It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
There would have been demands for Tierney to be dropped from next weekends roster but he's been saved by the international break.
Dreadful referee.
VAR currently wouldn’t even look at it for a yellow card would they?
Firstly, it is right that they let the game flow, that these small moments of contact that see a player crumple to the floor are now largely ignored.
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Unless it leads to timo Werner scoring
I have more problem with the foul on Foden. If we want to encourage players not to dive easily, the ref need to start giving freekick in those situations.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
The VAR implementation is good. The Foden foul was outside of the box and thus wasn’t a significant event.
VAR should, and always should, be used for significant errors. Not for non reckless free kicks or deciding corners or whatever. There’s a level of ‘letting stuff go’ that should be allowed in football.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
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Regarding the potential penalty on Foden (if it was deemed in the box), I think Martin Tyler said it right afterwards. One of those where you don't change the on-field decision because it isn't what they'd deem a "clear and obvious error".
I did actually think it was a foul when looking at it again, whether they should have advised that to the referee is a different story. If they did, he'd have probably changed it I imagine.
Milner should have got a red and so should have Bernardo later on when he hoiked one of our players while being on a yellow.
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
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*or the original attempted foul
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
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No, I wouldn't expect a penalty to be given if he was fouled originally.
The point is, Henderson fouled him initially, play continued with an advantage to City, which they then lost the ball because Milner tripped him, so it goes back to the original foul like it has done in every other case since that rule was implemented. It's not different just because it could have been something else and because he was unaffected. You can try and pull someone's shirt back and not affect them, it doesn't mean to say it's not a foul because of it.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
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Regarding the potential penalty on Foden (if it was deemed in the box), I think Martin Tyler said it right afterwards. One of those where you don't change the on-field decision because it isn't what they'd deem a "clear and obvious error".
I did actually think it was a foul when looking at it again, whether they should have advised that to the referee is a different story. If they did, he'd have probably changed it I imagine.
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This is exactly the point. Foden was tagged, may be not on purpose but it tripped him up and to his credit he tried to stay up and did get back to his feet. A player who is trying to do th eright thing, not trying to buy a cheap foul/pen and is clearly tripped and yet he still does not get the decision.
A ref, dodging the big decision, which he would easily take if that's on the half way line, and also failing to differentiate between a player going down too easily and an actual foul. Also check his position, he's 30 yards away
Talking of poor refereeing/VAR, how did Lucas not get awarded the goal for our game? It looked obvious it came off him last from one angle.
Didn’t think Henderson did foul him, even so though he was playing advantage as he’d got away from him. Even if he goes back to that foul, it doesn’t mean he can’t penalise the action from Milner.
If Henderson has been deemed as the original foul but an advantage was played then Milners trip becomes active and was a Yellow. The ref only blew his whistle after the Milner foul.
You can't ignore the second foul if it is a bookable offense which everyone knows it was. By the logic of some on here that only the Henderson foul can be considered and what happens after the so called advantage is played doesn't count is nuts.
What if Milner had broken the players leg or punched him. Are you saying that is ignored?
Come on, you know that's not right and the ref bottled it.
The ref bottled the first foul on Foden but VAR isn't there to intervene because initial contact was outside the box and Milner knew it.
The foul on Bernardo was an absolute joke, Tierney isn't fit to officiate in Sunday League after that.
The first foul was by Hendo anyway wasnt it?
Milner should have gone. The one on the edge of the area was a 50/50 decision for me. It seems like Foden slowed to a stop then initiated the contact himself. I'd have probably given a freekick but I can see why it wasn't given. If you give the freekick you also have to book him.
If he’d have slowed to a stop, he wouldn’t have still had the forward momentum to get up and try and keep playing like he did.
Think milner got away with it for sure. Ref also allowed Bernardo Silva to get away with a clear second yellow at the end.
The edge of the area/pen one i can understand why its ignored by VAR. from what i remember it was first a slight push side by side by milner and he kicked the back of his own leg maybe after a slight clip after the coming together ? The clip and push werent enough to send him down imo.
I mean the contact of the clip and push were minimal it was just unfortunate it meant he tripped himself up which put him down.
And probably why he tried to get up knowing he’d tripped over himself mainly?
As for the OP i agree, it does seem to be better though overall, i prefer it this way. But it probably result in more injuries and more controversial could have/should have been sent off.
And yes the standard of refereeing in this league is very poor for a league thats meant to be the best in the world. You wouldnt say we have the best refs in the world to match that status would uou?
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posted on 4/10/21
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
posted on 4/10/21
There would have been demands for Tierney to be dropped from next weekends roster but he's been saved by the international break.
Dreadful referee.
posted on 4/10/21
VAR currently wouldn’t even look at it for a yellow card would they?
posted on 4/10/21
Firstly, it is right that they let the game flow, that these small moments of contact that see a player crumple to the floor are now largely ignored.
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Unless it leads to timo Werner scoring
posted on 4/10/21
I have more problem with the foul on Foden. If we want to encourage players not to dive easily, the ref need to start giving freekick in those situations.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
posted on 4/10/21
The VAR implementation is good. The Foden foul was outside of the box and thus wasn’t a significant event.
