This is one of the biggest sharticles I've ever seen
AMN was pretty average in midfield. Tomi was class but facked.
Ps, lost control immediately- scored within 4 minutes
Partey ran the show in midfield by himself when he came on
You’ve Really not picked the best example to champion Niles in midfield. The midfield was much improved after that sub. Lokonga and Tomiyasu weren’t completely fit, so those subs and moving Niles to RB, who is better at RB than Cedric made sense. The move lead to us taking the lead
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 15 minutes ago
You’ve Really not picked the best example to champion Niles in midfield. The midfield was much improved after that sub. Lokonga and Tomiyasu weren’t completely fit, so those subs and moving Niles to RB, who is better at RB than Cedric made sense. The move lead to us taking the lead
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That the goal was coming anyway and had dumb dumb subbed right then we'd have had more. I have no issue with Tomiyasu coming off, the issue is that he came off for ESR and AMN (wrongly imo) to RB. What he should have done was use 3 subs. Partey/Lokonga, ESR/ODEGAARD and Tomiyasu/Cedric. Then we'd have seen out the game substantially more comfortably than we did, lucky it was Norwich.
You talk about the MF improvement like it was down to AMN being moved to RB as opposed to because Lokonga being replaced with Partey. When what you should be spotting is how much the potential of the Partey/Lokonga sub was shot to sh !t by Arteta moving AMN instead of using 3 subs and removing Odegaard with Tomi and bringing Soares on.
Ains tired out in midfield and was making errors. Moving him to RB was the right decision, where eventually he couldn't continue.
AMN did very well for his first game for months. He tired later on. I see the fact that for a while Arteta wanted to keep him on even while he was tiring as a positive. Something he took from Allrydce in how to manage a very promising youngster who frankly Arteta was wasting last season.
Amn doesn't have the passing range, technical skills to play in MF
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni #CLC (U1137)
posted 54 minutes ago
Ps, lost control immediately- scored within 4 minutes
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So what, you can't score a goal when not controlling MF??? Don't be silly DJ you know you can since teams done it to us for years before recent times when we usually can't control a MF for sh !t.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Ains was being superhuman in MF or Partey wasn't the man when he came on. I just saying AMN should have stayed where he was since Soares was there for a straight swap. And the fact he didn't is why firstly he came off injured shortly after and secondly, we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
It's not about Ains or Partey individually, it's about the potential power in the PAIRING that the manager is too feckin dumb to see and make even when the stage is perfectly set to do so. And how he makes his teams life twice as hard making today's kind of dumbass decision.
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Partey ran the show in midfield by himself when he came on
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Never said he didn't, just seeing and saying the show he ran would have looked way better and more convincing than 1-0 in the end if his supporting actor had been AMN because he'd stayed where he was instead of moving to RB.
You've gotten too used to losing, so desperate to see a win, you don't even care that it should have been by more so aren't seeking to question why it wasn't at all.
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 23 minutes ago
Ains tired out in midfield and was making errors. Moving him to RB was the right decision, where eventually he couldn't continue.
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The fat he eventually couldn't continue should tell you it was the wrong decision. If your position is he was too spent to stay in MF then you can't be saying it was right to move him to RB where being too spent to play MF he's now expected to sprint up and down the wing.
I'm of the mind Partey comes on with Ains staying where he was and now Ains ain't having to run quite so much becuase Partey's getting there where Lokonga wasn't. In my scenario Ains definitely ends up running less than he has to being moved RB in a Wengerball setup. Arteta might as well have just kicked him good and hard in the hamstring.
we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
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We had more chances after we went 1 up, better chances than before the goal as well.
We were struggling to create a good chance, so Arteta did the right thing and have a more offensive midfielder (Odegaard) in the 2.
Arteta probably didn't want to make 3 subs at once, and both Sambi and Tomi were cooked. Ains was on for another 20 after the subs, and contributed down the right without any issue.
No-one is going to think beating Norwich is a sign we "are back" or anything like that - but you seem to have taken great hurt from Arsenal winning. Enjoy a win and stop trying to make things fit your agenda. You look more and more like a Spurs fan hurting from Vieira giving you a good hammering today.
