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posted on 29/8/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve always said we won’t be winning leagues and Champions Leagues with Ole in charge, but he has done well and in the transfer market, generally, and when he leaves the new coach will be walking into a much, much healthier Manchester United than Ole did.

I know people talk about a DM but if you can’t at least challenge for trophies with Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho, Rashford, Bruno, Varane etc then there’s something very wrong, imo.

If Ole doesn’t get us closer to the top and deep into the CL then he should go at the end of the season, it would have been nearly five years and 300 million spent and if not now, then when? Another year, two, three? Another 100 million, 150? 200?


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Did you watch that mess of performance from Fred?! And Pogba in Ole's favoured CM pivot?! Fred is the cause of more fires than he actually extinguishes !

That is why we get over run because none of the combos work in a two. Ole is clueless in that respect and may end up being his downfall.

We were so fortunate today but how many games have we seen like that under Ole? Too many! The main difference today was we didn't concede and then didn't have to start a salvage operation.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Plump CR7 (U22314)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
It maybe worth a punt trying to tempt Daniel Farke, Graham Potter or Hasenhüttl into a number two spot.

The false hope of becoming a United manager one day might lure them.
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You must be pretty stupid to think those managers would give up their managerial roles to play second fiddle to Ole!

It doesn't work like that.

Ole has assembled people he works well with. Phelan is very well known to him from his playing days and Carrick is a Utd legend and a trusted coach at the club.
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"he works well with"

Yeah it's working brilliantly!

Before calling somebody else stupid, think about your next sentence.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Plump CR7 (U22314)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
It maybe worth a punt trying to tempt Daniel Farke, Graham Potter or Hasenhüttl into a number two spot.

The false hope of becoming a United manager one day might lure them.
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You must be pretty stupid to think those managers would give up their managerial roles to play second fiddle to Ole!

It doesn't work like that.

Ole has assembled people he works well with. Phelan is very well known to him from his playing days and Carrick is a Utd legend and a trusted coach at the club.
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"he works well with"

Yeah it's working brilliantly!

Before calling somebody else stupid, think about your next sentence.
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I'm not Ole's biggest fan but he as manager must have a good working relationship with people before they are employed as a no. 2

Phelan is trusted by Ole.

What you are suggesting is stupid beyond reason. A manager doesn't give up their job to be no.2 to Ole or anyone. Their ambition is to excel as no.1 manager.


😂

posted on 29/8/21

It was a throw away comment. You're acting like I'm Ed and I've actually approached these managers.

Furthermore, stranger things have happened in football.

Phelan himself became a manager and now has returned to being an assistant.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
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Who?
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Conte.
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Conte would be the wrong type of appointment for us and another short sighted approach.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
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Who?
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Conte.
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Ugh

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
It was a throw away comment. You're acting like I'm Ed and I've actually approached these managers.

Furthermore, stranger things have happened in football.

Phelan himself became a manager and now has returned to being an assistant.
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It was a throwaway comment?

That's why I didn't take it seriously!

👍

Phelan made his name as a no.2.. don't think he was that good as a no.1, same as Carlos Queroz or even Steve McClaren, although the latter had a go. They were all no.2s first and either excelled and stayed in the role or gave the no.1 role a go and failed or had relative success.

All those you named are ambitious and want to make a name for themselves, definitely not as a 2 though!

posted on 29/8/21

Yeah possibly, but I was just answering the question. Conte is a manager that could win us the league.

posted on 29/8/21

I think Queiroz said he took the no2 job at utd with sights on succeeding Fergie. He wasn't in a job at the time though.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
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Who?
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Conte.
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Conte would be the wrong type of appointment for us and another short sighted approach.
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He will likely win you the league. Maybe it will be a short ish run at it but then you do what Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern etc do when a manager goes stale you move on and win again.

This obsession that managers have to be long term is bonkers.

posted on 29/8/21

Queiroz has made himself a decent manager at international level

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Who?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte would be the wrong type of appointment for us and another short sighted approach.
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He will likely win you the league. Maybe it will be a short ish run at it but then you do what Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern etc do when a manager goes stale you move on and win again.

