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comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
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comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
The saddest stat is that 21% of all home games in the PL we’ve lost happened under Ole’s management
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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That’s because the majority of our games in the second half of the season under him have been meaningless. Always easier to win when the pressure is off.
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Of course. With every other manager he have had before Ole we have been challenging for the title in the final few weeks of the season. Silly me. I forgot.
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When you factor in time served and apply that context to my point, yes.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not getting Conte when we could was one of the biggest mistakes this club has made in recent years.
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Not if the club don't think he is the right answer.
For me he is too similar to Jose. I know you will come back and say that Jose was washed up, but he had recently won trophies at Chelsea (as Conte has recently won trophies). And Conte is the same age as Jose when he took over at United.
Some types of managers just don't suit certain clubs and I think that Conte is one of those in relation to United. Especially with our top heavy squad.
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We need more than anything a guy who can sort out defence and turn nearly men into winners. Conte is the best in the game at doing that and we won’t find a better option right now. Ten Hag is a popular option but imo he’d struggle at United to implement what he has at Ajax
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Wow, you really do have a huge boner for Conte. I just don't see it working out with Conte at United.
As for Ten Hag, I don't really know enough about him to give a real opinion other than he seems like a good fit. Why do you think that he would struggle to implement at United what he has at Ajax?
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The reason I’ve gotten so behind Conte is that he’s a bonafide world class coach and one of the very few coaches who could take us to a title when up against the three coaches in our three biggest rivals. It’s rare someone like that becomes available.
Regarding Ten Hag, he’s at the perfect club. Has a DoF that knows the game, has a set up from top to bottom which is very well cultivated from decades of experience and is at a club who win the title most seasons so doesn’t have to deal with the pressure of the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea possibly getting 90+ points in a season.
I do rate Ten Hag and would like him to manager United of course, but I just see (saw actually now 😔) Conte as far more of a guarantee (as much as guarantees go) of getting us back to the top. The Jose comparison is lazy as Jose was burnt out when he joined us - I couldn’t see it so I hold my hands up to that - but Conte is very much at his peak.
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I don't think that Jose comparison is lazy. They share a lot of similarities and Conte is at the same age as Jose was when he joined United. I mean, Jose had won the PL more recently when he took over at United than Conte has.
As for Ten Hag, I'd hope that any move would involve VDS, which could be a big part in why we are/may be unable to bring him in right now.
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The age bit is irrelevant though. What Jose went through at Chelsea and Real aged him hugely from a managerial perspective. Conte hasn’t gone through any of those issues (or at least as severe as Jose).
I’d be much more confident about Ten Hag if we could bring in VDS. Fingers crossed it happens.
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The age thing is irrelevant to an extent. But it also shows how quickly a managers stock can fall if they don't adapt to the changing face of football. Conte is in that age bracket now where his approach could start to look dated. That said, so is Ten Hag.
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Ole is 14 years older than Naglesmann 😹
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Quite amazing that he is in charge at such a big club at 34!
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
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I know. But not much in it really.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
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I know. But not much in it really.
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Closer to Moyes than Jose though
SAF - 59.67%
Jose - 58.33%
Ole - 54.88%
Moyes - 52.94%
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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That’s because the majority of our games in the second half of the season under him have been meaningless. Always easier to win when the pressure is off.
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Of course. With every other manager he have had before Ole we have been challenging for the title in the final few weeks of the season. Silly me. I forgot.
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When you factor in time served and apply that context to my point, yes.
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What?
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
Robb, I read an article not so long back that a manager lasts on average about 12 years at the very top after their first major trophy. Conte will be approaching the end of that peak now I would think?
Of course, he could do a Mumm-Ra Ferguson.
This board are making a mockery out of this club.
They're clinging on to Ole for dear life.
Ole has lost games with a margin higher than 2 goals a total of 15 times since he's been in charge. Jose 8 times, LVG and Moyes 5.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
Potter is the English Ten Hag and has proven it in a real league not just against a bunch of tulip farmers
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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And won nothing, sums him up.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
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I would love this to be true (even if it means Ole until the end of the season) but I just have too much doubt in the blokes running the show at the very top.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
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I would love this to be true (even if it means Ole until the end of the season) but I just have too much doubt in the blokes running the show at the very top.
