Yep, this really should be us. It will only push us further down the pecking order, along with Pool and United
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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Agreed. That would be it for me.
The Toon's should be absolutely up in arms.
How the fk can some fans wish to be backed by that lot?
I’m not envious at all, I’m just utterly dismayed at English football.
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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There's a good series on BBC at the moment about the rise of the PL. You reap what you sow eventually and it will all come crashing down when it completely loses its soul. It pretty much has but they are still good at advertising it and people are idiots so it still works.
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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Agree
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Where's your moral fibre Fridgeboy? You've outlined exactly why a large percentage of the fan base wouldn't be happy with a Saudi take over.
Principles?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
Don’t just assume they’ll walk all over FFP
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They will probably dismember FFP, and throw it an acid bath I imagine. 🙂
Rafa should ditch Everton and go back if they plan to pump money in, Everton didnt back him with a penny after spunking 600m in 5 seasons under the other dross managers.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 20 minutes ago
Rafa should ditch Everton and go back if they plan to pump money in, Everton didnt back him with a penny after spunking 600m in 5 seasons under the other dross managers.
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They couldn't back him. FFP init.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 48 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Hand on heart, I am not envious. If it were Spurs, I’d be genuinely outraged and would join any protests against it. Some things are more important than football. This is not me being all high and mighty at all despite how it may seem.
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 8 minutes ago
Offer them Kane for 200 Mill.
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This is actually entirely possible. Middle Eastern wealth absolutely loves statement acquisitions and given Kane’s current status they might well target him as the elite player they can most likely bring to the club to signal their intent.
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sorry Kanes performances so far will have killed his transfer fee.
got to strike when the irons hot
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Where's your moral fibre Fridgeboy? You've outlined exactly why a large percentage of the fan base wouldn't be happy with a Saudi take over.
Principles?
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My moral fibre is there but so is my honesty. To blindly ignore the cold, hard truths is just naive. Most Newcastle fans right now are too busy dancing in the streets to consider whether they really should be.
This is what moral outrage has become; nothing more than a tokenistic tool to build one's digital profile. There'll be plenty of Newcastle fans online right now saying stuff like "I'm not sure how I feel about this" or "my club is a disgrace" because it reflects well on them. Social media has bred narcissists and virtue signallers the world over. They'll say they're outraged but it a couple of years they'll be singing songs of joy at the Gallowgate end when they start winning trophies and the outrage will be consigned to the shadows. You just watch. The only ones outraged will be opposing fans and that says a hell of a lot. When you stand to gain from a particular group, it becomes very hard to publicly scorn them.
comment by MourGONEho (U22347)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 48 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Hand on heart, I am not envious. If it were Spurs, I’d be genuinely outraged and would join any protests against it. Some things are more important than football. This is not me being all high and mighty at all despite how it may seem.
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This is admirable and as I’ve said earlier I do find the Saudi government particularly odious but would be interested in where exactly you would drawn the line. So say somehow the American state purchased Tottenham through a wealth fund would you be okay that because America has a lot more blood on its hands then Saudi Arabia does.
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
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You said you would turn the other cheek. You're quite happy to align yourself with Man City and what that club is. A lot of fans wouldn't be happy with that. There's a lot to be said about how a club is run. Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up. The Saudis are on a different planet when it comes to all that.
David Conn has been anti-City since the day of the takeover, many of his articles have been fact-checked and proved to be innacurate.
Plenty have issues with some of the UAEs practices, not many have issues with Mansour personally.
I think you’ve got the intentions completely wrong though. Newcastle’s ownership is aligned to PSGs model, it’s nothing like ours.
Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up
Ffs, your owner is a tax exile who tried to bankrupt the UK for his own greedy gain.
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
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You said you would turn the other cheek. You're quite happy to align yourself with Man City and what that club is. A lot of fans wouldn't be happy with that. There's a lot to be said about how a club is run. Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up. The Saudis are on a different planet when it comes to all that.
