricket. You'd be mad to take the arm band off Maguire and give it to Ronaldo, it's going to be hard enough to keep that dressing room happy as it is, in fact I think Utd have possibly made a mistake. Ole pretty good at that side of things though I reckon.
Ole wouldn't strip Maguire of the armband for a player who will only be at the club for 2 years (providing his legs hold out). Ronaldo can do plenty of good without being the skipper. The players are likely to be a bit envious of him, so Ole will be careful not to throw his players under the bus for short-term satisfaction.
To win trophies you need multiple captains and that’s what we have
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posted on 29/8/21
If the armband isn't important, then no reason to not take it off him.
posted on 29/8/21
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke-Penited (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
You want an intelligent, consistent, cool-headed guy who works and trains hard and behaves off the pitch.
—
So we appointed someone who fights police
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes, but he fought them in a very cool-headed fashion, with a series of crisp, clean, precise jabs, none of those wild haymakers you seen from drunks on youtube videos
o captain! my captain!
posted on 29/8/21
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 4 minutes ago
irrelevant really. it's a team game
Under SAF, for example, there were usually ten captains on the pitch (and one uber-captain when Keane was there).
they were most often players with strength of character, a preparedness to take on personal responsibility, the wit to exploit their courage as well as possessing team intelligence.
Only a handful of this current squad have that.
Ronaldo's limited influence will be in individual moments of athleticism and technical intelligence NOT in any great team intelligence - but that's okay he's not there for that reason. He's is no longer a season defining player, and is not going to turn this squad into a league winning one - there are too many weaknesses in shape and in key positions - but he will have some very positive impacts.
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A sane post!
posted on 29/8/21
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 4 minutes ago
irrelevant really. it's a team game
Under SAF, for example, there were usually ten captains on the pitch (and one uber-captain when Keane was there).
they were most often players with strength of character, a preparedness to take on personal responsibility, the wit to exploit their courage as well as possessing team intelligence.
Only a handful of this current squad have that.
Ronaldo's limited influence will be in individual moments of athleticism and technical intelligence NOT in any great team intelligence - but that's okay he's not there for that reason. He's is no longer a season defining player, and is not going to turn this squad into a league winning one - there are too many weaknesses in shape and in key positions - but he will have some very positive impacts.
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A sane post!
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The meds kick in around 11am
posted on 29/8/21
The captain is usually the one who talks to the refs. Ronaldo or Bruno would be in the ref's ear more when things are going against us (like City making 30 fouls without booking).
posted on 29/8/21
Maguire is the captain of Man United. End of.
To sack him and give it directly to a new face in the squad who most of the current players probably don't even know defeats the whole object of being a leader of a group of people.
Maguire will also almost play every game this season if he stays fit in both the PL and the CL
Ronaldo certainly won't.
posted on 29/8/21
Tricky choice this. Give the armband to someone with an incredibly bloated ego and notion of self-importance, or give it to Cristiano Ronaldo.
posted on 29/8/21
Maguire will surely retain the armband though. To many Bruno was the better choice, but they still went with Mags.
posted on 29/8/21
No. Bad idea.
posted on 29/8/21
No. Captain and penalty taker should remain the same.
posted on 29/8/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 minutes ago
Maguire will surely retain the armband though. To many Bruno was the better choice, but they still went with Mags.
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They wanted someone who officials would fear, the refs will have noted the Hellenic destroyers antics.
posted on 29/8/21
They wanted someone who officials would fear,
……..
So Phil Jones for the captaincy?
posted on 29/8/21
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall. If there's one positive we can expect from it, it's the output you get from his extraordinarily intense ego. Team success feels like a means to an end for him. He's a net positive if his contribution is big enough but there can be trade-offs in terms of having one superstar above all the others and one ego that's the size of all the others put together. From that point of view, and if we want to get the most out of his output and his individual example, the more we can counterbalance the ego by asserting team of individual, the better. Maguire to me seems to embody that kind of leadership and it would be madness to strip him of the captaincy.
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
posted on 29/8/21
this is a veryinteresting topic
there are solid arguements for keeping maguire as captain and also for replacing him with cr7
my instinct screamed that cr7 should be captain given is legendary status and the optics of having utd led by cr7. He sets the standards, to fan, opposition, and the players around him. Maguire as never had that star status in my eyes.
Having said this, I also feel leaving maguire as captain is also very good for continuity. While ronaldo has a stronger bond with fans and opposition, I think maguire might have that bond with the current utd players. No need to undermine him by stripping him of the captaincy even if we all know cr7 is the greatest.
posted on 29/8/21
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall.
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I don't think he should be at the club, for some of the reasons you touched on yesterday.
As for even thinking about making him captain, .
posted on 29/8/21
Some fans really need to keep themselves in check!
This would just be flat out stupid and won't happen.
I'm more interested to see if Ole has the balls to manager Ronaldo's minutes. Like Bruno he will want to play every minute of every game. He cannot and should not. Good luck telling him that though...
posted on 29/8/21
Don't think it matters. Maguire has the armband when he plays.
posted on 29/8/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 16 minutes ago
As I wrote yesterday, I'm very sceptical about the Ronaldo transfer overall.
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I don't think he should be at the club, for some of the reasons you touched on yesterday.
As for even thinking about making him captain,.
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And I am with both of you on that.
posted on 29/8/21
I don't get the Maguire hate. He isn't Ferdinand and has a few off games like last week where he looks subpar. Buy 90% times he is a solid 7/10 player. We would be poor without Maguire in our line up. Lindelof on the other hand is a championship level player.
posted on 29/8/21
Maguire has four relegations on his CV. He shouldn’t captain Ronaldo and Varane.
posted on 29/8/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
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Both of them are also leaders and winners. Maguire on the other hand has won nothing. It'll probably be weird for him captaining Ronaldo, looking up to him himself and knowing his superior status.
posted on 29/8/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
By the way, Chiellini was captain of Juventus and Ramos captain of Real Madrid. Both clubs chose not to make him captain (in a context where he was younger and more mobile and there was no question of rationing the number of games he played).
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Both of them are also leaders and winners. Maguire on the other hand has won nothing. It'll probably be weird for him captaining Ronaldo, looking up to him himself and knowing his superior status.
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I would live with the idea that Maguire has won nothing. The problem is that he has four relegations on his CV. He can’t captain Ronaldo and Varane.
posted on 29/8/21
As said being captain has very little to do with what actually happens on the pitch bar talking to the ref. It's not even symbolic really, more administrative.
It's not cricket. You'd be mad to take the arm band off Maguire and give it to Ronaldo, it's going to be hard enough to keep that dressing room happy as it is, in fact I think Utd have possibly made a mistake. Ole pretty good at that side of things though I reckon.
posted on 29/8/21
Ole wouldn't strip Maguire of the armband for a player who will only be at the club for 2 years (providing his legs hold out). Ronaldo can do plenty of good without being the skipper. The players are likely to be a bit envious of him, so Ole will be careful not to throw his players under the bus for short-term satisfaction.
posted on 29/8/21
To win trophies you need multiple captains and that’s what we have
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