You see to be under this strange impression that AMN is the second coming of Vieira or something. He was nothing special in mf today.. as has been the case pretty much every time he has played there.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni #CLC (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
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We had more chances after we went 1 up, better chances than before the goal as well.
We were struggling to create a good chance, so Arteta did the right thing and have a more offensive midfielder (Odegaard) in the 2.
Arteta probably didn't want to make 3 subs at once, and both Sambi and Tomi were cooked. Ains was on for another 20 after the subs, and contributed down the right without any issue.
No-one is going to think beating Norwich is a sign we "are back" or anything like that - but you seem to have taken great hurt from Arsenal winning. Enjoy a win and stop trying to make things fit your agenda. You look more and more like a Spurs fan hurting from Vieira giving you a good hammering today.
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This. The OP is a ‘kin tw@
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
You see to be under this strange impression that AMN is the second coming of Vieira or something. He was nothing special in mf today.. as has been the case pretty much every time he has played there.
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Nah just under the same impression that I was last season which is that he's the perfect MF partner for Partey. Yes I believe that AMN will fully mature into a quality MF if left there but this is specifically about that Partnership, the potential in it and the fact that Areta has been too much of a dumbass to try it.
The chaos and all the different changes he made last season and never had the nouse to give these two a whirl??? Had we been playing great football all this time maybe that'd be ok but in this "trying everything" mess we've seen it definitely should have been tired in the past year. Only reason it wasn't was Arteta's petty "dummy spit and bench him all year because he questioned me" act with AMN.
I made it clear to all already that I'd not enjoy a win unless I saw fans still screaming for Arteta's head afterward because win or not he needs to be sacked. But I see some are too busy being happy about a poorly closed out 1-0 win at home to bloody Norwich. Winning yesterday changes very little overall. Only thing there to enjoy is the knowledge that the team is still comfortable playing Wengerball so Arteta's replacement will have seen that it's the way to go.
This. The OP is a ‘kin tw@
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That may well be so but it doesn't change the fact that I have been SPOT ON about Arteta from Day one. Seem to remember there being the same tone of responses as I'm getting here, when I told you all he was clueless, with a bad attitude that would rip the squad apart.
Yup got told I was wrong and called names then too. So all you all wanna make yourselves look stupid again this season, be my guest. I know better that to trust Arteta.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Amn doesn't have the passing range, technical skills to play in MF
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He was playing an awful lot of quick one touch ball in to the forwards for somebody with no technical skills. I get the feeling that you're also suggesting that to play in MF somebody HAS to have the passing range of Xhaka. They don't and more to the point "range" is picked up by playing/training there. His passing has improved at West Brom, yes he had some misplaced passes but so did everyone else on the pitch at some point. What I paid attention to was his CHOICE of pass each time (mostly the right choice), execution needs work and will improve with time left playing there. And as I said the more critical quick ball fed up front. Something our forwards have been starved of a good 2 years.
After watching how the forwards lapped up that ball and actually got after the game, I can't believe how many of you have jumped on to slate him and make out he never done sh !t all ,match then Partey waltzed on and won the game. Hardly Ains' fault that the forwards couldn't quite get the ball in the net before he was moved is it. Because it certainly wasn't for lack of quick incisive ground passes setting up attacks, he gave them PLENTY of those.
And Btw Odegaard and ESR in the same front four is a waste of one of the two players and always has been. They're both number 10s and both want the middle of the attack. So the sooner Arteta learns to just play one or the other instead of forcing on wide/deep, shoehorning both players into the side, the better. It's always been a bad idea especially with ESR being injury prone anyway. Guarantee with lose both for weeks at some point if Arteta doesn't stop playing the two together.