VAR should, and always should, be used for significant errors. Not for non reckless free kicks or deciding corners or whatever. There’s a level of ‘letting stuff go’ that should be allowed in football.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
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Regarding the potential penalty on Foden (if it was deemed in the box), I think Martin Tyler said it right afterwards. One of those where you don't change the on-field decision because it isn't what they'd deem a "clear and obvious error".
I did actually think it was a foul when looking at it again, whether they should have advised that to the referee is a different story. If they did, he'd have probably changed it I imagine.
posted on 4/10/21
Milner should have got a red and so should have Bernardo later on when he hoiked one of our players while being on a yellow.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
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*or the original attempted foul
posted on 4/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 11 minutes ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
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Most likely.
VAR was mentioned shortly afterwards and they said that "VAR doesn't get involved in yellow card situations even if it could lead to a red" so nothing VAR could do about it.
Also I notice everyone is completely ignoring the blatent fouls Jesus got away with yesterday.
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Its not a foul if the player continues from Hendos push to then skip around Milner who brings him down. The player was unaffacted by Hendos efforts to foul him and continued. To take the foul back to that is weak if that is the case as it AGAIN avoids the big decision.
Imagine a scenario where Salah is skipping past players, gets tagged by one but keeps going and is then fouled in the box. Would you expect the penalty of the original attempted foul?
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No, I wouldn't expect a penalty to be given if he was fouled originally.
The point is, Henderson fouled him initially, play continued with an advantage to City, which they then lost the ball because Milner tripped him, so it goes back to the original foul like it has done in every other case since that rule was implemented. It's not different just because it could have been something else and because he was unaffected. You can try and pull someone's shirt back and not affect them, it doesn't mean to say it's not a foul because of it.
posted on 4/10/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
It might be because they gave the foul for the initial infringement by Henderson on the touchline rather than Milner's trip.
He was a tad fortunate not to have given a free kick/penalty away on Foden though as I thought that was a foul.
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Well exactly. Clipped his legs. Anywhere else on the pitch and they are happy to give a foul. In the area and he dodged the decisoin and because its not soo obvious its ignored by VAR. We have all seen players booked for these clipping of the legs fouls, which i have always thought of as harsh as often its not a deliberate foul. But again, its because its a big decision that the ref will often dodge it, fairly certain that his judgement will be backed by VAR unless its a really bad decision.
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Regarding the potential penalty on Foden (if it was deemed in the box), I think Martin Tyler said it right afterwards. One of those where you don't change the on-field decision because it isn't what they'd deem a "clear and obvious error".
I did actually think it was a foul when looking at it again, whether they should have advised that to the referee is a different story. If they did, he'd have probably changed it I imagine.
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This is exactly the point. Foden was tagged, may be not on purpose but it tripped him up and to his credit he tried to stay up and did get back to his feet. A player who is trying to do th eright thing, not trying to buy a cheap foul/pen and is clearly tripped and yet he still does not get the decision.
A ref, dodging the big decision, which he would easily take if that's on the half way line, and also failing to differentiate between a player going down too easily and an actual foul. Also check his position, he's 30 yards away
posted on 4/10/21
Talking of poor refereeing/VAR, how did Lucas not get awarded the goal for our game? It looked obvious it came off him last from one angle.
posted on 4/10/21
Didn’t think Henderson did foul him, even so though he was playing advantage as he’d got away from him. Even if he goes back to that foul, it doesn’t mean he can’t penalise the action from Milner.
posted on 4/10/21
If Henderson has been deemed as the original foul but an advantage was played then Milners trip becomes active and was a Yellow. The ref only blew his whistle after the Milner foul.
You can't ignore the second foul if it is a bookable offense which everyone knows it was. By the logic of some on here that only the Henderson foul can be considered and what happens after the so called advantage is played doesn't count is nuts.
What if Milner had broken the players leg or punched him. Are you saying that is ignored?
Come on, you know that's not right and the ref bottled it.
posted on 4/10/21
The ref bottled the first foul on Foden but VAR isn't there to intervene because initial contact was outside the box and Milner knew it.
The foul on Bernardo was an absolute joke, Tierney isn't fit to officiate in Sunday League after that.
posted on 4/10/21
The first foul was by Hendo anyway wasnt it?
posted on 4/10/21
Milner should have gone. The one on the edge of the area was a 50/50 decision for me. It seems like Foden slowed to a stop then initiated the contact himself. I'd have probably given a freekick but I can see why it wasn't given. If you give the freekick you also have to book him.
posted on 4/10/21
If he’d have slowed to a stop, he wouldn’t have still had the forward momentum to get up and try and keep playing like he did.
posted on 4/10/21
Think milner got away with it for sure. Ref also allowed Bernardo Silva to get away with a clear second yellow at the end.
The edge of the area/pen one i can understand why its ignored by VAR. from what i remember it was first a slight push side by side by milner and he kicked the back of his own leg maybe after a slight clip after the coming together ? The clip and push werent enough to send him down imo.
posted on 4/10/21
I mean the contact of the clip and push were minimal it was just unfortunate it meant he tripped himself up which put him down.
posted on 4/10/21
And probably why he tried to get up knowing he’d tripped over himself mainly?
posted on 4/10/21
As for the OP i agree, it does seem to be better though overall, i prefer it this way. But it probably result in more injuries and more controversial could have/should have been sent off.
And yes the standard of refereeing in this league is very poor for a league thats meant to be the best in the world. You wouldnt say we have the best refs in the world to match that status would uou?
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