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I am just hoping that Fletcher is having some kind of guiding hand in this.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
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We would need an attacking RB as well as a CDM. A number of players need to be gotten rid of. Also, no new manager is playing 3 strikers like this one does—they'll play a striker plus 2 creative wide players.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
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We would need an attacking RB as well as a CDM. A number of players need to be gotten rid of. Also, no new manager is playing 3 strikers like this one does—they'll play a striker plus 2 creative wide players.
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From what I have read, Ten Hag prefers a 433 formation. Assuming Cavani leave in the summer, that leaves Ronaldo as the middle man, with Mason as backup/getting games on the right. Then we have Martial (may leave), Rashford, Sancho, Diallo and perhaps Pellisti vying for the wide positions. Perhaps Elanga also.
Irrespective of who takes over, we need a top CDM and perhaps a RB is AWB can't improve his attacking play. I just think that the squad is better geared up to a Ten Hag type manager than a Conte.
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posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
posted on 8/11/21
The saddest stat is that 21% of all home games in the PL we’ve lost happened under Ole’s management
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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That’s because the majority of our games in the second half of the season under him have been meaningless. Always easier to win when the pressure is off.
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Of course. With every other manager he have had before Ole we have been challenging for the title in the final few weeks of the season. Silly me. I forgot.
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When you factor in time served and apply that context to my point, yes.
posted on 8/11/21
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not getting Conte when we could was one of the biggest mistakes this club has made in recent years.
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Not if the club don't think he is the right answer.
For me he is too similar to Jose. I know you will come back and say that Jose was washed up, but he had recently won trophies at Chelsea (as Conte has recently won trophies). And Conte is the same age as Jose when he took over at United.
Some types of managers just don't suit certain clubs and I think that Conte is one of those in relation to United. Especially with our top heavy squad.
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We need more than anything a guy who can sort out defence and turn nearly men into winners. Conte is the best in the game at doing that and we won’t find a better option right now. Ten Hag is a popular option but imo he’d struggle at United to implement what he has at Ajax
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Wow, you really do have a huge boner for Conte. I just don't see it working out with Conte at United.
As for Ten Hag, I don't really know enough about him to give a real opinion other than he seems like a good fit. Why do you think that he would struggle to implement at United what he has at Ajax?
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The reason I’ve gotten so behind Conte is that he’s a bonafide world class coach and one of the very few coaches who could take us to a title when up against the three coaches in our three biggest rivals. It’s rare someone like that becomes available.
Regarding Ten Hag, he’s at the perfect club. Has a DoF that knows the game, has a set up from top to bottom which is very well cultivated from decades of experience and is at a club who win the title most seasons so doesn’t have to deal with the pressure of the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea possibly getting 90+ points in a season.
I do rate Ten Hag and would like him to manager United of course, but I just see (saw actually now 😔) Conte as far more of a guarantee (as much as guarantees go) of getting us back to the top. The Jose comparison is lazy as Jose was burnt out when he joined us - I couldn’t see it so I hold my hands up to that - but Conte is very much at his peak.
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I don't think that Jose comparison is lazy. They share a lot of similarities and Conte is at the same age as Jose was when he joined United. I mean, Jose had won the PL more recently when he took over at United than Conte has.
As for Ten Hag, I'd hope that any move would involve VDS, which could be a big part in why we are/may be unable to bring him in right now.
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The age bit is irrelevant though. What Jose went through at Chelsea and Real aged him hugely from a managerial perspective. Conte hasn’t gone through any of those issues (or at least as severe as Jose).
I’d be much more confident about Ten Hag if we could bring in VDS. Fingers crossed it happens.
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The age thing is irrelevant to an extent. But it also shows how quickly a managers stock can fall if they don't adapt to the changing face of football. Conte is in that age bracket now where his approach could start to look dated. That said, so is Ten Hag.
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Ole is 14 years older than Naglesmann 😹
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Quite amazing that he is in charge at such a big club at 34!
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
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I know. But not much in it really.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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Jose is second 😎
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I know. But not much in it really.
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Closer to Moyes than Jose though
SAF - 59.67%
Jose - 58.33%
Ole - 54.88%
Moyes - 52.94%
posted on 8/11/21
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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That’s because the majority of our games in the second half of the season under him have been meaningless. Always easier to win when the pressure is off.