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posted on 11/9/21
This is one of the biggest sharticles I've ever seen
posted on 11/9/21
AMN was pretty average in midfield. Tomi was class but facked.
posted on 11/9/21
Ps, lost control immediately- scored within 4 minutes
posted on 11/9/21
Partey ran the show in midfield by himself when he came on
posted on 11/9/21
You’ve Really not picked the best example to champion Niles in midfield. The midfield was much improved after that sub. Lokonga and Tomiyasu weren’t completely fit, so those subs and moving Niles to RB, who is better at RB than Cedric made sense. The move lead to us taking the lead
posted on 11/9/21
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 15 minutes ago
You’ve Really not picked the best example to champion Niles in midfield. The midfield was much improved after that sub. Lokonga and Tomiyasu weren’t completely fit, so those subs and moving Niles to RB, who is better at RB than Cedric made sense. The move lead to us taking the lead
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That the goal was coming anyway and had dumb dumb subbed right then we'd have had more. I have no issue with Tomiyasu coming off, the issue is that he came off for ESR and AMN (wrongly imo) to RB. What he should have done was use 3 subs. Partey/Lokonga, ESR/ODEGAARD and Tomiyasu/Cedric. Then we'd have seen out the game substantially more comfortably than we did, lucky it was Norwich.
You talk about the MF improvement like it was down to AMN being moved to RB as opposed to because Lokonga being replaced with Partey. When what you should be spotting is how much the potential of the Partey/Lokonga sub was shot to sh !t by Arteta moving AMN instead of using 3 subs and removing Odegaard with Tomi and bringing Soares on.
posted on 11/9/21
Ains tired out in midfield and was making errors. Moving him to RB was the right decision, where eventually he couldn't continue.
posted on 11/9/21
AMN did very well for his first game for months. He tired later on. I see the fact that for a while Arteta wanted to keep him on even while he was tiring as a positive. Something he took from Allrydce in how to manage a very promising youngster who frankly Arteta was wasting last season.
posted on 11/9/21
Amn doesn't have the passing range, technical skills to play in MF
posted on 11/9/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni #CLC (U1137)
posted 54 minutes ago
Ps, lost control immediately- scored within 4 minutes
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So what, you can't score a goal when not controlling MF??? Don't be silly DJ you know you can since teams done it to us for years before recent times when we usually can't control a MF for sh !t.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Ains was being superhuman in MF or Partey wasn't the man when he came on. I just saying AMN should have stayed where he was since Soares was there for a straight swap. And the fact he didn't is why firstly he came off injured shortly after and secondly, we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
It's not about Ains or Partey individually, it's about the potential power in the PAIRING that the manager is too feckin dumb to see and make even when the stage is perfectly set to do so. And how he makes his teams life twice as hard making today's kind of dumbass decision.
posted on 11/9/21
comment by RonAlvinho (U6117)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Partey ran the show in midfield by himself when he came on
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Never said he didn't, just seeing and saying the show he ran would have looked way better and more convincing than 1-0 in the end if his supporting actor had been AMN because he'd stayed where he was instead of moving to RB.
You've gotten too used to losing, so desperate to see a win, you don't even care that it should have been by more so aren't seeking to question why it wasn't at all.
posted on 11/9/21
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 23 minutes ago
Ains tired out in midfield and was making errors. Moving him to RB was the right decision, where eventually he couldn't continue.
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The fat he eventually couldn't continue should tell you it was the wrong decision. If your position is he was too spent to stay in MF then you can't be saying it was right to move him to RB where being too spent to play MF he's now expected to sprint up and down the wing.
I'm of the mind Partey comes on with Ains staying where he was and now Ains ain't having to run quite so much becuase Partey's getting there where Lokonga wasn't. In my scenario Ains definitely ends up running less than he has to being moved RB in a Wengerball setup. Arteta might as well have just kicked him good and hard in the hamstring.
posted on 11/9/21
we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
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We had more chances after we went 1 up, better chances than before the goal as well.
We were struggling to create a good chance, so Arteta did the right thing and have a more offensive midfielder (Odegaard) in the 2.
Arteta probably didn't want to make 3 subs at once, and both Sambi and Tomi were cooked. Ains was on for another 20 after the subs, and contributed down the right without any issue.