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I'm saying it's possible. I'm not saying I would. That's just me being honest. It's easy to sit there on your high horse and say you'd stand against it but it's not happening to Spurs is it?! Then and only then we'll get a true answer.
It's also the hypocrisy I can't stand. You'll be outraged and then jump in your car that runs on petrol and oil imported from Saudi Arabia.
Then there's the fact that US owners account for a large portion of the premier league too. They've committed many human rights violations throughout history. Would you consider them unsuitable using your rudimentary rule of what is an isn't acceptable?
Anyway, that wasn't really my point. My issue was really with the hypocrisy of fans that cry outrage and then enjoy the successful ride. It's really not for me to answer. Let City fans have their say or Newcastle fans in 5 years. They'll all tell you they've loved it and no human rights issues are going to get in the way of that. That's not me being harsh. That's just the reality whether you, me or anyone else like it or not.
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posted on 7/10/21
Yep, this really should be us. It will only push us further down the pecking order, along with Pool and United
posted on 7/10/21
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 10 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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Agreed. That would be it for me.
The Toon's should be absolutely up in arms.
How the fk can some fans wish to be backed by that lot?
posted on 7/10/21
I’m not envious at all, I’m just utterly dismayed at English football.
posted on 7/10/21
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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posted on 7/10/21
There's a good series on BBC at the moment about the rise of the PL. You reap what you sow eventually and it will all come crashing down when it completely loses its soul. It pretty much has but they are still good at advertising it and people are idiots so it still works.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Not even slightly envious, I’d be ashamed if my club had that ownership. In fact I can hand on heart say I’d stop supporting Spurs in the event of such ownership.
Some things are bigger than football.
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Agree
posted on 7/10/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Where's your moral fibre Fridgeboy? You've outlined exactly why a large percentage of the fan base wouldn't be happy with a Saudi take over.
Principles?
posted on 7/10/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
Don’t just assume they’ll walk all over FFP
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They will probably dismember FFP, and throw it an acid bath I imagine. 🙂
posted on 7/10/21
Rafa should ditch Everton and go back if they plan to pump money in, Everton didnt back him with a penny after spunking 600m in 5 seasons under the other dross managers.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 20 minutes ago
Rafa should ditch Everton and go back if they plan to pump money in, Everton didnt back him with a penny after spunking 600m in 5 seasons under the other dross managers.
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They couldn't back him. FFP init.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 48 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Hand on heart, I am not envious. If it were Spurs, I’d be genuinely outraged and would join any protests against it. Some things are more important than football. This is not me being all high and mighty at all despite how it may seem.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by ABC Jelly (U22709)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 8 minutes ago
Offer them Kane for 200 Mill.
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This is actually entirely possible. Middle Eastern wealth absolutely loves statement acquisitions and given Kane’s current status they might well target him as the elite player they can most likely bring to the club to signal their intent.
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sorry Kanes performances so far will have killed his transfer fee.
got to strike when the irons hot
posted on 7/10/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Where's your moral fibre Fridgeboy? You've outlined exactly why a large percentage of the fan base wouldn't be happy with a Saudi take over.
Principles?
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My moral fibre is there but so is my honesty. To blindly ignore the cold, hard truths is just naive. Most Newcastle fans right now are too busy dancing in the streets to consider whether they really should be.
This is what moral outrage has become; nothing more than a tokenistic tool to build one's digital profile. There'll be plenty of Newcastle fans online right now saying stuff like "I'm not sure how I feel about this" or "my club is a disgrace" because it reflects well on them. Social media has bred narcissists and virtue signallers the world over. They'll say they're outraged but it a couple of years they'll be singing songs of joy at the Gallowgate end when they start winning trophies and the outrage will be consigned to the shadows. You just watch. The only ones outraged will be opposing fans and that says a hell of a lot. When you stand to gain from a particular group, it becomes very hard to publicly scorn them.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by MourGONEho (U22347)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 48 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Hand on heart, I am not envious. If it were Spurs, I’d be genuinely outraged and would join any protests against it. Some things are more important than football. This is not me being all high and mighty at all despite how it may seem.