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Of course. With every other manager he have had before Ole we have been challenging for the title in the final few weeks of the season. Silly me. I forgot.
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When you factor in time served and apply that context to my point, yes.
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What?
posted on 8/11/21
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
posted on 8/11/21
Robb, I read an article not so long back that a manager lasts on average about 12 years at the very top after their first major trophy. Conte will be approaching the end of that peak now I would think?
Of course, he could do a Mumm-Ra Ferguson.
posted on 8/11/21
This board are making a mockery out of this club.
They're clinging on to Ole for dear life.
posted on 8/11/21
Ole has lost games with a margin higher than 2 goals a total of 15 times since he's been in charge. Jose 8 times, LVG and Moyes 5.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
posted on 8/11/21
*VDB struggling
posted on 8/11/21
Potter is the English Ten Hag and has proven it in a real league not just against a bunch of tulip farmers
posted on 8/11/21
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
posted on 8/11/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Rashford (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 2 minutes ago
Many said they didn't want Jose and gave their reasons, and a lot of those ended up being spot on. You gave your reasons why you assumed he'd be great and was wrong.
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He still ended up being our best post SAF coach which shows just how tough the job is.
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Did you know, Ole currently has the 3rd best win percentage of all United managers?
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And won nothing, sums him up.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
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I would love this to be true (even if it means Ole until the end of the season) but I just have too much doubt in the blokes running the show at the very top.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
If they get the right man next season then it will be worth waiting.
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I just get the feeling that we will go for Ten Hag and hopefully VDS. There has been lots of talk about us going for VDS in the past and he has spoken about the possibility of moving to United at some point. With VDS struggling and the way we are hanging on with Ole, it makes me feel that we want Ten Hag (and possibly VDS) but there is no feasible way of getting them until the summer.
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Something like that I reckon, especially with Woodward leaving, a clean sweep and appointing a team at the same time may be the way they are going.
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Yeh, I could be completely wrong, but that is the feeling I am getting. Pogba looks like he will be on the move, so VDB will perhaps get another chance under the next man. I find it hard to believe that the club have imposed the signing of VDB on Ole, but it does seem like he is a club signing. With our previous links to VDS and Ten Hag having worked with VDB, I just think that it all makes sense/fits. We aren't going to get them both in the middle of the season, as Ajax won't let them go and I think that players/managers from Ajax have a lot of loyalty and respect for the club and wouldn't bail in the middle of the season. We will see.
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I would love this to be true (even if it means Ole until the end of the season) but I just have too much doubt in the blokes running the show at the very top.
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I am just hoping that Fletcher is having some kind of guiding hand in this.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
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We would need an attacking RB as well as a CDM. A number of players need to be gotten rid of. Also, no new manager is playing 3 strikers like this one does—they'll play a striker plus 2 creative wide players.
posted on 8/11/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
people say utd do not have an identity under ole which is kind of incorrect.
with the players that he has signed you can see that there is a style ready made for someone to come in.... ole just hasnt been able to implement it
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Yes a counter-attacking style.
Do we want a counter-attacking manager?
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I don't think that the squad only lends itself to counter attacking football.
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It's the only style we've been decent at.
We have a slow defence, midfield that can't pass or dominate a game, and forwards with pace—that's counter-attacking all day long. Someone like Ten Hag will have some work to do to change that.
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A slow defence? Only Meguire of our first choice back 4 is slow. The midfield I agree with to an extent, but if Ten Hag does come in, I'd have to think that he would be making VDB one of his main men. And Bruno can pass. His pas completion isn't great because he does play a lot of long passes/through balls. But with a different approach involving quicker/shorter passing, I am sure that can change. We do still need a top DM though that can distribute.
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We would need an attacking RB as well as a CDM. A number of players need to be gotten rid of. Also, no new manager is playing 3 strikers like this one does—they'll play a striker plus 2 creative wide players.
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From what I have read, Ten Hag prefers a 433 formation. Assuming Cavani leave in the summer, that leaves Ronaldo as the middle man, with Mason as backup/getting games on the right. Then we have Martial (may leave), Rashford, Sancho, Diallo and perhaps Pellisti vying for the wide positions. Perhaps Elanga also.
Irrespective of who takes over, we need a top CDM and perhaps a RB is AWB can't improve his attacking play. I just think that the squad is better geared up to a Ten Hag type manager than a Conte.
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