No-one is going to think beating Norwich is a sign we "are back" or anything like that - but you seem to have taken great hurt from Arsenal winning. Enjoy a win and stop trying to make things fit your agenda. You look more and more like a Spurs fan hurting from Vieira giving you a good hammering today.
posted on 12/9/21
You see to be under this strange impression that AMN is the second coming of Vieira or something. He was nothing special in mf today.. as has been the case pretty much every time he has played there.
posted on 12/9/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni #CLC (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
we had to watch the last 5-10 mins only 1-0 up when we could and likely would have watched it 3.
====
We had more chances after we went 1 up, better chances than before the goal as well.
We were struggling to create a good chance, so Arteta did the right thing and have a more offensive midfielder (Odegaard) in the 2.
Arteta probably didn't want to make 3 subs at once, and both Sambi and Tomi were cooked. Ains was on for another 20 after the subs, and contributed down the right without any issue.
No-one is going to think beating Norwich is a sign we "are back" or anything like that - but you seem to have taken great hurt from Arsenal winning. Enjoy a win and stop trying to make things fit your agenda. You look more and more like a Spurs fan hurting from Vieira giving you a good hammering today.
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This. The OP is a ‘kin tw@
posted on 12/9/21
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
You see to be under this strange impression that AMN is the second coming of Vieira or something. He was nothing special in mf today.. as has been the case pretty much every time he has played there.
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Nah just under the same impression that I was last season which is that he's the perfect MF partner for Partey. Yes I believe that AMN will fully mature into a quality MF if left there but this is specifically about that Partnership, the potential in it and the fact that Areta has been too much of a dumbass to try it.
The chaos and all the different changes he made last season and never had the nouse to give these two a whirl??? Had we been playing great football all this time maybe that'd be ok but in this "trying everything" mess we've seen it definitely should have been tired in the past year. Only reason it wasn't was Arteta's petty "dummy spit and bench him all year because he questioned me" act with AMN.
I made it clear to all already that I'd not enjoy a win unless I saw fans still screaming for Arteta's head afterward because win or not he needs to be sacked. But I see some are too busy being happy about a poorly closed out 1-0 win at home to bloody Norwich. Winning yesterday changes very little overall. Only thing there to enjoy is the knowledge that the team is still comfortable playing Wengerball so Arteta's replacement will have seen that it's the way to go.
posted on 12/9/21
This. The OP is a ‘kin tw@
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That may well be so but it doesn't change the fact that I have been SPOT ON about Arteta from Day one. Seem to remember there being the same tone of responses as I'm getting here, when I told you all he was clueless, with a bad attitude that would rip the squad apart.
Yup got told I was wrong and called names then too. So all you all wanna make yourselves look stupid again this season, be my guest. I know better that to trust Arteta.
posted on 12/9/21
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Amn doesn't have the passing range, technical skills to play in MF
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He was playing an awful lot of quick one touch ball in to the forwards for somebody with no technical skills. I get the feeling that you're also suggesting that to play in MF somebody HAS to have the passing range of Xhaka. They don't and more to the point "range" is picked up by playing/training there. His passing has improved at West Brom, yes he had some misplaced passes but so did everyone else on the pitch at some point. What I paid attention to was his CHOICE of pass each time (mostly the right choice), execution needs work and will improve with time left playing there. And as I said the more critical quick ball fed up front. Something our forwards have been starved of a good 2 years.
After watching how the forwards lapped up that ball and actually got after the game, I can't believe how many of you have jumped on to slate him and make out he never done sh !t all ,match then Partey waltzed on and won the game. Hardly Ains' fault that the forwards couldn't quite get the ball in the net before he was moved is it. Because it certainly wasn't for lack of quick incisive ground passes setting up attacks, he gave them PLENTY of those.
posted on 12/9/21
And Btw Odegaard and ESR in the same front four is a waste of one of the two players and always has been. They're both number 10s and both want the middle of the attack. So the sooner Arteta learns to just play one or the other instead of forcing on wide/deep, shoehorning both players into the side, the better. It's always been a bad idea especially with ESR being injury prone anyway. Guarantee with lose both for weeks at some point if Arteta doesn't stop playing the two together.
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