This obsession that managers have to be long term is bonkers.
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As long as they don't make short term signings. That's the problem that can take years to fix.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Who?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte would be the wrong type of appointment for us and another short sighted approach.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He will likely win you the league. Maybe it will be a short ish run at it but then you do what Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern etc do when a manager goes stale you move on and win again.

This obsession that managers have to be long term is bonkers.
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As long as they don't make short term signings. That's the problem that can take years to fix.
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He won't need too, he probably only would need a wing back for his system (maybe not even that in 1 of your 1,000 attackers can adjust to WB like Moses and Asamoah did for him at previous clubs).

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)

What's more bizzare is there's a manager free and avaliable who could actually win United this league but the board are too stubborn/stupid to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Who?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Conte would be the wrong type of appointment for us and another short sighted approach.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He will likely win you the league. Maybe it will be a short ish run at it but then you do what Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern etc do when a manager goes stale you move on and win again.

This obsession that managers have to be long term is bonkers.
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It's not the manager that has to be long term. We've just recovered (but still not removed) from the short termism of Ed and the previous manger. That would be my issue with getting in Conte.

posted on 29/8/21

I don't even think Ole is that bad tactically really. He seems to set us up well in the bigger games. I think the main issue is in general skills such as coaching the team to pass better etc. We're just so slow at times and it's really frustrating seeing us play the ball to feet or behind when the proper ball is in front of a player to keep the momentum of a move.

posted on 29/8/21

The problem with Conte is that our squad is built around having wingers/wing forwards, but also a number 10 in Bruno. They can’t all coexist with the way he wants to have his team set up, so we’d have to ditch how we’ve gone about building our squad.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
The problem with Conte is that our squad is built around having wingers/wing forwards, but also a number 10 in Bruno. They can’t all coexist with the way he wants to have his team set up, so we’d have to ditch how we’ve gone about building our squad.

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Sounds like a typical managerial appointment for us then!

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 30 minutes ago
Queiroz has made himself a decent manager at international level
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He would never go back to being a 2 again though

posted on 29/8/21

I like how people saying Ole has been lucky like many other games when it was our first clean sheet in many games when in most of them the opposition expected goals was less than 1. You could say we have been really unlucky for months. Most unluckiest side to concede so many goals from so few chances.

posted on 29/8/21

We are due like 7 or 8 games like that.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
The problem with Conte is that our squad is built around having wingers/wing forwards, but also a number 10 in Bruno. They can’t all coexist with the way he wants to have his team set up, so we’d have to ditch how we’ve gone about building our squad.

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Sounds like a typical managerial appointment for us then!
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Yep, difference being Conte could probably make it work if he was allowed to sacrifice some big players and get a couple in more suited to what he wants.

I hope we don’t go near him, though. Would just be more functional football, and this time without exciting wide players.

posted on 29/8/21

Even after today we have conceded far more goals than expected in recent months.

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are due like 7 or 8 games like that.
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Hopefully that is that last of its kind!

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Plump CR7 (U22314)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Plump CR7 (U22314)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
It maybe worth a punt trying to tempt Daniel Farke, Graham Potter or Hasenhüttl into a number two spot.

The false hope of becoming a United manager one day might lure them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You must be pretty stupid to think those managers would give up their managerial roles to play second fiddle to Ole!

It doesn't work like that.

Ole has assembled people he works well with. Phelan is very well known to him from his playing days and Carrick is a Utd legend and a trusted coach at the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

"he works well with"

Yeah it's working brilliantly!

Before calling somebody else stupid, think about your next sentence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not Ole's biggest fan but he as manager must have a good working relationship with people before they are employed as a no. 2

Phelan is trusted by Ole.

What you are suggesting is stupid beyond reason. A manager doesn't give up their job to be no.2 to Ole or anyone. Their ambition is to excel as no.1 manager.


😂
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McClaren?

posted on 29/8/21

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 48 minutes ago
Even after today we have conceded far more goals than expected in recent months.
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The expectancy is obviously false then Hafi because I expect us to concede every time we play.

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