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This is admirable and as I’ve said earlier I do find the Saudi government particularly odious but would be interested in where exactly you would drawn the line. So say somehow the American state purchased Tottenham through a wealth fund would you be okay that because America has a lot more blood on its hands then Saudi Arabia does.
posted on 7/10/21
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
posted on 7/10/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
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You said you would turn the other cheek. You're quite happy to align yourself with Man City and what that club is. A lot of fans wouldn't be happy with that. There's a lot to be said about how a club is run. Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up. The Saudis are on a different planet when it comes to all that.
posted on 7/10/21
David Conn has been anti-City since the day of the takeover, many of his articles have been fact-checked and proved to be innacurate.
posted on 7/10/21
Plenty have issues with some of the UAEs practices, not many have issues with Mansour personally.
I think you’ve got the intentions completely wrong though. Newcastle’s ownership is aligned to PSGs model, it’s nothing like ours.
posted on 7/10/21
Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up
Ffs, your owner is a tax exile who tried to bankrupt the UK for his own greedy gain.
posted on 7/10/21
posted on 7/10/21
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posted on 7/10/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 39 minutes ago
It's all very easy to play the morally outraged card until the dream drops on your doorstep.
For Newcastle fans, this is their golden ticket after 15 years of utter misery so I can completely understand why they might conveniently ignore Saudi sponsored murders like Khashoggi amongst many other atrocities, and focus on what this deal brings to the club.
The part I find most troublesome about this and the City deal is that their motives are pretty transparent. There's no doubt that, like City, they'll take a holistic approach to this and create a brand built to entertain first and then be successful. The reason for that hierarchy is nothing more than a PR stunt to change the image of Saudi Arabia. No different to the Abu Dhabi Group at City or the Qatar World Cup. They want to change their image without changing policy. Brutal human rights violations will continue with little in the way of coverage but the public face of these states will be white smiles and entertainment.
It's all pretty damn gross but I can't sit here and pretend I wouldn't turn the other cheek if it made Spurs successful. That's not a great reflection on me but I wouldn't mind betting that I represent a large proportion of the fan base in that regard.
Right now, your anger at the deal reads like envy, whether you say it or not.
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Wow. You're actually saying football is bigger than all manner of atrocities.
This is why this country is becoming awful. It's depressing.
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Read it back sunshine. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about honesty. Go and ask how many Man City fans have an issue with Sheikh Mansour despite many human rights violations. My guess is hardly any. Why? Because they're winning.
I'm not saying I don't have an issue with the human rights violations of these owners and their states. I'm talking about how fans blindly ignore it if things go well on the pitch.
Read this https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
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You said you would turn the other cheek. You're quite happy to align yourself with Man City and what that club is. A lot of fans wouldn't be happy with that. There's a lot to be said about how a club is run. Ethics and values are massive part of a clubs make up. The Saudis are on a different planet when it comes to all that.
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I'm saying it's possible. I'm not saying I would. That's just me being honest. It's easy to sit there on your high horse and say you'd stand against it but it's not happening to Spurs is it?! Then and only then we'll get a true answer.
It's also the hypocrisy I can't stand. You'll be outraged and then jump in your car that runs on petrol and oil imported from Saudi Arabia.
Then there's the fact that US owners account for a large portion of the premier league too. They've committed many human rights violations throughout history. Would you consider them unsuitable using your rudimentary rule of what is an isn't acceptable?
Anyway, that wasn't really my point. My issue was really with the hypocrisy of fans that cry outrage and then enjoy the successful ride. It's really not for me to answer. Let City fans have their say or Newcastle fans in 5 years. They'll all tell you they've loved it and no human rights issues are going to get in the way of that. That's not me being harsh. That's just the reality whether you, me or anyone else like it or not.
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