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comment by It's Champion's League Final day (U22023)
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The thing that worries me most about Sturgeon is the dead eyes. Lots of women in politics have these dead eyes. Angry as hell, seem to dislike men. All there for "rights". Capisce?
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Ah..the famous scouse 'sense of humour'
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Ah yes, like when they pretend they’re happy and settled just to mug off tens of thousands of fat vvanks.
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Yes. Like that

Vaccine passports are without doubt the most pointless requirement in modern history and literally serve as a purpose to discriminate and nothing more. Bill facking Gates himself has admitted that the vaccine does not prevent the transmission of covid19. How governments are getting away with ostracising and discriminating those who have not been jabbed is outrageous. You would swear the N@zis were back in charge of Germany and Austria with the restrictions being put in place there.

comment by Invisible Auba (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
Vaccine passports are without doubt the most pointless requirement in modern history and literally serve as a purpose to discriminate and nothing more. Bill facking Gates himself has admitted that the vaccine does not prevent the transmission of covid19. How governments are getting away with ostracising and discriminating those who have not been jabbed is outrageous. You would swear the N@zis were back in charge of Germany and Austria with the restrictions being put in place there.
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I fear this may be a bit extreme

Now the government s may be wrong, who knows

But if they are then the action is for the right reasons even IF misguided

But how is it for the right reason when taking the jab does not prevent the spread? If somebody wants to gamble on their immune system being strong enough to beat the virus then let them.

In Ireland, that little weasel Leo Vradkar went on live television and blamed the 5% of the adult population yet to be vaccinated for the high cases in this country. The utter scuuuumbag. We have a 94% vaccination rate here and are averaging 4,500 new cases a day. This time last year the average was 350 a day when 0% of the population was jabbed. It’s a disgrace.

And for the record I was double jabbed in August.

comment by Invisible Auba (U18355)
posted 7 minutes ago
But how is it for the right reason when taking the jab does not prevent the spread? If somebody wants to gamble on their immune system being strong enough to beat the virus then let them.

In Ireland, that little weasel Leo Vradkar went on live television and blamed the 5% of the adult population yet to be vaccinated for the high cases in this country. The utter scuuuumbag. We have a 94% vaccination rate here and are averaging 4,500 new cases a day. This time last year the average was 350 a day when 0% of the population was jabbed. It’s a disgrace.

And for the record I was double jabbed in August.
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Because they think it reduces severity

As said it might not

But don't pretend they are doing it for any other reason than they think it helps

‘Bill facking Gates himself has admitted that the vaccine does not prevent the transmission of covid19.’

If I wanted to discuss the efficacy of a vaccine, who do I think would be best to answer that?!

In fact, probably the answer to a lot of modern day questions is the same.

Bill facking Gates.

If the conspiracy theorists really want to GIRFUY the gov then they should all get jabbed so they can then turn round and tell the gov the transmission is nothing to do with vaccination. Unfortunately of course that has other consequences so maybe they haven't thought this through?

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 hours, 50 minutes ago
If the conspiracy theorists really want to GIRFUY the gov then they should all get jabbed so they can then turn round and tell the gov the transmission is nothing to do with vaccination. Unfortunately of course that has other consequences so maybe they haven't thought this through?
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I’m maybe just up to early with a hangover and missing the point but removing the big bad overlord, the studies which say there’s effectively no difference in transmission, and the high case rates in 90% Ireland vaxxed aren’t conspiracy theories

At least we all get good 5G reception now though

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
If the conspiracy theorists really want to GIRFUY the gov then they should all get jabbed so they can then turn round and tell the gov the transmission is nothing to do with vaccination. Unfortunately of course that has other consequences so maybe they haven't thought this through?
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Not sure what conspiracy you think anyone may be referring to but as already stated 95% of the Irish population aged 12 or higher have been double jabbed and our infection rates have gone parabolic. There is literally zero debate anymore whether or not the vaccine reduces transmission of the disease. All the facts and figures show that it does not.

With that in mind, what exactly is the point of a vaccine passport?

Also I know they are a tiny country but the same is happening in Gibraltar where supposedly enough 2nd jabs have been administered to fully vaccinate 140% of the countries population.

comment by Invisible Auba (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
If the conspiracy theorists really want to GIRFUY the gov then they should all get jabbed so they can then turn round and tell the gov the transmission is nothing to do with vaccination. Unfortunately of course that has other consequences so maybe they haven't thought this through?
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Not sure what conspiracy you think anyone may be referring to but as already stated 95% of the Irish population aged 12 or higher have been double jabbed and our infection rates have gone parabolic. There is literally zero debate anymore whether or not the vaccine reduces transmission of the disease. All the facts and figures show that it does not.

With that in mind, what exactly is the point of a vaccine passport?
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Bollix.

No science has ever claimed vaccination ‘STOPS’ transmission, only that it is wholly logical that vaccination reduces infection severity / viral load which, by definition ‘MUST’ reduce transmission.

What you are unable to say, because there’s no turning the clock back, is what any country’s position would be if people were behaving as they are now with no vaccination. The only data we have is pre-lockdown data and we know that hospitalisations we’re growing so exponentially that a lockdown was imposed so health services were under threat.

Messaging from governments has not changed i.e. this has not gone away, keep following best practices. What is disappointing is disingenuous messaging as to ‘WHY’ they want everyone vaccinated i.e. to reduce those hospitalised or worse.

I said months ago on here there was a flip down side to vaccination which was potentially lower viral loads and more asymptomatic spreaders. Is this where we are? No idea.

That was the logic, but for delta variant it’s been clearly shown that viral loads in unvaccinated and vaccinated are same.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 seconds ago
That was the logic, but for delta variant it’s been clearly shown that viral loads in unvaccinated and vaccinated are same.
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Link

Silver, nobody ever said the vaccine would stop transmission but it was said many times in the past that it would reduce transmission.

This has proven to not be the case, and like that’s fair enough. It’s a new mutating disease and it would be unreasonable to hold anyone to account for that.

But in light of the clear evidence that the vaccine does not reduce transmission, there isn’t any real reason to force people to take it. If people want to gamble on their immune system then let them. Your point on hospitals being overwhelmed would hold some ground if the vast majority of covid patients weren’t double jabbed. On Thursday, there were 45 covid deaths, all 45 had been jabbed at least once and 41 jabbed twice. The people who aren’t taking the jab for the most part are young and healthy and won’t even know they have the virus if they get it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58257863.amp

From a quick google of bbc stories this pretty much says my point, this study echoes previous studies. There’s another more recent one bbc reported couple weeks back too

Not sure why folk are offended at thought that vaccines don’t reduce transmission - they still work at greatly reducing severe illness which is what matters for those at risk.

I think we can all agree that the vaccine is pretty pash

Probably making a bit if a difference mind you though the guy in the street might have expected more

Not the experts Though, they are so vague they can never be wrong

It has reduced deaths and symptom severity which is the most important thing.

But trying to vilify those who don’t take it and blaming them for high cases is basically slander. I just don’t understand how governments are getting away with it.

The evidence does appear to lean heavily towards rates of transmission not being affected either way between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

What the vaccine does clearly seem to do is reduce levels of illness, hospitalisations and deaths and in that sense does what it was meant to do in reducing strain on the NHS and care systems. It doesn’t eradicate it though.

People have the simple choice really of whether to protect themselves or run the risk of what might happen if they don’t and then catch the virus.

We will reach here immunity and yes there may be more and worse variants to appear.

Vaccine passports are meaningless in all of this in terms of transmission and it’s not a case of people being “selfish” in choosing not to be vaccinated. That ridiculous notion needs binning. The evidence points clearly to anyone being at much at risk of catching the virus from someone else whether vaccinated or not.

The alternatives are getting on with life or we all stay away from each other with zero interaction at spaces of 1m or less.

Education on the risk of illness and potential death from not being vaccinated is key and I see us all having to have “top up” boosters for years yet.

Politicians greetin on tv
Scientists getting great plaudits

Yet thousands still die each week
Thousands still catch it
Thousands still going to hospital

The effectiveness of the vaccine , give a vague number,
But looks pretty ineffective to me

But sure a statistical guy can always get the answer he wants

And broadly the stats don't look much better than a year ago And trending up
happy to be corrected given I just scanned

And here we are looking at possible lock down

Mind you lots of reasons for this I'm sure

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
And broadly the stats don't look much better than a year ago And trending up
happy to be corrected given I just scanned

And here we are looking at possible lock down

Mind you lots of reasons for this I'm sure




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Case wise I agree I don’t think they reduce transmission.

But hospitalisations are clearly down, when we’ve had as high case numbers as last year if not higher, with less restrictions

Just google UK COVID hospitalisation

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 6 minutes ago
Politicians greetin on tv
Scientists getting great plaudits

Yet thousands still die each week
Thousands still catch it
Thousands still going to hospital

The effectiveness of the vaccine , give a vague number,
But looks pretty ineffective to me

But sure a statistical guy can always get the answer he wants

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This is the worst part. Politicians and scientists can go on TV and slander a nation and get applauded for doing it. Leo Vradkar’s CNN interview has been widely greeted with public appraisal here in Ireland. They are literally trying to turn the public on one another and force those unvaccinated into taking it, while simultaneously maintaining the line that you have a choice whether to do it or not.

There isn’t a voice for those who don’t want the jab and anybody with legitimate reasons for not taking it will only be labelled a far right Trump sympathising 5G conspirator. I have no doubt that as this drags out, people will be assaulted or worse for not taking the jab.

A year ago people were called paranoid right wing for conspirators for saying that governments would drop covid passports on us and now the same people will call you paranoid right wing conspirators for trashing covid passports. People have been brainwashed.

Btw my above comment doesn’t refer to anyone on this thread

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
And broadly the stats don't look much better than a year ago And trending up
happy to be corrected given I just scanned

And here we are looking at possible lock down

Mind you lots of reasons for this I'm sure




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Case wise I agree I don’t think they reduce transmission.

But hospitalisations are clearly down, when we’ve had as high case numbers as last year if not higher, with less restrictions

Just google UK COVID hospitalisation
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I'm looking at them

Not that long ago we had zero deaths probably in lock down yet 19 yesterday
Similar with hospitals

1200 in hospital last year November
Near 800 now and rising